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On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. |
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o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. |
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On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. SteveW |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. |
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On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. That's why I said "Aethiest with a broadly Christian background." The overall culture of the country has been shaped over hundreds of years by Christianity and despite the country becoming less religious, those who have no belief are still shaped greatly by that history and to a great extent, form a common culture. SteveW |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. That's why I said "Aethiest with a broadly Christian background." The overall culture of the country has been shaped over hundreds of years by Christianity Thats very arguable. and despite the country becoming less religious, Its far from clear how religious it once was. those who have no belief are still shaped greatly by that history and to a great extent, form a common culture. That last is very arguable indeed. |
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On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote:
Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote
Rod Speed wrote Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those dont matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly dont usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. |
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On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. It all matters, given circumstances. If an extra-terrestrial threat actually did occur, all religious and ethnic barriers would come down in an attempt to jointly overcome the threat. Of course, every faction would attempt to ensure priority of self in the long term. |
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On 6/20/2017 10:30 PM, Richard wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. I refer you to the classic scene in "Shaft" between Richard Rowntree and Charles Cioffi |
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On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote:
Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. Jim |
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"Richard" wrote in message news "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. It all matters, given circumstances. Nope. If an extra-terrestrial threat actually did occur, Not a chance. The speed of light means that it aint gunna happen. all religious and ethnic barriers would come down in an attempt to jointly overcome the threat. Even sillier than you usually manage, particularly if the aliens show up with bunches of flowers and start handing out gold bars etc. Of course, every faction would attempt to ensure priority of self in the long term. Completely off with the ****ing fairys, as always. No surprise that everyone calls it a dick. |
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Bill Wright wrote: On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote: Religion doesn‘t matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Spiritual is generally accepted as simply believing there is some higher power than man. Not necessarily any one of the accepted gods. -- *You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Indy Jess John" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote: Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. That's nothing Jimmy boy. They were interviewing a head teacher from a school in north London the other night - not far from Grenfell - and in her school they speak 180(!!) different langauges. Now I would guess that some will be different dialects of the same language as there are only 196 countries in the world! -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com |
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On 21/06/2017 04:46, Rod Speed wrote:
Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those dont matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly dont usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. They are a practical philosophy. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Bill |
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o.uk... On 6/20/2017 10:30 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. I refer you to the classic scene in "Shaft" between Richard Rowntree and Charles Cioffi Shaft. Was that a documentary about London? |
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Bill Wright wrote: On 21/06/2017 04:46, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote Religion doesn‘t matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those don‘t matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly don‘t usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. They are a practical philosophy. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Not Natural Philosophy, then? -- *Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 23:33:35 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. That's why I said "Aethiest with a broadly Christian background." The overall culture of the country has been shaped over hundreds of years by Christianity and despite the country becoming less religious, those who have no belief are still shaped greatly by that history and to a great extent, form a common culture. SteveW I agree and part of this problem of race is because the culture is seen to be changing and perhaps changing too fast for those that are in the areas that are changing. |
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On 21/06/2017 12:52, Woody wrote:
"Indy Jess John" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote: Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. That's nothing Jimmy boy. They were interviewing a head teacher from a school in north London the other night - not far from Grenfell - and in her school they speak 180(!!) different langauges. Now I would guess that some will be different dialects of the same language as there are only 196 countries in the world! Friends insisted on sending their daughter to a local catholic primary school - quite far from their house (yet the nearest such school) - in the middle of a neighbourhood where many asylum seekers (economic migrants to you and me) were housed. She was the only white face in the class, and there were 9 different languages spoken amongst the 22 children in her class + they had 5 permanent teaching assistants/translators in the first few years. Needless to say that they moved her to a school far away for her secondary education. |
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On Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:04:12 UTC+1, JoeJoe wrote:
On 21/06/2017 12:52, Woody wrote: "Indy Jess John" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote: Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. That's nothing Jimmy boy. They were interviewing a head teacher from a school in north London the other night - not far from Grenfell - and in her school they speak 180(!!) different langauges. Now I would guess that some will be different dialects of the same language as there are only 196 countries in the world! Friends insisted on sending their daughter to a local catholic primary school - quite far from their house (yet the nearest such school) - in the middle of a neighbourhood where many asylum seekers (economic migrants to you and me) were housed. She was the only white face in the class, and there were 9 different languages spoken amongst the 22 children in her class + they had 5 permanent teaching assistants/translators in the first few years. They did a similar study in a local school and they found 30 langauges. https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/con...-about-borough Languages spoken in the borough About one in four residents aged three and over (26 per cent) do not speak English as their main language compared to 8 per cent nationally (2011 Census). One thing they can't really measure is the number of illegal immigrants. |
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In article , Bill Wright wrote: On 20/06/2017 23:10, Rod Speed wrote: Religion doesn€˜t matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Spiritual is generally accepted as simply believing there is some higher power than man. Not necessarily any one of the accepted gods. Ridiculous, man is the supreme being! |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:30:44 +0100, "Richard"
wrote: "newshound" wrote in message news:_4OdnaHq35B4EdTEnZ2dnUU78YnNnZ2d@brightview. co.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. No, It's Orange. |
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"Mark" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:30:44 +0100, "Richard" wrote: "newshound" wrote in message news:_4OdnaHq35B4EdTEnZ2dnUU78YnNnZ2d@brightview .co.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. No, It's Orange. I doubt that Trump will ever get elected here, BICBW. |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 12:54:28 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote: On 21/06/2017 04:46, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those dont matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly dont usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. They are a practical philosophy. Maybe you need such a philosophy. The point is that you don't kill people for not believing in your "silly ****" or "philosophy". |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:06:29 +0100, "Richard"
wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. It all matters, given circumstances. If an extra-terrestrial threat actually did occur, all religious and ethnic barriers would come down in an attempt to jointly overcome the threat. Of course, every faction would attempt to ensure priority of self in the long term. Ain't gonna happen. The probability that an alien specious that exists now, and lives close enough to travel to the Earth is negligable. |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:04:02 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:
On 21/06/2017 12:52, Woody wrote: "Indy Jess John" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote: Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. That's nothing Jimmy boy. They were interviewing a head teacher from a school in north London the other night - not far from Grenfell - and in her school they speak 180(!!) different langauges. Now I would guess that some will be different dialects of the same language as there are only 196 countries in the world! Friends insisted on sending their daughter to a local catholic primary school - quite far from their house (yet the nearest such school) - in the middle of a neighbourhood where many asylum seekers (economic migrants to you and me) were housed. She was the only white face in the class, and there were 9 different languages spoken amongst the 22 children in her class + they had 5 permanent teaching assistants/translators in the first few years. What a great educational experience to learn so many languages. This should benefit her for life. Needless to say that they moved her to a school far away for her secondary education. Why? |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:06:29 +0100, "Richard" wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. It all matters, given circumstances. If an extra-terrestrial threat actually did occur, all religious and ethnic barriers would come down in an attempt to jointly overcome the threat. Of course, every faction would attempt to ensure priority of self in the long term. Ain't gonna happen. The probability that an alien specious that exists now, and lives close enough to travel to the Earth is negligable. So, having ruled out the common enemy of mankind we will continue as we have done for millennia. Islam is the religion allegedly followed by the enemies of my culture. It is that threat which I and others face. YMMV. |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:04:02 +0100, JoeJoe wrote: On 21/06/2017 12:52, Woody wrote: "Indy Jess John" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2017 22:00, newshound wrote: Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. I know someone who works in an East London school. There are 37 different mother tongues where English is a second language; and just over 30% of the pupils are children of somebody born in the UK. That's nothing Jimmy boy. They were interviewing a head teacher from a school in north London the other night - not far from Grenfell - and in her school they speak 180(!!) different langauges. Now I would guess that some will be different dialects of the same language as there are only 196 countries in the world! Friends insisted on sending their daughter to a local catholic primary school - quite far from their house (yet the nearest such school) - in the middle of a neighbourhood where many asylum seekers (economic migrants to you and me) were housed. She was the only white face in the class, and there were 9 different languages spoken amongst the 22 children in her class + they had 5 permanent teaching assistants/translators in the first few years. What a great educational experience to learn so many languages. This should benefit her for life. Needless to say that they moved her to a school far away for her secondary education. Why? How multicultural is your immediate environment and how integrated are you? |
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Rod Speed wrote Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those dont matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly dont usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, dont need a mental crutch. |
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On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote:
My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, dont need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. Bill |
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On 21/06/2017 17:25, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 12:54:28 +0100, Bill Wright wrote: On 21/06/2017 04:46, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote Religion doesnt matter much when so few are religious anymore. Many more are spiritual than religious. Sure, but those dont matter so much because they mostly just believe in some silly **** and hardly ever try to convince anyone else about the silly **** they believe in and certainly dont usually kill others who believe in some other silly ****. My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. They are a practical philosophy. Maybe you need such a philosophy. The point is that you don't kill people for not believing in your "silly ****" or "philosophy". You've exposed your own gross generalisation. Bill |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote: My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, dont need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality |
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Mark wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:06:29 +0100, "Richard" wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 20/06/2017 22:30, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 3:37 PM, Richard wrote: "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 6/19/2017 11:52 AM, Bill Wright wrote: This morning we are given the news that someone has driven a van into a crowd of people outside a Mosque, killing one and injuring many. For some time now I've feared that the UK is heading for a period of sectarian warfare, similar in some ways to the situation that prevailed in Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s. The lesson of history is that when two identifiable communities share the same land there's a good chance of strife. The reasons are a mystery but it could be that the innate tribalism of the species is at least partly responsible. In the case of Northern Ireland the cultural differences between the communities were small; but in the case of the UK now the cultural differences are very large, with one community happily accepting behaviours that the other one condemns. The troubles of the 60s started when a few people on one side started a series of relatively small attacks on the other side. You might want to categorise those people as 'hotheads' or 'psychopaths' or 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters'. Take your pick; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the other side retaliated. Then the whole thing escalated until there were large scale indiscriminate attacks. In the UK at present the Muslim community is about 3% of the total. The demographics show that the figure will rise to something between 20 and 40% during the next fifty years. If the (tiny) proportion of all UK Muslims who are waging war on the rest of society remains the same then there will be more and more attacks. It seems certain that a (tiny) proportion of the indigenous population will retaliate. I fear that we might be approaching a very unhappy period of our nation's history. Bill Don't believe your demographics figure. I bet it comes from a very dubious source. Well, I did a quick search for you and made sure that no "right wing" source was being quoted. This paints a (depressing, from my point of view) picture which may help you and it's quite old: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world Quote from this article (2000) In Britain, that is almost certain to happen in London, and in the relatively near future. 'At the moment ethnic minorities are about 40 per cent in London. The demographics show that white people in London will become a minority by 2010,' said Jasper. Here we are in 2017, I have heard a figure that claims the current London figure is about one third, but I rather doubt that this applies all the way out to the M25. OK https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/2...on-projections But the future is not white. Whether it is white or not matters much less than whether it is Christian or Aethiest with a broadly Christian background or another religion. Colour is of much less importance than culture. It all matters, given circumstances. If an extra-terrestrial threat actually did occur, all religious and ethnic barriers would come down in an attempt to jointly overcome the threat. Of course, every faction would attempt to ensure priority of self in the long term. Ain't gonna happen. The probability that an alien specious that exists now, and lives close enough to travel to the Earth is negligable. No, fairies exist. I just know it! |
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On 21/06/2017 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality which says, "There is no single, widely agreed definition of spirituality." Bill |
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On 21/06/2017 21:52, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote: My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, dont need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Spiritual people seem to be well adjusted. Ones that poo-hoo spirituality seem to have a chip on their should and become abusive to those around them. |
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"Fredxxx" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 21:52, Rod Speed wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote: My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, don't need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Spiritual people seem to be well adjusted. Ones that poo-hoo spirituality seem to have a chip on their should and become abusive to those around them. Ohhh, you mean like bigot Dave? |
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On 22/06/2017 02:15, bm wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 21:52, Rod Speed wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote: My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, don't need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Spiritual people seem to be well adjusted. Ones that poo-hoo spirituality seem to have a chip on their should and become abusive to those around them. Ohhh, you mean like bigot Dave? No, I don't see 'Dave' being abusive to others like Wodney? |
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"Fredxxx" wrote in message news On 22/06/2017 02:15, bm wrote: "Fredxxx" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 21:52, Rod Speed wrote: "Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 21/06/2017 20:57, Rod Speed wrote: My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, don't need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Spiritual people seem to be well adjusted. Ones that poo-hoo spirituality seem to have a chip on their should and become abusive to those around them. Ohhh, you mean like bigot Dave? No, I don't see 'Dave' being abusive to others like Wodney? And that excludes him from being a bigot? He must be the most extreme bigot on the planet. We all know that, why don't you? |
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Rod Speed wrote I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality which says, "There is no single, widely agreed definition of spirituality." So your original 'thought' is just plain wrong. And it goes on to say that its basically just mindless silly ****, as I originally said. |
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Fredxxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote Bill Wright wrote Rod Speed wrote My spiritual beliefs aren't silly ****. All spiritual beliefs are mindless silly ****. There are no gods. We evolved from pond slime. It really is that simple. They are a practical philosophy. Nope, just crutches for pathetically inadequate 'minds' that just can't accept that there is no purpose for life, we are born, we do various things and we all die. Maybe you need such a philosophy. Nope, dont need a mental crutch. I think you're confusing 'spiritual' with 'supernatural'. You're wrong. Try a dictionary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Spiritual people seem to be well adjusted. Mindlessly silly with those that need such an obvious crutch for their pathetically inadequate 'minds' |
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