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I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller
(single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter |
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Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Our Village Hall has exactly the same requirement and there is such a beast - although with two separately heated rooms we use a dual channel machine. However, I don't have a record at home of the make/model. I'll try and take a look at the weekend. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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wrote: In article , Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Our Village Hall has exactly the same requirement and there is such a beast - although with two separately heated rooms we use a dual channel machine. However, I don't have a record at home of the make/model. I'll try and take a look at the weekend. Didn't make it until this morning. Unit we have is a Danfoss TS715Si. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 23/01/2017 17:43, Charles Hope wrote:
In article , charles wrote: In article , Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Our Village Hall has exactly the same requirement and there is such a beast - although with two separately heated rooms we use a dual channel machine. However, I don't have a record at home of the make/model. I'll try and take a look at the weekend. Didn't make it until this morning. Unit we have is a Danfoss TS715Si. Is that not a single channel programmer? -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: On 23/01/2017 17:43, Charles Hope wrote: In article , charles wrote: In article , Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Our Village Hall has exactly the same requirement and there is such a beast - although with two separately heated rooms we use a dual channel machine. However, I don't have a record at home of the make/model. I'll try and take a look at the weekend. Didn't make it until this morning. Unit we have is a Danfoss TS715Si. Is that not a single channel programmer? It is. I'd forgotten things were modrnised and we now have two single channel units instead of the old Sangamo one which did both halls from one unit. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 23/01/2017 20:36, charles wrote:
It is. I'd forgotten things were modrnised and we now have two single channel units instead of the old Sangamo one which did both halls from one unit. Sangamo have gone modern:-) http://sangamo.co.uk/round-pattern-time-switch/e855/ -- Adam |
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On Friday, 20 January 2017 15:25:54 UTC, Peter Andrews wrote:
I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter Whatever complex system you use, add a simple mechanical timer or it will be unworkable at some time by some people. NT |
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On Friday, 20 January 2017 16:19:04 UTC, Peter Andrews wrote:
On 20/01/2017 16:04, wrote: On Friday, 20 January 2017 15:25:54 UTC, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter Whatever complex system you use, add a simple mechanical timer or it will be unworkable at some time by some people. NT The only control that is accessible by hall users is the thermostat and even then I've got another one in series that limits the max temperature. Too many wanted 28C for their meetings! Peter You will find the brain dead think the building will warm up from cold quicker if the thermostat is set higher. |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:30:32 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:
You will find the brain dead think the building will warm up from cold quicker if the thermostat is set higher. Not just the brain dead, an awful lot of otherwise bright people think the same. At least the brain dead will be happy with a dummy thermostat, the brighter ones will look at the stat setting and think, it's not 28 C but the heatings off. Why? And start investigating, find and adjust the limit stat, still using the flawed higher = faster reasoning of course... Also applies to fridges or freezers that have a temperature display (or internal thermometer). Typical scenario is the fridge gets up to 6 C in the morning when umpteen people are in and out of it for milk, spread, juice, etc. 6 C/ far to warm so they wind the dial up, 4 hours later they complain the lunchtime salad in the crisper drawers is frozen... -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:30:32 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: You will find the brain dead think the building will warm up from cold quicker if the thermostat is set higher. Not just the brain dead, an awful lot of otherwise bright people think the same. At least the brain dead will be happy with a dummy thermostat, the brighter ones will look at the stat setting and think, it's not 28 C but the heatings off. Why? And start investigating, find and adjust the limit stat, still using the flawed higher = faster reasoning of course... Also applies to fridges or freezers that have a temperature display (or internal thermometer). Typical scenario is the fridge gets up to 6 C in the morning when umpteen people are in and out of it for milk, spread, juice, etc. 6 C/ far to warm so they wind the dial up, 4 hours later they complain the lunchtime salad in the crisper drawers is frozen... Now that many things have PID control systems that do indeed heat up faster when further away from the set point the prejudice of the uninitiated that this is what *should* happen is more and more vindicated. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 20/01/2017 15:26, Peter Andrews wrote:
I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter We have a press button that runs the heating for 1 press + 1/2 hour 2 press 1 hour 3 press 2 hours. Mike |
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On 20/01/2017 16:17, Muddymike wrote:
On 20/01/2017 15:26, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter We have a press button that runs the heating for 1 press + 1/2 hour 2 press 1 hour 3 press 2 hours. Mike I did consider that but that doesn't allow the heating to be on before people arrive, the hall takes about 30 - 40 minutes to warm up from cold and the exercise groups and pensioners lunch clubs need it to be warm when they arrive. Peter |
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On 20/01/2017 16:24, Peter Andrews wrote:
On 20/01/2017 16:17, Muddymike wrote: On 20/01/2017 15:26, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter We have a press button that runs the heating for 1 press + 1/2 hour 2 press 1 hour 3 press 2 hours. Mike I did consider that but that doesn't allow the heating to be on before people arrive, the hall takes about 30 - 40 minutes to warm up from cold and the exercise groups and pensioners lunch clubs need it to be warm when they arrive. Peter If there's wireless internet at the hall, a switch that is programmable over the internet might work for you? |
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On 20/01/2017 18:07, GB wrote:
On 20/01/2017 16:24, Peter Andrews wrote: On 20/01/2017 16:17, Muddymike wrote: On 20/01/2017 15:26, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter We have a press button that runs the heating for 1 press + 1/2 hour 2 press 1 hour 3 press 2 hours. Mike I did consider that but that doesn't allow the heating to be on before people arrive, the hall takes about 30 - 40 minutes to warm up from cold and the exercise groups and pensioners lunch clubs need it to be warm when they arrive. Peter If there's wireless internet at the hall, a switch that is programmable over the internet might work for you? Unfortunately no internet available, hence my Arduino which can also send me a text message giving me the status of the door lock, hall temperature and the amount of time that the heating will remain on. The lock status is interesting as it really shows which key holders are taking the 'p' with their rental periods! What I want to do next (not because I need it, but just to see if I can do it) is have an electric lock, that can still be key operated, so that I can lock and unlock the premises remotely! Peter |
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On Saturday, 21 January 2017 09:39:46 UTC, Peter Andrews wrote:
The lock status is interesting as it really shows which key holders are taking the 'p' with their rental periods! An otherwise good customer that runs 45 minutes late is a far better proposition than a ---- that operates on time. What I want to do next (not because I need it, but just to see if I can do it) is have an electric lock, that can still be key operated, so that I can lock and unlock the premises remotely! Peter Electric locks are easily shouldered. And when your customer shows up and can't find something essential to their event you do need to be there or they may look to you for compensation for a pile of costs & liabilities, since it was you that didn't keep your side of the contract. And such events do not result in building ongoing business. NT |
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On 20/01/2017 16:24, Peter Andrews wrote:
On 20/01/2017 16:17, Muddymike wrote: On 20/01/2017 15:26, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter We have a press button that runs the heating for 1 press + 1/2 hour 2 press 1 hour 3 press 2 hours. Mike I did consider that but that doesn't allow the heating to be on before people arrive, the hall takes about 30 - 40 minutes to warm up from cold and the exercise groups and pensioners lunch clubs need it to be warm when they arrive. Would such a button be handy for the weekend events when someone turns up to set things up before the other people arrive? -- Adam |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:07 +0000, Peter Andrews
wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter I built this smart thermostat http://www.hestiapi.com/home My version uses a Raspberry Pi Zero, and a wall-wart PSU, so my prototype is smaller (if not neater). https://www.flickr.com/gp/g3zvt/d98U37 I hand wired the interface board rather than attempt to etch a double-sided PCB, that would have ended in tears. Total hardware cost, under £10. I did it primarily to ****-off my friends who had bought BG Nests! I just wish I understood the software, so I could make some changes. What I really need is the DHW channel to be excatly the same as the CH with its own 1-wire sensor on the cylinder. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! More sophisticated boilers will have more sophisticated control. However, I'd look at a programmable thermostat to see if it would do what you want. -- *I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:07 +0000, Peter Andrews
wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter The Honeywell CM927 7 day Wireless Programmable Room Thermostat does what you want (although it is a thermostat not just a boiler programmer). In my CH I have the boiler programmer set permanently on, and use the programmable room stat to control the CH. The boiler programmer still controls the HW. Just looked at Honeywell web site and they do various 7 day bolier programmers: http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...s/Programmers/ |
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On 21/01/2017 13:31, Davidm wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:07 +0000, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter The Honeywell CM927 7 day Wireless Programmable Room Thermostat does what you want (although it is a thermostat not just a boiler programmer). In my CH I have the boiler programmer set permanently on, and use the programmable room stat to control the CH. The boiler programmer still controls the HW. Just looked at Honeywell web site and they do various 7 day bolier programmers: http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...s/Programmers/ The http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...tches/ST9100C/ is not bad. -- Adam |
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On 21/01/2017 15:18, ARW wrote:
On 21/01/2017 13:31, Davidm wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:07 +0000, Peter Andrews wrote: I have a requirement for a central heating (Worcester gas) controller (single channel as there isn't any hot water) that allows different time settings for every day. The only ones I can find seem to be 7 or 2/5 days, has anyone any suggestions? It's for a village hall that has varying occupancy during the week, e.g. 10:00 - 11:00, 16:00 - 20:00 on a Monday, 10:00 - 12:00 19:00 - 22:00 Tuesday and similar for the rest of the week. Weekends are completely unpredictable and there is also the occasional extra weekday meeting. There is no internet access, but I have built a system using text messages (Arduino) that allows me to remotely turn the system on/off, which caters for the occasional weekends but it's too time consuming to use during the week. The intention would be to program the regular periods and use text messaging for the non regular periods. At the moment I reckon that I'm wasting about 30% of my gas bill! Peter The Honeywell CM927 7 day Wireless Programmable Room Thermostat does what you want (although it is a thermostat not just a boiler programmer). In my CH I have the boiler programmer set permanently on, and use the programmable room stat to control the CH. The boiler programmer still controls the HW. Just looked at Honeywell web site and they do various 7 day bolier programmers: http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...s/Programmers/ The http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...tches/ST9100C/ is not bad. Thanks, the ST9100C will do a treat - should pay for itself in about 3 months. Peter |
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On 21/01/2017 16:24, Peter Andrews wrote:
The http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/...tches/ST9100C/ is not bad. Thanks, the ST9100C will do a treat - should pay for itself in about 3 months. I installed one in the local Scout hut for exactly the same reasons you had (different times different days for different groups) with the bonus of the holiday function that allows the heating to be turned off easily in the school holidays by any of the Scout leaders. A 3 month payback is impressive! The Scouts got a 1 day payback (I had a spare programmer in the van and fitted it for free). -- Adam |
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