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Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice quote Britain and Europe lock horns over 'Brexit bill' on day one of talks [...] Mr Davis denied that the UK government had caved in to EU demands to settle money and citizens' rights before talking trade terms, even though these will now not be discussed until October at the very earliest. [...] It did not take long for the mask to slip, however, with Mr Barnier striking an exasperated tone at the end of a long day's talks, when asked if the EU has made any significant concessions to the British - given that the UK had agree to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ /quote Basically the position is this. Prior to these "negotiations" Davis and others were insisting that talks on trade and citizenship would not be conditional on the UK first having to agree on the amount the UK would be required to pay in order to leave the UK. Never mind questioning its legality. The UK would be setting the agenda. Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. To repeat (from the Telegraph) " given that the UK had agree [d] to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks" "Agreed to demands". If this is Davis's "tough" negotiating stance one wonders what he's like on an off day. michael adams .... |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams"
wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) |
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Mark wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) They'll all deny it though. Never quite sure why so many right wingers seem to be ashamed of their organs. ;-) -- *42.7% of statistics are made up. Sorry, that should read 47.2% * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. So, which do you read, Mark? |
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On 20/06/17 15:08, Richard wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. So, which do you read, Mark? Guardian writes can spell but they cant think -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news Guardian writes can spell but they cant think Now if only everything else you posted on this NewsGroup, made as much sense as that does ! You're wasted on here. Have you tried Twitter ? michael adams .... |
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"michael adams" Wrote in message:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news Guardian writes can spell but they cant think Now if only everything else you posted on this NewsGroup, made as much sense as that does ! You're wasted on here. Have you tried Twitter ? michael adams ... Spelt "****ter"... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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michael adams wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news Guardian writes can spell but they cant think Now if only everything else you posted on this NewsGroup, made as much sense as that does ! You're wasted on here. Have you tried Twitter ? Ever wonder why it is called the Grauniad? Because it was notorious for spooling miktases -- *On the other hand, you have different fingers* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:08:48 +0100, "Richard"
wrote: "Mark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. How many marks do I lose, teacher? |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:08:48 +0100, "Richard" wrote: "Mark" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. How many marks do I lose, teacher? It would be unfair to take one from you, we'd have to call you blemish. |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:51:58 +0100, "Richard"
wrote: "Mark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:08:48 +0100, "Richard" wrote: "Mark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. How many marks do I lose, teacher? It would be unfair to take one from you, we'd have to call you blemish. Your ignorance is apparent. |
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 3:08:52 PM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) Indeed. The literacy standards are poor. Some struggle with simple spellings. Perchance they attempt to feign superior intellectual abilities, they blast the **** out of their foot by being unable to correctly spell "peruse". However, the observation about words exceeding single syllable complexity is proven to be totally accurate in the aforementioned example. So, which do you read, Mark? I wouldn't assume spelling mistakes are down to ignorance. Could be bad typing (thats me) or a mis-used spell checker Its the malapropisms I enjoy |
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 12:57:54 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". The more intellectual may puruse the Mail, but they do struggle with words of more than one syllable. ;-) or paragrahs of mor than one sentence |
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Tim Streater wrote: In article , Mark wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". Some people here suffer from proof-by-assertion syndrome. So they assert what the NG's paper of choice is, and others are fool enough to believe it. Generally, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... -- *Marriage changes passion - suddenly you're in bed with a relative* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... In article , Tim Streater wrote: In article , Mark wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". Some people here suffer from proof-by-assertion syndrome. So they assert what the NG's paper of choice is, and others are fool enough to believe it. Generally, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... .... it has way more sense than Plowman. |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Mark wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice I thought this NGs newspaper of choice was "The Sun" or "The Express". Some people here suffer from proof-by-assertion syndrome. Which very neatly sums up the position taken by David Davis and any other member of the Govt when asked about the forthcoming EU negotiations. "This is going to happen, and then that is going to happen......" And then on day one, all that SAS training, and pep talks from Teresa seem to have come to naught. Oh dear ! No answers to the substantive point of course, as is only to be expected. michael adams .... |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:38:43 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
Some people here suffer from proof-by-assertion syndrome. So they assert what the NG's paper of choice is, and others are fool enough to believe it. I'm proud to say I haven't read *any* newspaper for decades. What a waste of ****ing time they are! |
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On 20/06/2017 12:22, michael adams wrote:
Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice quote Britain and Europe lock horns over 'Brexit bill' on day one of talks [...] Mr Davis denied that the UK government had caved in to EU demands to settle money and citizens' rights before talking trade terms, even though these will now not be discussed until October at the very earliest. [...] It did not take long for the mask to slip, however, with Mr Barnier striking an exasperated tone at the end of a long day's talks, when asked if the EU has made any significant concessions to the British - given that the UK had agree to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ /quote Basically the position is this. Prior to these "negotiations" Davis and others were insisting that talks on trade and citizenship would not be conditional on the UK first having to agree on the amount the UK would be required to pay in order to leave the UK. Never mind questioning its legality. The UK would be setting the agenda. Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. To repeat (from the Telegraph) " given that the UK had agree [d] to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks" "Agreed to demands". If this is Davis's "tough" negotiating stance one wonders what he's like on an off day. michael adams ... What else can he do, we were stupid enough to say leave and they have all the cards. The truth is that the UK is far worse off out of the EU than the EU is without the UK whatever the brexit****ters claim. Just look at the brexit****ters claims that all the EU countries were just dying to vote to leave and what happened in France. |
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On 20/06/2017 12:22, michael adams wrote: Though nobody would have guessed it, formal Brexit negotiations started yesterday. With an immediate climb-down by David Davis. All from the Telegraph, this NG's newspaper of choice quote Britain and Europe lock horns over 'Brexit bill' on day one of talks [...] Mr Davis denied that the UK government had caved in to EU demands to settle money and citizens' rights before talking trade terms, even though these will now not be discussed until October at the very earliest. [...] It did not take long for the mask to slip, however, with Mr Barnier striking an exasperated tone at the end of a long day's talks, when asked if the EU has made any significant concessions to the British - given that the UK had agree to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ /quote Basically the position is this. Prior to these "negotiations" Davis and others were insisting that talks on trade and citizenship would not be conditional on the UK first having to agree on the amount the UK would be required to pay in order to leave the UK. Never mind questioning its legality. The UK would be setting the agenda. Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. To repeat (from the Telegraph) " given that the UK had agree [d] to all the EU's demands over the schedule for the talks" "Agreed to demands". If this is Davis's "tough" negotiating stance one wonders what he's like on an off day. michael adams ... What else can he do, we were stupid enough to say leave and they have all the cards. The truth is that the UK is far worse off out of the EU than the EU is without the UK whatever the brexit****ters claim. Just look at the brexit****ters claims that all the EU countries were just dying to vote to leave and what happened in France. I love Remoaning propaganda! |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:10:39 +0100, Capitol wrote:
I love Remoaning propaganda! Yeah, those good old Remoanists, you can't keep 'em down. ;-) If they - the EU mafia - get a whiff of weakness from our side then at the end of this process we'll be up to our armpits in all that criminal riff-raff now building up in Calaise again. We'll never be able to walk our steets again in safety if they cave in on immigration. I don't believe they will; just sayin', that's all. |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:03:43 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
What else can he do, we were stupid enough to say leave and they have all the cards. WTF??? ROTFLMAO!!!! The truth is that the UK is far worse off out of the EU than the EU is without the UK whatever the brexit****ters claim. You've been spending too much time listening to the BBC, mate. :-D Just look at the brexit****ters claims that all the EU countries were just dying to vote to leave and what happened in France. Who cares? The really important deal at this precise moment is the talks between the CP and the UDP. Looks like they may well flounder. If they do break up and the reason turns out to be something daft like over gay weddings or something, I don't think *true* Conservatives, wherever they may be, will *ever* forgive the Party for it. Ever! |
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"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:03:43 +0100, dennis@home wrote: What else can he do, we were stupid enough to say leave and they have all the cards. WTF??? ROTFLMAO!!!! The truth is that the UK is far worse off out of the EU than the EU is without the UK whatever the brexit****ters claim. You've been spending too much time listening to the BBC, mate. :-D Just look at the brexit****ters claims that all the EU countries were just dying to vote to leave and what happened in France. Who cares? The really important deal at this precise moment is the talks between the CP and the UDP. Looks like they may well flounder. If they do break up and the reason turns out to be something daft like over gay weddings or something, Not only that. At the moment the Northern Ireland Assembly is suspended because the two main parties the DUP and Sinn Fein can't agree. One bone of contention is the role of the DUP leader Arlene Foster in the "Cash for Ash" scandal. Anywhere but in N.I and she would have had no choice, but to resign. According to the GFA when the NI Assembly is suspended for whatever reason then there's direct rule from Westminster by whatever Govt is in power, However if the DUP is part of that Govt then Direct Rule by that Govt can no longer seen to be impartial and in accordance with either the spirit or the letter of the GFA michael adams .... |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, michael adams wrote:
Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. Nothink to worry about. All they've done is agree to fix the "leaving fee" til later; that's all. That then leaves it open at the end of the 2 years to offer them some derisory sum just to let the EU save face. IMO, however, that "sum" - nominal one pound would suffice - should be passing from them to us, since we run a trade deficit with them. Essentially we're holding all the cards and no one has caved in on anything. |
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"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, michael adams wrote: Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. Nothink to worry about. All they've done is agree to fix the "leaving fee" til later; that's all. Precisely the opposite, I'm afraid. That's the whole point quote The question of the UK financial settlement, along with an agreement on the rights of expats on both sides of the Channel will be the first two items that will be settled in the talks, which will begin in earnest next month. /quote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. michael adams .... |
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adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. -- Bill |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Hardly. This has been on the cards, since before the referendum. According to them, us leaving will cost them 10 billion per annum. Which without looking it up, may well correspond with the figure many were suggesring as the amount the UK would save per year, by leaving. Then they're further claiming that its going to take them a good 10 years to get over the initial shock. Basically if they hired a good divorce lawyer to argue their case they might even get it up to 30 years. With the UK paying their costs, on top. michael adams .... |
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"michael adams" wrote in message o.uk... "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Hardly. This has been on the cards, since before the referendum. Nope. According to them, us leaving will cost them 10 billion per annum. Which without looking it up, may well correspond with the figure many were suggesring as the amount the UK would save per year, by leaving. And the EU gets to like that or lump it. They have no capacity what so ever to say that Britain doesn’t get to leave unless they continue to pay that. Then they're further claiming that its going to take them a good 10 years to get over the initial shock. That’s likely correct, and they get to like that or lump that too. Basically if they hired a good divorce lawyer to argue their case they might even get it up to 30 years. With the UK paying their costs, on top. Leaving the EU doesn’t work like that. Once Article 50 has been triggered, and it has already, there are 2 years for negotiations and even no agreement is reached in that time Britain leaves and the EU gets to like that or lump it. Nothing even remotely like a divorce, legally. There isnt even a decision on who gets what assets wise with Article 50. |
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adams writes "Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Hardly. This has been on the cards, since before the referendum. According to them, us leaving will cost them 10 billion per annum. Which without looking it up, may well correspond with the figure many were suggesring as the amount the UK would save per year, by leaving. Then they're further claiming that its going to take them a good 10 years to get over the initial shock. Basically if they hired a good divorce lawyer to argue their case they might even get it up to 30 years. With the UK paying their costs, on top. michael adams ... This is not a divorce, it's the rescinding of treaties. Suggest you go and look up the appropriate treaties on the rescinding of treaties. -- bert |
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On 20/06/17 20:35, michael adams wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Hardly. This has been on the cards, since before the referendum. According to them, us leaving will cost them 10 billion per annum. Which without looking it up, may well correspond with the figure many were suggesring as the amount the UK would save per year, by leaving. Then they're further claiming that its going to take them a good 10 years to get over the initial shock. Basically if they hired a good divorce lawyer to argue their case they might even get it up to 30 years. With the UK paying their costs, on top. michael adams ... The idiocy you espouse seems to be based on some weird assumption that we will be subject to EU law once we leave the EU. WE just promise to pay, repeal the act as soon as we have left and stick two fingers in the air. This is realpolitik micheal, I know its hard for your little remoaner brain to grasp, but there are no rules at this level. No one except maybe a US air strike can enforce anything, and no legal arrangement is binding unless we let it be, between two entities that are sovereign. We cant force the EU to do anything and they cant force us, either. That's why its a negotiation and there may be an agreement. It still will not be legally binding because there is no organisation superior to the EU and Britain to make it so.. Politically it is a treaty between equals. If the EU wants to play 'we still own you and you are subject to our laws' then they can just **** off and take the rather bad consequences. -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Hardly. This has been on the cards, since before the referendum. According to them, us leaving will cost them 10 billion per annum. Which without looking it up, may well correspond with the figure many were suggesring as the amount the UK would save per year, by leaving. Then they're further claiming that its going to take them a good 10 years to get over the initial shock. Basically if they hired a good divorce lawyer to argue their case they might even get it up to 30 years. With the UK paying their costs, on top. michael adams ... Look at history, treaties are made to be broken! |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? Nope, that unless Britain agrees to pay some as yet unspecified exit fee, there will be no negotiation on anything else except the rights of EU citizens already in Britain. And Davis has just said that there is no legal basis for any exit fee and May will be announcing what legal rights EU citizens will have in Britain after it has left next week. Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. Having fun thrashing that straw man ? |
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On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:14:30 UTC+1, Bill wrote:
In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? But the 100 billion was just a down payment wasn;t it. They are just like any other blackmailer. Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. I'd chage them rent on the EU buildings we helped to pay for. 100 Billion a day excluding VAT of course. If they don't like it what will they do knock them down ? |
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whisky-dave wrote: On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:14:30 UTC+1, Bill wrote: In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? But the 100 billion was just a down payment wasn;t it. They are just like any other blackmailer. We were the country which flounced out of the EU without checking on what it might cost first. If the EU can calculate any monies owed after we leave, so can we and query them if inaccurate. Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. I'd chage them rent on the EU buildings we helped to pay for. Excellent. But not pay for the running costs? 100 Billion a day excluding VAT of course. If they don't like it what will they do knock them down ? Because you 'helped pay' for something doesn't mean you own the whole thing. -- *I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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in 1601997 20170621 133107 whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:14:30 UTC+1, Bill wrote: In message , michael adams writes Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. So the EU position is "Pay us 100 billion or you have to stay in our cartel (club or whatever)"? But the 100 billion was just a down payment wasn;t it. They are just like any other blackmailer. Any sane person would treat this as a wind up or insanity. I'd chage them rent on the EU buildings we helped to pay for. Can I charge rent on all the UK buildings that my taxes have helped pay for? 100 Billion a day excluding VAT of course. If they don't like it what will they do knock them down ? |
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"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, michael adams wrote: Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. Nothink to worry about. All they've done is agree to fix the "leaving fee" til later; that's all. Precisely the opposite, I'm afraid. That's the whole point quote The question of the UK financial settlement, along with an agreement on the rights of expats on both sides of the Channel will be the first two items that will be settled in the talks, which will begin in earnest next month. /quote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. michael adams ... The EU position was nothing is agreed till everything is agreed. So DD accepts some sort of silly settlement now then renages later when further into talks with some suitable legalise excuse. -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 20/06/2017 20:15, TheChief wrote:
So DD accepts some sort of silly settlement now then renages later when further into talks with some suitable legalise excuse. That would really help our future negotiations with other countries. |
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"dennis@home" Wrote in message:
On 20/06/2017 20:15, TheChief wrote: So DD accepts some sort of silly settlement now then renages later when further into talks with some suitable legalise excuse. That would really help our future negotiations with other countries. It'll take a lot of trade to recoup the 100Bn Euros the EUSSR are trying to screw us for. -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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"TheChief" wrote in message news "michael adams" Wrote in message: "Cursitor Doom" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, michael adams wrote: Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. Nothink to worry about. All they've done is agree to fix the "leaving fee" til later; that's all. Precisely the opposite, I'm afraid. That's the whole point quote The question of the UK financial settlement, along with an agreement on the rights of expats on both sides of the Channel will be the first two items that will be settled in the talks, which will begin in earnest next month. /quote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. michael adams ... The EU position was nothing is agreed till everything is agreed. Er no. As explained above agreement has first to be reached on the amount of the divorce settlement, plus EU citizens rights. Only after that will the EU agree to start talks on other things including trade, the CAP, fisheries, customs etc, etc. So DD accepts some sort of silly settlement now then renages later when further into talks with some suitable legalise excuse. But that's not really an option. As given the bad faith already in evidence, these agreements will be drafted so tightly as to leave no possible scope for any wriggle room at all. While reneging on any agreement would simply relegate the Pound s#Sterling to the same level, both in terms of value and credibility as the Zimbabwean Dollar. It took Robert Mugabe years to achieve what the UK could manage within days. michael adams .... |
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"michael adams" wrote in message o.uk... "TheChief" wrote in message news "michael adams" Wrote in message: "Cursitor Doom" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:43 +0100, michael adams wrote: Then, when on day one of the negotiations when it became clear that there would otherwise be no talks, Davis immediately caved in. Nothink to worry about. All they've done is agree to fix the "leaving fee" til later; that's all. Precisely the opposite, I'm afraid. That's the whole point quote The question of the UK financial settlement, along with an agreement on the rights of expats on both sides of the Channel will be the first two items that will be settled in the talks, which will begin in earnest next month. /quote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...day-one-talks/ Basically until the UK agrees to pay them what they think they're due, regardless of whether anyone else thinks this is fair or not, they're not going to negotiate on anything else. This was the fait accompli which Davis was presented with on Monday morning. If you read the article some of the sums being mentioned as compo are simply staggering i.e 100 billion It's maybe no wonder a lot of people are trying to play this down. michael adams ... The EU position was nothing is agreed till everything is agreed. Er no. As explained above That’s a CLAIM, not an explanation, and its just plain wrong. agreement has first to be reached on the amount of the divorce settlement, plus EU citizens rights. That’s just the EU ambit claim with no legal basis what so ever. Only after that will the EU agree to start talks on other things including trade, the CAP, fisheries, customs etc, etc. And if no agreement is reached in 2 years, Britain is out regardless and the EU gets to like that or lump it. So DD accepts some sort of silly settlement now then renages later when further into talks with some suitable legalise excuse. But that's not really an option. Corse it is. Britain is free to leave the EU with no agreement at all on anything. As given the bad faith already in evidence, these agreements will be drafted so tightly as to leave no possible scope for any wriggle room at all. Britain doesn’t have to agree to anything at all. While reneging on any agreement There doesn’t have to be any agreement at all. would simply relegate the Pound s#Sterling to the same level, both in terms of value and credibility as the Zimbabwean Dollar. It took Robert Mugabe years to achieve what the UK could manage within days. Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. |
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On 20/06/17 20:55, michael adams wrote:
While reneging on any agreement would simply relegate the Pound s#Sterling to the same level, both in terms of value and credibility as the Zimbabwean Dollar. It took Robert Mugabe years to achieve what the UK could manage within days. Oh dear. I take it you have a job in the EU? Nothing else could explain the amazing amount of unadulterated wombat turds you spout. We all know exactly what will happen because its what always happens when the EU sits down to negotiate. It will go on and on and on and at the 11th hour some country like Luxembourg will demand something or else, and the whole thing will collapse and we will end up with no deal. Because the EU is incapable of governing itself, let alone negotiating with anyone else. The EU cannot allow us to walk away, and it cannot force us to stay. It is completely ****ed, and we are about to rub their ****ing noses in just how royally ****ed they are going to be, and since like you they are a bunch of arrogant ****s with no redeeming features, it will be a pleasure to watch and well worth £300 a year on me taxes. Which I can save by not having a telly. And not buying any newspapers. -- Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public. |
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