I want to replace the shower riser rail - when I originally bought it I had
to file out the hole to allow it to grip the tapered section of the end of
the shower hose.

My question is, Is it "standard" for the shower head to be held onto the
riser attachment by the tapered ferule on the end of the hose. I want to
minimise the risk of buying one that isn't quite suitable.

On 28/12/2016 10:46, DerbyBorn wrote:
I want to replace the shower riser rail - when I originally bought it I had
to file out the hole to allow it to grip the tapered section of the end of
the shower hose.

My question is, Is it "standard" for the shower head to be held onto the
riser attachment by the tapered ferule on the end of the hose. I want to
minimise the risk of buying one that isn't quite suitable.

Yup it seems like a common way to hold them...


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DerbyBorn wrote:

Is it "standard" for the shower head to be held onto the
riser attachment by the tapered ferule on the end of the hose.

IME yes, the conical profile seems to be quite standardised across
manufacturers ...

Andy Burns has brought this to us :
IME yes, the conical profile seems to be quite standardised across
manufacturers ...

...Bur only until you buy a replacement head or hose, then all
replacements seem to be parallel unless OEM.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Andy Burns has brought this to us :
IME yes, the conical profile seems to be quite standardised across
manufacturers ...

..Bur only until you buy a replacement head or hose, then all
replacements seem to be parallel unless OEM.

The one supplied with our shower had two sizes of taper, and they
suggested matching it to the shower head. At the other end it is held
only by the threaded outlet and washer, the outer taper is not engaged.
The existence of two sizes is a slight concern.


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Roger Hayter

Roger Hayter was thinking very hard :
The one supplied with our shower had two sizes of taper, and they
suggested matching it to the shower head. At the other end it is held
only by the threaded outlet and washer, the outer taper is not engaged.
The existence of two sizes is a slight concern.

The threaded sleeves on the shower flexibles, where they attach to the
outlet and the head, are captive on the hose. You cannot swap them
without wrecking the hose.

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 10:46:06 UTC, DerbyBorn wrote:
I want to replace the shower riser rail - when I originally bought it I had
to file out the hole to allow it to grip the tapered section of the end of
the shower hose.

My question is, Is it "standard" for the shower head to be held onto the
riser attachment by the tapered ferule on the end of the hose. I want to
minimise the risk of buying one that isn't quite suitable.

Yes it's standard practice. But there are at least 2 sizes, as I've found from replacing a number of them. Maybe take the old one with you.


NT

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Roger Hayter was thinking very hard :
The one supplied with our shower had two sizes of taper, and they
suggested matching it to the shower head. At the other end it is held
only by the threaded outlet and washer, the outer taper is not engaged.
The existence of two sizes is a slight concern.

The threaded sleeves on the shower flexibles, where they attach to the
outlet and the head, are captive on the hose. You cannot swap them
without wrecking the hose.

Quite so. The two sizes are at opposite ends. This is not a problem
until both end fittings have a taper, as I thought was the case in the
OP's setup.

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Roger Hayter

I bought a Croydex one - annoyingly the fixing hole centres are not 600mm
as my previous so I had to drill a tile. The tapered fitting is a bit tight
and tends to also trap the hose. Damn

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:39:12 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:




I bought a Croydex one - annoyingly the fixing hole centres are not 600mm
as my previous so I had to drill a tile. The tapered fitting is a bit tight
and tends to also trap the hose. Damn

Not just mine then. The replacement hose is fatter and the fitting
behaves like a very tight terry clip.


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Graham.

%Profound_observation%

Not just mine then. The replacement hose is fatter and the fitting
behaves like a very tight terry clip.



I have just found an alternative hose in the garage - metal outer instead
of plastic - the tapered end is also smaller and is now a perfect fit. Not
standardised then!
The plastic one was preferable as it was bigger bore and didn't ralle on
the wall.

DerbyBorn wrote:

I have just found an alternative hose in the garage - metal outer
instead of plastic - the tapered end is also smaller and is now a
perfect fit. Not standardised then! The plastic one was preferable as
it was bigger bore and didn't ralle on the wall.

I've always bought hoses with chromed-brass ends, maybe that's the
difference?

Andy Burns wrote in news:ecktp9F1frbU1
@mid.individual.net:

DerbyBorn wrote:

I have just found an alternative hose in the garage - metal outer
instead of plastic - the tapered end is also smaller and is now a
perfect fit. Not standardised then! The plastic one was preferable as
it was bigger bore and didn't ralle on the wall.

I've always bought hoses with chromed-brass ends, maybe that's the
difference?



https://www.dropbox.com/s/telideb628...hower.jpg?dl=0

This shows the unsatisfactory pipe.

DerbyBorn wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I've always bought hoses with chromed-brass ends, maybe that's the
difference?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/telideb628...hower.jpg?dl=0
This shows the unsatisfactory pipe.

Ah yes, from the look of that, my rail (Mira) would grip the whole of
the tapered end, not just 1/4" at the end.

Andy Burns wrote in news:ecl347F2rr4U1
@mid.individual.net:

DerbyBorn wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I've always bought hoses with chromed-brass ends, maybe that's the
difference?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/telideb628...hower.jpg?dl=0
This shows the unsatisfactory pipe.

Ah yes, from the look of that, my rail (Mira) would grip the whole of
the tapered end, not just 1/4" at the end.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ulg5j1h6d...35.35.jpg?dl=0

Now okay with different smaller bore hose

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:09:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 10:46:06 UTC, DerbyBorn wrote:
I want to replace the shower riser rail - when I originally bought it I had
to file out the hole to allow it to grip the tapered section of the end of
the shower hose.

My question is, Is it "standard" for the shower head to be held onto the
riser attachment by the tapered ferule on the end of the hose. I want to
minimise the risk of buying one that isn't quite suitable.

Yes it's standard practice. But there are at least 2 sizes, as I've found from replacing a number of them. Maybe take the old one with you.


NT

I think there are wider bore hoses for low pressure tank fed showers.
Perhaps the OD is wider too.


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Graham.

%Profound_observation%

I now need a shower hose with the largest internal hose diameter (the current one is reducing the flow from what I had) - but with the small diameter cone sleeve on the end!