Please help me help Wifey :-)

Wifey is using software on her iPad to learn the piano. The iPad hears
whatever she plays on the P45, and highlights errors. Works well, but
sometimes the iPad misses a note, so plan B is to hard wire the two
together, which is where we get lost.

The P45 has a 'square' type USB socket, and the iPad has a 30 pin (NOT
lightening) connector.

Reference to a Yamaha manual shows various connections, some of which
are marked 'MIDI data only - audio signal not supported'. We don't know
whether we need MIDI or signal or both. Anyone?

I *think* we need an iPad camera connector. Anyone know?

Finally, assuming we get the correct connector and it all works, will
the P45 charge the iPad battery whilst in use?

Thanks!
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Graeme

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:06:45 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Wifey is using software on her iPad to learn the piano. The iPad hears
whatever she plays on the P45, and highlights errors. Works well, but
sometimes the iPad misses a note, so plan B is to hard wire the two
together, which is where we get lost.

So the iPad is listening to the sounds made by the piano?

Does the iPad have socket for a 3.5 mm headset, or even a microphone?
Apple, so it might not or if it does it'll be a propritary connector
or on that 30 pin jobbie. Google is your friend, you're looking for a
way to get an audio signal into the iPad in place of its internal
microphone.

The P45 has a headphone out but plugging headphones in cuts the loud
speakers, so you'd have to find some way of splitting the signal from
the P45 to amp/speakers (aux in on your HiFi) and to the input of the
iPad.
The input to the iPad is also likely to be low (microphone) level so
you'll need to attenuate the headphone signal before feeding to the
iPad. Not difficult, a small 10 k ohmn trimmer potentiometr will do.

MIDI is a serial data stream, common on electronic musical
instruments but I'd be very suprised if an iPad supports it.

The P45 expects to connect to a USB host ie a PC. An iPad also
expects to connect to a USB host. Does Apple have support of OTG
cables? Even if it does will the error checking software take input
from USB?

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Cheers
Dave.

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 4:04:43 PM UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:06:45 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Wifey is using software on her iPad to learn the piano. The iPad hears
whatever she plays on the P45, and highlights errors. Works well, but
sometimes the iPad misses a note, so plan B is to hard wire the two
together, which is where we get lost.

So the iPad is listening to the sounds made by the piano?

Does the iPad have socket for a 3.5 mm headset, or even a microphone?
Apple, so it might not or if it does it'll be a propritary connector
or on that 30 pin jobbie. Google is your friend, you're looking for a
way to get an audio signal into the iPad in place of its internal
microphone.

The P45 has a headphone out but plugging headphones in cuts the loud
speakers, so you'd have to find some way of splitting the signal from
the P45 to amp/speakers (aux in on your HiFi) and to the input of the
iPad.
The input to the iPad is also likely to be low (microphone) level so
you'll need to attenuate the headphone signal before feeding to the
iPad. Not difficult, a small 10 k ohmn trimmer potentiometr will do.

MIDI is a serial data stream, common on electronic musical
instruments but I'd be very suprised if an iPad supports it.

The P45 expects to connect to a USB host ie a PC. An iPad also
expects to connect to a USB host. Does Apple have support of OTG
cables? Even if it does will the error checking software take input
from USB?

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Cheers
Dave.

this is mabe what you are after, I use an older one with the guitar
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmidi2/

In message ,
misterroy writes

this is mabe what you are after, I use an older one with the guitar
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmidi2/

Thank you. That looks perfect but, at a hundred pounds, I could buy her
an android tablet and avoid compatibility issues forever!
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Graeme

replying to Graeme, SimonT wrote:
I have just purchased the P45 and purchased an adaptor cable primarily to
charge the ipad. But this doesn't seem to work. Does it work with your ipad?


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In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:06:45 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Wifey is using software on her iPad to learn the piano. The iPad hears
whatever she plays on the P45, and highlights errors. Works well, but
sometimes the iPad misses a note, so plan B is to hard wire the two
together, which is where we get lost.

So the iPad is listening to the sounds made by the piano?

Thanks Dave. I hear all that you say and, once again, regret buying an
Apple product. The iPad is great at what it does, but connecting it to
anything is a minefield of different connectors and iOS versions. We
have been doing quite a lot of reading, and there is a perfect device
available, which works only up to the iOS version one below hers.

My understanding is that the iPad hears individual notes perfectly, but
sometimes struggles with chords. Wifey is asking on a suitable support
group but, TBH, it really needs to be something simple that she can
easily plug and unplug as required, as she does not always use the iPad,
and does not always use the same app.

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Graeme

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 5:46:11 PM UTC, Graeme wrote:
In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:06:45 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Wifey is using software on her iPad to learn the piano. The iPad hears
whatever she plays on the P45, and highlights errors. Works well, but
sometimes the iPad misses a note, so plan B is to hard wire the two
together, which is where we get lost.

So the iPad is listening to the sounds made by the piano?

Thanks Dave. I hear all that you say and, once again, regret buying an
Apple product. The iPad is great at what it does, but connecting it to
anything is a minefield of different connectors and iOS versions. We
have been doing quite a lot of reading, and there is a perfect device
available, which works only up to the iOS version one below hers.

My understanding is that the iPad hears individual notes perfectly, but
sometimes struggles with chords. Wifey is asking on a suitable support
group but, TBH, it really needs to be something simple that she can
easily plug and unplug as required, as she does not always use the iPad,
and does not always use the same app.

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Graeme

the i rig 1 might do it, less than a tenner on ebay

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 17:44:53 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Thanks Dave. I hear all that you say and, once again, regret buying an
Apple product. The iPad is great at what it does, but connecting it to
anything is a minefield of different connectors and iOS versions.

That's sort of why I went down the KISS method of just shove audio
into the iPad. The MIDI route depends on the app(s) understanding
MIDI or converted to USB MIDI stream. It already understands audio.

My understanding is that the iPad hears individual notes perfectly, but
sometimes struggles with chords.

It may be worth playing with the volume of the piano and the position
of the iPad relative to the speakers. Maybe when a chord is played
the iPad is picking up key noise, particulary if it's resting on the
piano.

TBH, it really needs to be something simple that she can easily plug and
unplug as required, as she does not always use the iPad, and does not
always use the same app.

Can't get much simpler that pulling a couple of plugs out.

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Cheers
Dave.

In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 17:44:53 +0000, Graeme wrote:

TBH, it really needs to be something simple that she can easily plug and
unplug as required, as she does not always use the iPad, and does not
always use the same app.

Can't get much simpler that pulling a couple of plugs out.

Result! After much reading, we found a genuine (i.e. expensive) Apple
connector for the job, although it reminded me why I avoid Apple
products.

Anyway, 18 quid later, a connector arrived today, and works perfectly.
By way of a bonus, not only does the iPad now hear every note played,
but Wifey's 'score' when playing has increased so she is graded a little
higher than before.

Thanks for all the help.
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Graeme

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:28:57 +0000, Graeme wrote:

Result! After much reading, we found a genuine (i.e. expensive) Apple
connector for the job, although it reminded me why I avoid Apple
products.

Glad you found a solution and that it has improved things. Which hole
on the piano does it plg into?

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Cheers
Dave.

replying to Graeme, Smithjohns wrote:
Please could you give me a link to purchase the connector that worked for you.
Or failing that, a name, manufacturer etc.

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Hello! Can I ask you what app your wife uses in her iPad? I have been looking for the same thing you described!

Thanks,
André

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Hello! Can I ask you what app your wife uses in her iPad? I have been
looking for the same thing you described!

Simply Piano and Piano Maestro are her favourites, apparently. Very
happy bunny now that the connector has arrived, and works.
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Graeme

replying to Graeme, Tassos wrote:
The best value solution is the "Line 6 MIDI Mobilizer". You can find one if
you search starting from 15-20 $


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