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BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
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BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



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Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity
Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They
are depriving those in real need!

https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

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On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
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BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more money
than I know how to spend ....

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

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news
On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

yes just give it to the scumbags who smoked drank gambled their money way
and lived in a kooncil hoose ....I need mine to pay for my classic mustang
insurance .....

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all
OAPs are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to
cut their income in the future.

yes just give it to the scumbags who smoked drank gambled their money
way and lived in a kooncil hoose ....I need mine to pay for my classic
mustang insurance .....

No wonder May failed to get the majority she was sure she would. People
are now taking note of the opinions of her supporters - rather than what
she promised on becoming PM. Basically, Tories do not change their spots.

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:24:50 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

yes just give it to the scumbags who smoked drank gambled their money way
and lived in a kooncil hoose ....I need mine to pay for my classic mustang
insurance .....

I suggest you spend some of your excess money on an education. Some
basic grammar and spelling wouldn't go amiss ;-)

in 1599275 20170614 102450 "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote:
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

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ml

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

yes just give it to the scumbags who smoked drank gambled their money way
and lived in a kooncil hoose ....I need mine to pay for my classic mustang
insurance .....

Give it to the NHS, or charity, ie the things that government should support but doesn't.

On 14/06/2017 10:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

If their pension is still linked to the cost of living (i.e. part of the
"double lock"), why would removal of the 2.5% option cut their income?


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,
says...

If their pension is still linked to the cost of living
(i.e. part of the "double lock"), why would removal of
the 2.5% option cut their income?

My understanding is that the value of the pension had
gradually been eroded over the years and it was felt that
some correction would be needed.

However, in a crafty move to continue to save money, the
triple lock was introduced so that, if inflation WAS below
2.5% in successive years, a small trickle of the correction
needed would be asdded every year, thus avoiding a massive,
single payout.

Even if the shortfall has now been corrected, the trickle,
trickle method has still resulted in underpayment in all the
previous years and, if inflation rises above 2.5%, as it has
now, that shortfall will still not be repaid.

If push comes to shove with the drop in NHS employees coming
from abroad and May has to capitulate on the pay freeze that
has seriously depleted NHS pay for several years, don't be
surprised if a similar crafty move isn't made to make sure
that pay still remains low for several years to come.

Of course, all the time that inflation stays above 2.5%, no
additional payment will be forthcoming, anyway.


--

Terry

In article , John
Rumm writes
On 14/06/2017 10:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-surges-2-9
-cent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

If their pension is still linked to the cost of living (i.e. part of
the "double lock"), why would removal of the 2.5% option cut their
income?


If inflation falls below 2.5%.
It has only come into play twice since 2010 and then didn't make a great
deal of difference. If you look at the relationship between state
pension and average earnings you will see it suffered most when Thatcher
broke the link to earning. RPI/CPI treats pensioners unfairly because
they tend not to buy the things which hold them down.
Also note that the triple lock only applies to basic state pension under
the old system but to the whole of the new pension. It is the self
employed who have benefited most from the new system so maybe they
should pay a little more NI to cover it?
--
bert

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:04:04 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

There are many OAPs who are very well off and many OAPs who are not.
It does not make sense to lump them into the same "basket".

In article ,
Mark wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:04:04 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more
money than I know how to spend ....

Quite. Like many on here I'm pretty well off in retirement. Due to having
a reasonable occupational pension, and owning a house outright.

So for those who can't see beyond the end of their nose, means all OAPs
are very well off regardless. And makes a great deal of sense to cut their
income in the future.

There are many OAPs who are very well off and many OAPs who are not.
It does not make sense to lump them into the same "basket".

Of course not. But a sensible income tax system should take care of that.

But governments of all colours have tried to buy the oldies vote by giving
them perks of various types. And even the very well off like gifts. And
would moan if excluded.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more money
than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 13:56:07 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more money
than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

How do you (or anyone else) recieve the payments, if it;s just a cheque you could rip it up or just frame it for fun. You could ask here how to make such a frame :-)

Or if you get the money put into an account then you could always
give X amount to charity(s) .

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 06:46:48 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 13:56:07 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have more money
than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

How do you (or anyone else) recieve the payments,

I don't receive such payments.

if it;s just a cheque you could rip it up or just frame it for fun. You could ask here how to make such a frame :-)

Quite/

Or if you get the money put into an account then you could always
give X amount to charity(s) .

Agreed.

In article ,
Mark wrote:
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice
about removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have
more money than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

Surely would make more sense to give it to a charity of your choice? I can
just imagine the chaos as some civil servant tried to process such a thing.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:37:10 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice
about removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have
more money than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

Surely would make more sense to give it to a charity of your choice? I can
just imagine the chaos as some civil servant tried to process such a thing.

I already suggested this but it didn't gain popularity since many here
don't approve of certain charities.

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Mark wrote:
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:









http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice
about removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have
more money than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

Surely would make more sense to give it to a charity of your choice? I can
just imagine the chaos as some civil servant tried to process such a thing.

No problem processing a cheque but of you really want to annoy them send
them cash.
--
bert

In article , Mark
writes
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-surges-2-9
-cent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have
more money
than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

So why don't you?
--
bert

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:20:12 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Mark
writes
On 14 Jun 2017 12:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-06-14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-surges-2-9
-cent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.



and doing away with my winter heating payment just because I have
more money
than I know how to spend ....

That shows a certain lack of imagination.

What's your suggestion? Several here have said "send it back".

So why don't you?

The main reason is that I have never received a winter heating
payment.

On 14/06/17 10:39, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:16:44 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-surges-2-9-
cent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.


One of the good things re May's pasting is she will think twice about
removing the triple lock and similar bad ideas.

Probably not a good idea to hitch your political wagon to a demographic
that is going to shrink and - because of the current pensions landscape -
not be renewed.

The old are big and set to get bigger.

They are noyt a shrinking demographic.

At age 20 one resents NI, at age 65 one thanks state pensions.

As last week showed, the people *not* voting Tory were one of their
alleged key demographics. Younger middle-aged families with mortgages and
kids. Not the scrounging students the press conjured up.

Well they votes as well.


--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:55:06 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

Lower GBP means more inflation, not more pay.

In article , Mark
writes
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:55:06 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-surges-2-9-c
ent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

Lower GBP means more inflation, not more pay.

The dick strikes again. Do explain it for him someone - I can't be
arsed.
--
bert

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:12:12 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Mark
writes
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:55:06 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-surges-2-9-c
ent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

Lower GBP means more inflation, not more pay.

The dick strikes again. Do explain it for him someone - I can't be
arsed.

Ah, you're just a troll. Welcome to my killfile.

In article , Mark
writes
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:12:12 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Mark
writes
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:55:06 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-surges-2-9-c
ent-new-squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

Lower GBP means more inflation, not more pay.

The dick strikes again. Do explain it for him someone - I can't be
arsed.

Ah, you're just a troll. Welcome to my killfile.

Excellent. Then I won't see your tiresome replies.
--
bert

Mark wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:55:06 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

Lower GBP means more inflation, not more pay.


The inflation bit seems not to be present in Lidl EU wine prices when
I looked today. Prices are lower than I recall for some years.

On 14/06/2017 20:03, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Fredxxx
wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-2-9-cent-new-

squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make
their own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

And another 50k people in work - unemployment now down to 1.53 million,
lowest since 1975, apparently.

Does this fit Our Dave's definition of a "trashed economy" or whatever
it was he said?

I think ourt Dave is the only person over 20 in this country who
actually believes in JC's fairy stories.

On 14/06/17 20:40, JoeJoe wrote:
On 14/06/2017 20:03, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Fredxxx
wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-2-9-cent-new-

squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make
their own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

And another 50k people in work - unemployment now down to 1.53 million,
lowest since 1975, apparently.

Does this fit Our Dave's definition of a "trashed economy" or whatever
it was he said?

I think ourt Dave is the only person over 20 in this country who
actually believes in JC's fairy stories.

Well someone of my acquaintance sort of admits a bit idealistic but
votes for him anyway because 'his heart is in the right place'

And that of course is where we part company. I want my PMS head in the
right place. In fact its one job where a heartless ******* can be effective.


--
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 14/06/2017 20:03, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Fredxxx
wrote:

On 14/06/2017 07:53, wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-2-9-cent-new-
squeeze-wages.html

BY BYE TRIPLE LOCK.

Don't see the problem with losing the triple lock. People can make their
own provision for retirement.

Yes thanks I am feeling the benefit, lower GBP vs Euro means more pay.

And another 50k people in work - unemployment now down to 1.53 million,
lowest since 1975, apparently.

Does this fit Our Dave's definition of a "trashed economy" or whatever
it was he said?

I think ourt Dave is the only person over 20 in this country who actually
believes in JC's fairy stories.

Unlikely given that 40% of the voters voted labour
and well over half of them must be over 20.

Nope, because even you should have noticed that Britain
is still in the EU and all those unspeakable immigrants
are still free to show up in Britain if they want to.

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