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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. Ermin |
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On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. |
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newshound writes On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. I have one which creates coil spring marks unless travelled very slowly. They are a huge improvement over direct spray in controlling the final destination of the dirt removed (we have black feather edge board both sides of our paved yard). Obviously you can't get right into a corner or up to an edge. Adjustable jets might be useful to speed up cleaning minor encrustations. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:45:11 +0000, newshound wrote:
On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. A very dilute belach can be good for clearing smaller areas. Test it fisrt in a discreet location to ensure it doesn't cause a problem with discolouration. Ermin |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:15:34 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , newshound writes On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. I have one which creates coil spring marks unless travelled very slowly. They are a huge improvement over direct spray in controlling the final destination of the dirt removed (we have black feather edge board both sides of our paved yard). Obviously you can't get right into a corner or up to an edge. Adjustable jets might be useful to speed up cleaning minor encrustations. What make is the washer please? Does it have a good working pressure and flow rate? Ermin |
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Ermin Trude wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I had a small Karcher which was OK, but a bit underpowered.When it aged I replaced it with a Nilfisk https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilfisk-alto-e140-3-9-pad-x-tra-cold-water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. The biggest problem with a patio brush is sand or grit getting into the pivot and affecting rotation of the spray arm. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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On 26/02/2017 20:18, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... I have the same but have been unable to get it to spin in any meaningful way. Any tips? -- F |
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Trude writes On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:15:34 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , newshound writes On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. I have one which creates coil spring marks unless travelled very slowly. They are a huge improvement over direct spray in controlling the final destination of the dirt removed (we have black feather edge board both sides of our paved yard). Obviously you can't get right into a corner or up to an edge. Adjustable jets might be useful to speed up cleaning minor encrustations. What make is the washer please? Does it have a good working pressure and flow rate? Karcher. You need to be careful mix/matching attachments as the bayonet fixings can vary with manufacturers. The washer was inherited so I don't have performance details. Ample pressure and flow for car and patio jobs. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:08:26 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Ermin Trude writes about pressure washer What make is the washer please? Does it have a good working pressure and flow rate? Karcher. You need to be careful mix/matching attachments as the bayonet fixings can vary with manufacturers. The washer was inherited so I don't have performance details. Ample pressure and flow for car and patio jobs. Okay - maybe I should think again about Karcher but my last ones were rather disappointing in terms of longevity. Plus they are quite a price these days. Hence my feelings towards Nilfisk. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:02:55 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). I had a small Karcher which was OK, but a bit underpowered.When it aged I replaced it with a Nilfisk I was disappointed with the Karchers I'd had - reliability was a bit questionable and I'm now put off by the price. https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilf...ad-x-tra-cold- water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. Is it a 'flow through' or do you have to completely unreel it before use? Useful advice on the power/click together. Thankyou. The biggest problem with a patio brush is sand or grit getting into the pivot and affecting rotation of the spray arm. Something I'll watch out for. Ermin |
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Ermin Trude wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilfisk-alto-e140-3-9-pad-x-tra-cold-water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. I found the standard Nilfisk hose was quite plasticky with a mind of its own (i.e. remembering the coiled state) I bought a decent rubber replacement from "Q Washers" and had it made a couple of metres longer. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:27:30 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Ermin Trude wrote: Chris J Dixon wrote: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilf...ad-x-tra-cold- water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. I found the standard Nilfisk hose was quite plasticky with a mind of its own (i.e. remembering the coiled state) I bought a decent rubber replacement from "Q Washers" and had it made a couple of metres longer. But overall is/was the Nilfisk good? Ermin |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:47:51 +0000, Janet wrote:
I wouldn't use bleach. When our concrete back steps get slippery with algae I use Jeyes fluid, elbow greas, a scrubbing brush, and rince with hose. you might try the very useful paving website belonging to professional paver and ex-urgler Tony http://www.pavingexpert.com/maintain_02.htm But this does recommend the use of bleach! Ermin |
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On Sunday, 26 February 2017 16:25:17 UTC, Ermin Trude wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. Ermin I have one of the things with rotating brushes. ****ing useless. I also have a thing with a "spinning water jet". (Karcher) Now that works well. Nothing however seems to shift the black spots. |
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On Sunday, 26 February 2017 21:17:57 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , newshound writes On 2/26/2017 8:18 PM, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... it makes the job quite a bit easier since you are not carrying the weight of the jet or trying to control it - it becomes more like toting an upright vacuum cleaner about. A nice bonus is you end up wearing slightly somewhat less of the crud you wash off! Good timing for me, I was just thinking about investigating / shopping. Presumably they are a bit more benign towards pointing than a standard lance? Also, I'm interested in opinions about using bleach or other cleaning products. Have grown quite a lot of algae on the new (cheap Indian sandstone) slabs this winter, especially in the areas which don't see so much direct sun. I have one which creates coil spring marks unless travelled very slowly. They are a huge improvement over direct spray in controlling the final destination of the dirt removed (we have black feather edge board both sides of our paved yard). Obviously you can't get right into a corner or up to an edge. Adjustable jets might be useful to speed up cleaning minor encrustations. If you get the "spinning marks" it's because you have insufficient flow of water. |
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On Monday, 27 February 2017 11:07:45 UTC, F wrote:
On 26/02/2017 20:18, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2017 16:25, Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). They *seem* to be more efficient in giving a more uniform clean and also *seem* to offer a quicker option to clean such larger areas. Can anyone offer any views on them from practical experience please? Also any preference on makes/models from practical experience. I've had Karcher in the past but had not been too happy with them so I'm wondering about Nilfisk? Google may be my friend but it does get very confusing! TIA Ermin A subject often discussed in uk.d-i-y. You should get a lot of answers if you repost there. I'll try adding it - hopefully it will work. I have a Karcher TRacer head for mine... I have the same but have been unable to get it to spin in any meaningful way. Any tips? -- F It should spin at very high sped. IME when it doesn't, there is insufficient water OR it needs a dose of WD40 down the nozzle. |
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On Monday, 27 February 2017 12:12:03 UTC, Ermin Trude wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:02:55 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). I had a small Karcher which was OK, but a bit underpowered.When it aged I replaced it with a Nilfisk I was disappointed with the Karchers I'd had - reliability was a bit questionable and I'm now put off by the price. https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilf...ad-x-tra-cold- water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. Is it a 'flow through' or do you have to completely unreel it before use? Useful advice on the power/click together. Thankyou. The biggest problem with a patio brush is sand or grit getting into the pivot and affecting rotation of the spray arm. Something I'll watch out for. Ermin The reels are not as good as you might think. They "pre-form" curls in the (high pressure)hose that tangle up when you are using it. |
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Ermin Trude wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:02:55 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilf...ad-x-tra-cold- water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. Is it a 'flow through' or do you have to completely unreel it before use? Flow through, and quite flexible IME. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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overall is/was the Nilfisk good? Overall yes, a solid machine, I don't have a patio head for it though as the reviews for the Nilfisk one weren't really glowing |
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On 27/02/2017 12:12, Ermin Trude wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:02:55 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: Ermin Trude wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 26/02/17 13:11, Ermin Trude wrote: It is getting to the time of year when the flagstones will be washed of the winter grime and slime. In the past I've used n ordinary pressure washer with a 'fanned' jet to go over the paving (taking care to avoid the pointing between). As there is c85sq m of paving to front, sides and rear I'm toying with the idea of getting a washer with a 'patio' attachment (basically two spinning jets enclosed within a bowl). I had a small Karcher which was OK, but a bit underpowered.When it aged I replaced it with a Nilfisk I was disappointed with the Karchers I'd had - reliability was a bit questionable and I'm now put off by the price. https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilf...ad-x-tra-cold- water-pre/ This was more powerful, the parts click together much more easily, and the hose reel is handy. Yes, I can see the advantage of the reel - hoses can be awkward things. Is it a 'flow through' or do you have to completely unreel it before use? Useful advice on the power/click together. Thankyou. The biggest problem with a patio brush is sand or grit getting into the pivot and affecting rotation of the spray arm. Something I'll watch out for. Have a read of the pressure washer FAQ for a bit more to consider: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Pressure_washer_FAQ -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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