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...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and
doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
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On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts. For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. -- €œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an hypothesis!€ Mary Wollstonecraft |
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On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of maximum wholesale prices? |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. It's not proper cold, still up at 5 to 10 C average ish. There is only one nuke shutdown but there are three not working flat out. Heysham 1 Reactor 1 : Feb-2017 Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 307 MW Planned : Raising load following off-load refuelling : Reactor 2 : May-2018 Turbine Generator 2 : In service : 517 MW At reduced load to manage fuel temperatures Heysham 2 Reactor 8 : On outage Turbine Generator 8 : Offline : -18 MW Planned : Statutory outage : 22-Nov-16 Sizewell B Reactor 1 : Nov-2017 Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 518 MW At reduced load to repair a feed heater pipe support OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Not to mention that demand was only about 48 GW, unless things have drmatically changed when it gets proper cold demand will be nearer 55 GW. Where is that 5+ GW going to come from at around 1800 in the middle of winter? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 04/11/16 12:24, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of maximum wholesale prices? Depends whether you want to crash the grid or not...;-) -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels |
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On 04/11/16 12:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ..a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. In fact La Nina hasn't really kicked in yet. It bottoms out about 12 months after El Nino peaks (or it did for the 2007-2008 combination), so sometime around January! That'll be fun. Have we got enough OCGT's to cope? Nope. Not with half Frances nukes grounded. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Euroclots and the other Cnuts. -- €œSome people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€ Dennis Miller |
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On 04/11/16 13:14, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. It's not proper cold, still up at 5 to 10 C average ish. There is only one nuke shutdown but there are three not working flat out. Heysham 1 Reactor 1 : Feb-2017 Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 307 MW Planned : Raising load following off-load refuelling : Reactor 2 : May-2018 Turbine Generator 2 : In service : 517 MW At reduced load to manage fuel temperatures Heysham 2 Reactor 8 : On outage Turbine Generator 8 : Offline : -18 MW Planned : Statutory outage : 22-Nov-16 Sizewell B Reactor 1 : Nov-2017 Turbine Generator 1 : In service : 518 MW At reduced load to repair a feed heater pipe support OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Not to mention that demand was only about 48 GW, unless things have drmatically changed when it gets proper cold demand will be nearer 55 GW. Where is that 5+ GW going to come from at around 1800 in the middle of winter? Magic renewable pixie dust. Where else? -- €œSome people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€ Dennis Miller |
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On 04/11/16 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 12:24, GB wrote: On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of maximum wholesale prices? Depends whether you want to crash the grid or not...;-) Oh dear. ON the 10th November we are predicted to have -2GW reserve. In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... |
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On 04/11/2016 12:24, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 12:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. Does that mean I am getting a bargain when I only pay around 10p? Should I keep an eye on this and flick the immersion heater on at times of maximum wholesale prices? Sell it back to the grid at 76p :-) |
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On 04/11/2016 14:55, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. How does this work out? Aren't there industrial users who agree to be the first to be switched off? Are there enough of them? Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... I couldn't get it to work on chrome, either. |
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On Friday, 4 November 2016 12:18:04 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts. For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. My, that's nearly twice the price of first generation solar PV. How can this be? |
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On 04/11/16 14:55, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Here it's not flash, perhaps it detects whether you have flash and uses it? |
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On 04/11/16 17:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/11/16 14:55, Tim Watts wrote: On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Ah - explains it! (Google hates Flash) |
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Chris Hogg wrote:
I have flash set to ask me before using. It asked, I allowed. Using FF. Perhaps those using chrome who can't see the data have got flash set to 'never activate'. Using FF here, without no flash it reverts to using SVG, the graphs are interactive (you can enable/disable different data ranges per graph). This machine is a relatively lowly netbook, and if you have every table/graph enabled refreshing and scrolling can be lumpy. |
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On 04/11/16 18:11, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 17:59:58 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Tim Watts wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Here it's not flash, perhaps it detects whether you have flash and uses it? I have flash set to ask me before using. It asked, I allowed. Using FF. Perhaps those using chrome who can't see the data have got flash set to 'never activate'. Let's try... Nope. Chrome does have Flash enabled (and proven by Adobe's flash test site). By Chrome stubbornly refuses to load the BMreports data sections. Looks like "****ty old corporate website syndrome" :-| Nevermind, at least FF works... |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 16:56:18 +0000, GB wrote:
http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. How does this work out? Aren't there industrial users who agree to be the first to be switched off? Are there enough of them? I suspect they'll use SBR (Supplemental Balancing Reserve) before DSBR (Demand Side Balancing Reserve). We appear to have quite a lot of SBR this winter: http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Serv...ces/System-sec urity/Contingency-balancing-reserve/Operational-Information/ I add that up to 3.717 GW. 6 CCGT, 2 coal, 2 OCGT. Prices from 1.3p (+ extras) to 55p kWHr. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
GB wrote: How does this work out? Aren't there industrial users who agree to be the first to be switched off? Are there enough of them? I suspect they'll use SBR (Supplemental Balancing Reserve) before DSBR (Demand Side Balancing Reserve). Looks like predicted wind is getting windier, may come to nothing. |
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On 04/11/2016 18:34, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 16:56:18 +0000, GB wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. How does this work out? Aren't there industrial users who agree to be the first to be switched off? Are there enough of them? I suspect they'll use SBR (Supplemental Balancing Reserve) before DSBR (Demand Side Balancing Reserve). We appear to have quite a lot of SBR this winter: http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Serv...ces/System-sec urity/Contingency-balancing-reserve/Operational-Information/ I add that up to 3.717 GW. 6 CCGT, 2 coal, 2 OCGT. Prices from 1.3p (+ extras) to 55p kWHr. Does that mean I could put my bike on a stand, hitch a generator to it, and sell electricity at say 50p per kWhr at peak demand times, whilst getting very, very fit? |
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On 04/11/2016 18:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/11/16 18:11, Chris Hogg wrote: On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 17:59:58 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Tim Watts wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Here it's not flash, perhaps it detects whether you have flash and uses it? I have flash set to ask me before using. It asked, I allowed. Using FF. Perhaps those using chrome who can't see the data have got flash set to 'never activate'. Let's try... Nope. Chrome does have Flash enabled (and proven by Adobe's flash test site). By Chrome stubbornly refuses to load the BMreports data sections. Looks like "****ty old corporate website syndrome" :-| Nevermind, at least FF works... Well just to put your mind to rest neither edge or IE work with it. |
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dennis@home wrote:
Well just to put your mind to rest neither edge or IE work with it. It works in IE11 provided you add it to the compatibility view list, then enable flash ... I've not bothered with Edge |
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On 04/11/16 18:43, dennis@home wrote:
On 04/11/2016 18:26, Tim Watts wrote: Let's try... Nope. Chrome does have Flash enabled (and proven by Adobe's flash test site). By Chrome stubbornly refuses to load the BMreports data sections. Looks like "****ty old corporate website syndrome" :-| Nevermind, at least FF works... Well just to put your mind to rest neither edge or IE work with it. That IS impressive! |
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On 04/11/2016 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 That gives me a message saying the site contains malware. Bill |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Friday, 4 November 2016 12:18:04 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 04/11/16 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ...a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Eurclots and the other Cnuts. For interest, electricity wholesale prices peaked at 76p a unit last evening. And 86p the day before yesterday. My, that's nearly twice the price of first generation solar PV. How can this be? Because Britain was too stupid to have enough nukes. |
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On 04/11/16 22:37, Bill Wright wrote:
On 04/11/2016 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 That gives me a message saying the site contains malware. That probably because its all made out of flash. I very much doubt that it does. Bill -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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On 04/11/16 17:59, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Tim Watts wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Here it's not flash, perhaps it detects whether you have flash and uses it? What happens if you right click over the graphs? I get 'about adobe flash' etc etc. -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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On 04/11/16 18:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/11/16 17:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 04/11/16 14:55, Tim Watts wrote: On 04/11/16 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: In other words, we are ****ed. http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. Does this site not work with Chrome? I could only get data to load on firefox... Its all flash Ah - explains it! (Google hates Flash) Who doesn't? I got one email from someone who said that gridwatch was great because he could actually see the graphs on his I-phone which couldn't handle BM reports flash. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher |
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On 04/11/16 18:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote: I have flash set to ask me before using. It asked, I allowed. Using FF. Perhaps those using chrome who can't see the data have got flash set to 'never activate'. Using FF here, without no flash it reverts to using SVG, the graphs are interactive (you can enable/disable different data ranges per graph). Tyhat is rather 'modern' of them. Good though. SVGs are much better fir this sort of thing than flash. This machine is a relatively lowly netbook, and if you have every table/graph enabled refreshing and scrolling can be lumpy. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen |
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On 04/11/16 18:41, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2016 18:34, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 16:56:18 +0000, GB wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 Now minus 344MW - but still fecked. How does this work out? Aren't there industrial users who agree to be the first to be switched off? Are there enough of them? I suspect they'll use SBR (Supplemental Balancing Reserve) before DSBR (Demand Side Balancing Reserve). We appear to have quite a lot of SBR this winter: http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Serv...ces/System-sec urity/Contingency-balancing-reserve/Operational-Information/ I add that up to 3.717 GW. 6 CCGT, 2 coal, 2 OCGT. Prices from 1.3p (+ extras) to 55p kWHr. Does that mean I could put my bike on a stand, hitch a generator to it, and sell electricity at say 50p per kWhr at peak demand times, whilst getting very, very fit? In theory, yes. However at a likely output of at most 200W, that equates to 10p an hour. How much does *that* put the industrial revolution, with its replacement of manual labour and horse drawn transport, with fossil fuel, into perspective... -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen |
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On 05/11/16 09:19, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:17:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 04/11/16 22:37, Bill Wright wrote: On 04/11/2016 13:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#day_day_margin_2_14 That gives me a message saying the site contains malware. That probably because its all made out of flash. I very much doubt that it does. From a greenie's POV, all the data telling them that renewables just can't cut it is malware. Well that is true. -- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Its all flash Here it's not flash What happens if you right click over the graphs? Just the normal firefox context menu, same as clicking over other HTML I get 'about adobe flash' etc etc. I don't have the NPAPI flash plugin installed on this machine (just the ActiveX version that is baked-in to Win10/IE11/Edge) as far as firefox is concerned flash doesn't exist, i.e. not installed but disabled, rather not installed at all. The bmreports site must detect the lack of flash (perhaps via http request headers, or client side js) and substitutes a page that's drawn with SVG instead of flash. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: Google hates Flash Who doesn't? What do find it's necessary for these days? Youtube hasn't required it for a couple of years, iPlayer doesn't need it, main BBC news website has recently dropped it (previously you could fake the user agent to fool them anyway) I don't miss the adverts. |
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On 05/11/16 10:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
And of course people like myself in a more promising energy era had storage heaters and have no gas, so when it goes, presumably we all freez to death? Brian Yep. It goes under 'deaths due to climate change' because the energy policy is allegedly there because of climate change, and it being cold in winter, when all the models say we should be subtropical by now, is yet more evidence of 'climate change' In fact there is almost nothing that can't be blamed on 'climate change' http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WR...lwarming2.html :-) -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere" |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Using FF here, without no flash it reverts to using SVG Tyhat is rather 'modern' of them. Good though. SVGs are much better fir this sort of thing than flash. Seems to have been written that way (by Logica) in 2011 |
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On 05/11/16 10:06, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Its all flash Here it's not flash What happens if you right click over the graphs? Just the normal firefox context menu, same as clicking over other HTML I get 'about adobe flash' etc etc. I don't have the NPAPI flash plugin installed on this machine (just the ActiveX version that is baked-in to Win10/IE11/Edge) as far as firefox is concerned flash doesn't exist, i.e. not installed but disabled, rather not installed at all. The bmreports site must detect the lack of flash (perhaps via http request headers, or client side js) and substitutes a page that's drawn with SVG instead of flash. I think you are right. My guess is that there is some javascript library invoked that does all the heavy lifting. -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand. |
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On 05/11/16 10:10, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Tim Watts wrote: Google hates Flash Who doesn't? What do find it's necessary for these days? A lot of videos haven't been uprated to HTML5 and may never be. I play online bridge (bridgebase.com) and that whole program is written in Flash, not javascript. Who writes in COBOL these days? Yet a COBOL programmer can earn a very decent salary. Youtube hasn't required it for a couple of years, iPlayer doesn't need it, main BBC news website has recently dropped it (previously you could fake the user agent to fool them anyway) I don't miss the adverts. WEll it all depends where you hang out. I regard it as a necessary evil, like Windows, for certain things. -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand. |
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On 05/11/16 10:11, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Using FF here, without no flash it reverts to using SVG Tyhat is rather 'modern' of them. Good though. SVGs are much better fir this sort of thing than flash. Seems to have been written that way (by Logica) in 2011 Golly. You delved into it that far? -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand. |
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Brian Gaff wrote
And of course people like myself in a more promising energy era had storage heaters and have no gas, so when it goes, presumably we all freez to death? Nope. The worst you might have to do is go to bed and keep warm there. Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it. "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 04/11/16 12:27, Chris Hogg wrote: On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:14:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ..a by golly we are going to need it. Wind is crap, solar is crap and doesnt work after dark, francce is in deep **** because half their nukes are out fore political reasons (thank you EU) and as usual; Gemneany is a total ****ing mess, and La Nina means its bloody cold. In fact La Nina hasn't really kicked in yet. It bottoms out about 12 months after El Nino peaks (or it did for the 2007-2008 combination), so sometime around January! That'll be fun. Have we got enough OCGT's to cope? Nope. Not with half Frances nukes grounded. OCGTS fired up yesterday and the day before in an effort not to crash the grid, Prices went sky high. Thank you Miliband, Huhne Euroclots and the other Cnuts. -- "Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of ?an airplane." Dennis Miller |
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