...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts.


--
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts.


For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.


--
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hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should
I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of
maximum wholesale prices?

On 04/11/16 12:24, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should
I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of
maximum wholesale prices?



Depends whether you want to crash the grid or not...;-)



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time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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On 04/11/16 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 12:24, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should
I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of
maximum wholesale prices?



Depends whether you want to crash the grid or not...;-)



Oh dear. ON the 10th November we are predicted to have -2GW reserve.

In other words, we are ****ed.

http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14

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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
In other words, we are ****ed.

http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14


Now minus 344MW - but still fecked.

Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on
firefox...

On 04/11/2016 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14


That gives me a message saying the site contains malware.

Bill

On 04/11/2016 12:24, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should
I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of
maximum wholesale prices?



Sell it back to the grid at 76p :-)

On Friday, 4 November 2016 12:18:04 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts.


For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

My, that's nearly twice the price of first generation solar PV.
How can this be?

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 4 November 2016 12:18:04 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their
nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts.


For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last
evening. And 86p the day before yesterday.

My, that's nearly twice the price of first generation solar PV.
How can this be?

Because Britain was too stupid to have enough nukes.

On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

It's not proper cold, still up at 5 to 10 C average ish.

There is only one nuke shutdown but there are three not working flat
out.

Heysham 1
Reactor 1 : Feb-2017
Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 307 MW
Planned : Raising load following off-load refuelling :
Reactor 2 : May-2018
Turbine Generator 2 : In service : 517 MW
At reduced load to manage fuel temperatures

Heysham 2
Reactor 8 : On outage
Turbine Generator 8 : Offline : -18 MW
Planned : Statutory outage : 22-Nov-16

Sizewell B
Reactor 1 : Nov-2017
Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 518 MW
At reduced load to repair a feed heater pipe support

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Not to mention that demand was only about 48 GW, unless things have
drmatically changed when it gets proper cold demand will be nearer 55
GW. Where is that 5+ GW going to come from at around 1800 in the
middle of winter?

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On 04/11/16 13:14, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

It's not proper cold, still up at 5 to 10 C average ish.

There is only one nuke shutdown but there are three not working flat
out.

Heysham 1
Reactor 1 : Feb-2017
Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 307 MW
Planned : Raising load following off-load refuelling :
Reactor 2 : May-2018
Turbine Generator 2 : In service : 517 MW
At reduced load to manage fuel temperatures

Heysham 2
Reactor 8 : On outage
Turbine Generator 8 : Offline : -18 MW
Planned : Statutory outage : 22-Nov-16

Sizewell B
Reactor 1 : Nov-2017
Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 518 MW
At reduced load to repair a feed heater pipe support

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Not to mention that demand was only about 48 GW, unless things have
drmatically changed when it gets proper cold demand will be nearer 55
GW. Where is that 5+ GW going to come from at around 1800 in the
middle of winter?

Magic renewable pixie dust. Where else?

--
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a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

Dennis Miller

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons

I can see from WNN that they have a handful down for steel checks on the
pressure vessels, what others are off?

On 05/11/16 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons

I can see from WNN that they have a handful down for steel checks on the
pressure vessels, what others are off?

20 out of 58 are offline

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...lity-concerns/

"The discovery of widespread carbon segregation problems in critical
nuclear plant components has crippled the French power industry€”20 of
the countrys 58 reactors are currently offline and under heavy
scrutiny. Frances nuclear safety chairman said more anomalies €œwill
likely be found,€� as the extent of the contagion is still being uncovered."

"critics continued to push for a more stringent investigation. In
September 2015, the release of an independent evaluation conducted by
Large and Associates€”a UK-based engineering firm€”at the *request of
Greenpeace France* really blew the doors open."


EDF says., sure there are issues, but they are not relevant to safety
per se'

Then Greenpeace commissions a report to find different.

In the current left leaning anti-nuclear EU climate, that's enough to
shut down one third of Frances nukes.


--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

EDF says., sure there are issues, but they are not relevant to
safety per se' Then Greenpeace commissions a report to find
different.

Hadn't spotted that, I guess all the above, plus the coal plants we've
shut in the last year or two, explains why the big6 aren't exactly
drowning us with fixed tariff offers as per the last few years?

Get fracking boys!

On 11/5/2016 11:09 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/11/16 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons

I can see from WNN that they have a handful down for steel checks on the
pressure vessels, what others are off?

20 out of 58 are offline

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...lity-concerns/


"The discovery of widespread carbon segregation problems in critical
nuclear plant components has crippled the French power industry€”20 of
the countrys 58 reactors are currently offline and under heavy
scrutiny. Frances nuclear safety chairman said more anomalies €œwill
likely be found,€� as the extent of the contagion is still being uncovered."

"critics continued to push for a more stringent investigation. In
September 2015, the release of an independent evaluation conducted by
Large and Associates€”a UK-based engineering firm€”at the *request of
Greenpeace France* really blew the doors open."


EDF says., sure there are issues, but they are not relevant to safety
per se'

Then Greenpeace commissions a report to find different.

In the current left leaning anti-nuclear EU climate, that's enough to
shut down one third of Frances nukes.


This is the down-side to having highly standardised plant, compared to
the UK approach where almost every site is completely different. It has
bitten the French once or twice before, but on the whole their track
record has been pretty good. I'm confident that the French regulator
will be as thorough as ours, so I'm not worried about exploding plant.
But it could be *very* expensive if they can't find a fix. I assume they
will start with a combination of sampling and modelling.

On 08/11/16 13:47, newshound wrote:
On 11/5/2016 11:09 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/11/16 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons

I can see from WNN that they have a handful down for steel checks on the
pressure vessels, what others are off?

20 out of 58 are offline

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...lity-concerns/



"The discovery of widespread carbon segregation problems in critical
nuclear plant components has crippled the French power industry€”20 of
the countrys 58 reactors are currently offline and under heavy
scrutiny. Frances nuclear safety chairman said more anomalies €œwill
likely be found,€� as the extent of the contagion is still being
uncovered."

"critics continued to push for a more stringent investigation. In
September 2015, the release of an independent evaluation conducted by
Large and Associates€”a UK-based engineering firm€”at the *request of
Greenpeace France* really blew the doors open."


EDF says., sure there are issues, but they are not relevant to safety
per se'

Then Greenpeace commissions a report to find different.

In the current left leaning anti-nuclear EU climate, that's enough to
shut down one third of Frances nukes.


This is the down-side to having highly standardised plant, compared to
the UK approach where almost every site is completely different.

No. its the downside of having a massively politicised nuclear regulator
who responds to pressure from Greenpeace. Who are funded by anti-nuclear
interests

The situation with the French reactors is no worse than the graphite
cracking in the AGRs - basically there is an issue, its not serious and
can be dealt with during standard statutory inspections.

It has
bitten the French once or twice before, but on the whole their track
record has been pretty good. I'm confident that the French regulator
will be as thorough as ours, so I'm not worried about exploding plant.
But it could be *very* expensive if they can't find a fix. I assume they
will start with a combination of sampling and modelling.

You just replace any suspect parts. Or if that's too expensive signal
end of reactor life.

I'm confident that the French regulator will have been instructed
politically I'm confident that the French regulator to be far more
'thorough' than is necessary...



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its shoes.

En el artículo , Andy Burns
escribió:

I can see from WNN that they have a handful down for steel checks on the
pressure vessels, what others are off?

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...r-plants-down-
due-to-quality-concerns/

--
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(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

En el artículo , Mike Tomlinson
escribió:

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...r-plants-down-
due-to-quality-concerns/

and despite that, we've been importing 2GW from the French
interconnector (i.e. running at full pelt) for the last few days.

--
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(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On Sunday, 6 November 2016 11:00:49 UTC, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Mike Tomlinson
escribió:

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...r-plants-down-
due-to-quality-concerns/

and despite that, we've been importing 2GW from the French
interconnector (i.e. running at full pelt) for the last few days.


Wind is doing well today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwkAVglXcAAySv9.jpg

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

we've been importing 2GW from the French
interconnector (i.e. running at full pelt) for the last few days.

Actually in the last month, it seems to have swung both ways rather than
its "normal" full-blown import mode.

En el artículo , Andy Burns
escribió:

Actually in the last month, it seems to have swung both ways rather than
its "normal" full-blown import mode.

OK, ta. Just noted the last couple days it seemed to be all one way -
in our direction. Seems odd with the French having so many nukes down.

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(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On 06/11/16 11:00, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Mike Tomlinson
escribió:

http://www.powermag.com/frances-nucl...r-plants-down-
due-to-quality-concerns/

and despite that, we've been importing 2GW from the French
interconnector (i.e. running at full pelt) for the last few days.


AS usual, wrong.


(i) No, we havent.
(ii) Saturdays and Sundays are low demand days.

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

En el artículo , Chris Hogg
escribió:

Hardly full pelt.

I has been when I've looked, but see my reply to Andy.

Up and down like a whores drawers. We've quite
regularly been exporting up to 2GW to them in recent weeks.

Ta.

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On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 11:48:12 AM UTC, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Chris Hogg
escribió:

Hardly full pelt.

I has been when I've looked, but see my reply to Andy.

Up and down like a whores drawers. We've quite
regularly been exporting up to 2GW to them in recent weeks.

Ta.

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(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

"I has been"

retard

On 04/11/16 12:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

..a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

In fact La Nina hasn't really kicked in yet. It bottoms out about 12
months after El Nino peaks (or it did for the 2007-2008 combination),
so sometime around January! That'll be fun. Have we got enough OCGT's
to cope?

Nope. Not with half Frances nukes grounded.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Euroclots and the other Cnuts.



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a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

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And of course people like myself in a more promising energy era had storage
heaters and have no gas, so when it goes, presumably we all freez to death?
Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/11/16 12:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

..a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

In fact La Nina hasn't really kicked in yet. It bottoms out about 12
months after El Nino peaks (or it did for the 2007-2008 combination),
so sometime around January! That'll be fun. Have we got enough OCGT's
to cope?

Nope. Not with half Frances nukes grounded.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Euroclots and the other Cnuts.



--
"Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a
car with the cramped public exposure of ?an airplane."

Dennis Miller

On 05/11/16 10:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
And of course people like myself in a more promising energy era had storage
heaters and have no gas, so when it goes, presumably we all freez to death?
Brian

Yep. It goes under 'deaths due to climate change' because the energy
policy is allegedly there because of climate change, and it being cold
in winter, when all the models say we should be subtropical by now, is
yet more evidence of 'climate change'

In fact there is almost nothing that can't be blamed on 'climate change'

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WR...lwarming2.html

:-)


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conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

Brian Gaff wrote

And of course people like myself in a more promising energy era had
storage heaters and have no gas, so when it goes, presumably we all freez
to death?

Nope. The worst you might have to do is go to bed and keep warm there.

Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/11/16 12:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

..a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their
nukes
are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is
a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold.

In fact La Nina hasn't really kicked in yet. It bottoms out about 12
months after El Nino peaks (or it did for the 2007-2008 combination),
so sometime around January! That'll be fun. Have we got enough OCGT's
to cope?

Nope. Not with half Frances nukes grounded.

OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash
the grid, Prices went sky high.

Thank you Miliband, Huhne Euroclots and the other Cnuts.



--
"Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of ?an airplane."

Dennis Miller