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Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks.
TS Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? TS Droid; Blank expression. Popped next door to Screwfix. SF Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? SF Droid; Blank expression. On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
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David Lang wrote:
Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. TS Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? TS Droid; Blank expression. Popped next door to Screwfix. SF Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? SF Droid; Blank expression. Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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Chris J Dixon wrote:
David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. TS Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? TS Droid; Blank expression. Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Maybe they're all keyed identical, rather than in matched pairs? |
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I was just thinking that actually. I can recall a while back that one
particular law enforcement organisation in a small country bought some handcuffs which seemed a great bargain, and indeed were very sturdy and nice. Only problem was the keys were all the same and were easy to make. There is no wonder a lot of police forces now use a form of plastic zip ties as they are cheaper and no worse than a handcuff with duplicate keys in the end. I'm sure this is the answer to the locks as well. I remember a little while ago having lost the key to a padlock, I opened it with a bit of bent wire. Hardly secure, but I suppose it discourages the casual theif. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Chris J Dixon wrote: David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. TS Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? TS Droid; Blank expression. Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Maybe they're all keyed identical, rather than in matched pairs? |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:04:41 UTC+1, Chris J Dixon wrote:
David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. TS Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? TS Droid; Blank expression. Popped next door to Screwfix. SF Droid; We only have one in stock. TMH; What's the point in only having one keyed alike padlock? SF Droid; Blank expression. Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Might be useful at the paralympics. |
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On Monday, 26 September 2016 12:24:33 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Might be useful at the paralympics. There are quite a lot of people who need one shoe, or a mismatched size pair. Owain |
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On Monday, 26 September 2016 13:14:47 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
I'll stand up and say I have more than the average number of legs. Having more than the average number of legs certainly helps with standing up. Owain |
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On 26/09/16 13:14, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 26/09/16 13:01, wrote: On Monday, 26 September 2016 12:24:33 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote: Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Might be useful at the paralympics. There are quite a lot of people who need one shoe, or a mismatched size pair. I'll stand up and say I have more than the average number of legs. You cheated amd left out the centipedes -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin |
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On Monday, 26 September 2016 13:01:52 UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, 26 September 2016 12:24:33 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote: Isn't that rather like trying to sell a single sock? Might be useful at the paralympics. There are quite a lot of people who need one shoe, or a mismatched size pair. Owain Yeah but not usually in one convient place all together at the same time, it'd be worth having a stall. |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:00:52 UTC+1, David Lang wrote:
Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Used a self service in Ljubljana last June, bought some ibuprofen, had to wait 5 mins for authorisation barcode to be flashed by supervisor, loose fruit - had to wait for somebody to weigh them, bottle of Cava - had to wait for 10 mins for more authorisation. Waste of time. |
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David Lang wrote:
Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Probably under 'B' for button mushrooms, or if they're as idiosyncratic as other supermarket self-checkouts (actually the newer Morrison tills seem to have been upgraded to quad-hamster power, so they can keep up with you). |
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On 24/09/16 17:00, David Lang wrote:
On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Morrison's bread rolls filed only under Pick n Mix. Another Dave -- Change nospam to techie |
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Of course it was some years ago when these self service scanners first came
out that I used to do my own shopping. I could not use the self scanner due to the touch screen etc, but every time I asked for some help they merely pointed me back to the self service till. I do think that some people who work in shops have some kind of common sense removal done before they are allowed to talk to a customer, in case they actually perceive the obvious. I recently had this same issue at both a doctors surgery and a hospital outpatients desk. Stand with whit cane in front of reception, droid says, rather busy use the computer log in. Doh..... Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Another Dave" wrote in message ... On 24/09/16 17:00, David Lang wrote: On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Morrison's bread rolls filed only under Pick n Mix. Another Dave -- Change nospam to techie |
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On 25/09/16 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Of course it was some years ago when these self service scanners first came out that I used to do my own shopping. I could not use the self scanner due to the touch screen etc, but every time I asked for some help they merely pointed me back to the self service till. I do think that some people who work in shops have some kind of common sense removal done before they are allowed to talk to a customer, in case they actually perceive the obvious. I recently had this same issue at both a doctors surgery and a hospital outpatients desk. Stand with whit cane in front of reception, droid says, rather busy use the computer log in. Doh..... Brian At that point, if I were in your position, I would **** the numskull with my white stick and ask "what colour is this stick" - and possibly following with "Are you blind?" just for some self righteous irony |
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On 9/25/2016 9:43 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/09/16 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote: Of course it was some years ago when these self service scanners first came out that I used to do my own shopping. I could not use the self scanner due to the touch screen etc, but every time I asked for some help they merely pointed me back to the self service till. I do think that some people who work in shops have some kind of common sense removal done before they are allowed to talk to a customer, in case they actually perceive the obvious. I recently had this same issue at both a doctors surgery and a hospital outpatients desk. Stand with whit cane in front of reception, droid says, rather busy use the computer log in. Doh..... Brian At that point, if I were in your position, I would **** the numskull with my white stick and ask "what colour is this stick" - and possibly following with "Are you blind?" just for some self righteous irony +1 |
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In article , Another Dave
writes On 24/09/16 17:00, David Lang wrote: On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Morrison's bread rolls filed only under Pick n Mix. Another Dave M&S French Apricot turnovers filed under Danish Pastries. -- bert |
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bert wrote: In article , Another Dave writes On 24/09/16 17:00, David Lang wrote: On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Morrison's bread rolls filed only under Pick n Mix. Another Dave M&S French Apricot turnovers filed under Danish Pastries. Newcastle Brown with a "Product of EU" under it on the shelf. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 27/09/2016 17:26, charles wrote:
In article , bert wrote: In article , Another Dave writes On 24/09/16 17:00, David Lang wrote: On the way home I did some shopping in Morrisons & used the self scan checkouts. Bag of loose mushrooms. placed on scale bit, touched fresh veg icon on screen. Selected "L-M" icon which had a picture of a mushroom on it. Screen opens, no mushrooms listed. Spotted a search option, typed in MUS and before I can finish typing a message appears "MUS doesn't match any items". Attracted the attention of a Morrisons person, who did exactly what I did - twice, with the same results. He disappears & returns with a code number - the machine finally gives in and admits that mushrooms actually exist. Morrison's bread rolls filed only under Pick n Mix. Another Dave M&S French Apricot turnovers filed under Danish Pastries. Newcastle Brown with a "Product of EU" under it on the shelf. Perfectly true statement - for now. |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:00:52 UTC+1, David Lang wrote:
Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. I popped into Wickes for some waste pipe. None on the display. Ask at the counter: computer says yes; they have 10 in stock. Human goes to the back to find them: human phones the counter; none in stock. I ask when they will *actually* be getting any more in and it might be 2-3 weeks. Unlikely to be shoplifters as it's quite hard to shoplift 3 metre lengths of wastepipe I would have thought. They also only sell the clips in packs of 2. Oh well, that's a job I don't need to do and a shower I can't have this weekend. Owain |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 18:29:04 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
Do you not have a SF or TS? I have an SF but not conveniently located when leaving Wickes unsatisfied. Owain |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 21:21:26 UTC+1, Joe Biden wrote:
What a pity that so few of you ever get to share your unlimited wisdom from the other side of the counter. I wouldn't say twelve years of retail experience is unlimited wisdom but in that time I did manage to work out that customers like to see stock out on the shop floor. Sometimes they even buy it. I can't fault the staff at the shop for helpfulness but their stock control from head office is abysmal. Owain |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 21:54:59 UTC+1, Joe Biden wrote:
Twelve years is it, what an old soldier you are. I suppose you believe that your imagined vast experience allows you to disparagingly refer to a lowly store assistant as the 'human'. In contradistinction to 'computer', and you're the one describing him as lowly, not me. Owain |
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On Saturday, 24 September 2016 21:21:26 UTC+1, Joe Biden wrote: On 24-Sep-16 5:57 PM, wrote: On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:00:52 UTC+1, David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. I popped into Wickes for some waste pipe. None on the display. Ask at the counter: computer says yes; they have 10 in stock. Human goes to the back to find them: human phones the counter; none in stock. I ask when they will *actually* be getting any more in and it might be 2-3 weeks. Unlikely to be shoplifters as it's quite hard to shoplift 3 metre lengths of wastepipe I would have thought. They also only sell the clips in packs of 2. Oh well, that's a job I don't need to do and a shower I can't have this weekend. Owain I can only feel sorry for the people who have to deal with such smartarses as you lot here. What a pity that so few of you ever get to share your unlimited wisdom from the other side of the counter. The people working in these places are just box shifters and/or schoolboys. In days of yore at proper shops, you could talk to someone with decades of experience. Would that someone be something like the shopkeeper Arkwright out of Open All Hours? |
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: snip In days of yore at proper shops, you could talk to someone with decades of experience. But we just stopped bothering with them and went to bigger places where we could park and get the stuff off the shelves ourselves? Same with model shops where they stopped selling 'kits' because few were buying them and went over the RTR (ready to run) models that people could often buy cheaper and get easier off the Internet (and so the model shops closed or went 'mail order'). These models were also considered 'disposable' and the owners didn't know how to repair them even if the parts were available. So now the 'experience' is in places like this where 'the people' try and help each other. Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote: In days of yore at proper shops, you could talk to someone with decades of experience. But we just stopped bothering with them and went to bigger places where we could park and get the stuff off the shelves ourselves? And I'm sure many remember going to, say, a plumber's merchant (etc) knowing what you wanted - but perhaps not the correct term for it. And getting that superior look from the sales droid who may have known the correct term but didn't have a clue on how to actually use the part. So much easier to select it yourself from the shelf or catalogue. And to be (fairly) certain they have what you want before even going there. Other thing was getting stuck behind someone who wanted to see everything and the alternatives before buying. Give me self service every day. Especially click and collect, if it works as intended. -- *I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Is this the same Wickes who no longer describe some doors as doors,
something about enclosure entry systems or something. Doors have to be the standard sizes to be doors. I'm sure this has now been sorted out,but these sort of errors creep in due to the person putting stuff on the computer not realising exactly what the items are. as for quaantity errors. these do seem very common. I wanted a particular vacuum from John Lewis a while back the computer told them they had three, but all they could find was three sets of bags. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! wrote in message ... On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:00:52 UTC+1, David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. I popped into Wickes for some waste pipe. None on the display. Ask at the counter: computer says yes; they have 10 in stock. Human goes to the back to find them: human phones the counter; none in stock. I ask when they will *actually* be getting any more in and it might be 2-3 weeks. Unlikely to be shoplifters as it's quite hard to shoplift 3 metre lengths of wastepipe I would have thought. They also only sell the clips in packs of 2. Oh well, that's a job I don't need to do and a shower I can't have this weekend. Owain |
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On 25/09/2016 09:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
Is this the same Wickes who no longer describe some doors as doors, something about enclosure entry systems or something. Doors have to be the standard sizes to be doors. I'm sure this has now been sorted out,but these sort of errors creep in due to the person putting stuff on the computer not realising exactly what the items are. as for quaantity errors. these do seem very common. I wanted a particular vacuum from John Lewis a while back the computer told them they had three, but all they could find was three sets of bags. Easy to do. I bought a pair of size 9 shoes. At least the box said size 9. Got home and found that the shoes in the box were size 10. Returned them. Assistant insisted on checking back in one pair of size 10 and checking out a pair of size 9. Stock system now one pair of size 9 down and one pair of size 10 up. |
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On Monday, 26 September 2016 09:58:17 UTC+1, Andrew May wrote:
Surely it will be automatically ordered by the computerised stock control system when the current stock level drops below eight :-) Of course! So what I need to do is buy three non-existent lengths and then take them back for a refund next week, then I can buy an existent length. On second thoughts I'll just go to screwfix... Owain |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . At Morrison's last week: Me (to M-girlie): Where can I find condensed milk. M-girlie: What's condensed milk? Me: It comes in tins and is very sweet. M-girlie (after some of what passes for thought) then points me at the shelf with long-life milk. Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. How is that the young assistant's fault ? You went into a shop hoping to buy condensed milk. The fact that the management didn't explain to you what she wanted it for, before sending you to the shop for the condensed milk is hardly the fault of the assistant is it ? If you, the person actually buying the condensed milk, didn't already know it what it was to be used for and that it could be found with the other stuff used for making puddings/desserts, how could the young assistant be expected to know this ? Or do you really expect lowly paid supermarket staff, of whatever age to be intimately familiar with every item stocked along with all their possible uses ? Maybe a bit more thought before posting next time ? HTH |
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"Moron Watch" wrote in message ... "Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . At Morrison's last week: Me (to M-girlie): Where can I find condensed milk. M-girlie: What's condensed milk? Me: It comes in tins and is very sweet. M-girlie (after some of what passes for thought) then points me at the shelf with long-life milk. Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. How is that the young assistant's fault ? You went into a shop hoping to buy condensed milk. The fact that the management didn't explain to you what she wanted it for, before sending you to the shop for the condensed milk is hardly the fault of the assistant is it ? If you, the person actually buying the condensed milk, didn't already know it what it was to be used for Its used for a lot more than just that. and that it could be found with the other stuff used for making puddings/desserts, how could the young assistant be expected to know this ? By remembering where they saw it when restocking the shelves with their brain in gear. Or do you really expect lowly paid supermarket staff, of whatever age to be intimately familiar with every item stocked along with all their possible uses ? No, but I do expect they would have been involved in stocking the shelves. Maybe a bit more thought before posting next time ? You too. HTH It didn’t. I had the same problem with those Fray Bentos pies in flat tins only a bit more than an inch high. None of the store staff knew what they were, even the older women, even when I showed them a picture of them on the phone. |
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On Sunday, 25 September 2016 16:51:23 UTC+1, Moron Watch wrote:
Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. If you, the person actually buying the condensed milk, didn't already know it what it was to be used for and that it could be found with the other stuff used for making puddings/desserts, how could the young assistant be expected to know this ? The stuff for making puddings/desserts is in a different place from the stuff for home baking. None are anywhere near the bananas if you're making banoffee pie. I had similar problems once finding treacle. Owain |
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wrote in message ... On Sunday, 25 September 2016 16:51:23 UTC+1, Moron Watch wrote: Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. If you, the person actually buying the condensed milk, didn't already know it what it was to be used for and that it could be found with the other stuff used for making puddings/desserts, how could the young assistant be expected to know this ? The stuff for making puddings/desserts is in a different place from the stuff for home baking. None are anywhere near the bananas if you're making banoffee pie. I had similar problems once finding treacle. And its all academic now with the best of the supermarkets that have their own app so you can just look the location on your phone. |
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On 25/09/16 19:47, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Moron Watch wrote: "Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . At Morrison's last week: Me (to M-girlie): Where can I find condensed milk. M-girlie: What's condensed milk? Me: It comes in tins and is very sweet. M-girlie (after some of what passes for thought) then points me at the shelf with long-life milk. Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. How is that the young assistant's fault ? I would have expected a general assistant (i.e. not say someone working in the meat dept), to have heard of condensed milk and know what it is. It's hardly an obscure product. Anyhing used in food preparation is an obscure product these days. IN my local supermarket the area devoted to 'making and baking' is tiny compared to e.g. te area where crisps and snacks are,. or indeed the area where pre-made sweets and desserts are. You went into a shop hoping to buy condensed milk. The fact that the management didn't explain to you what she wanted it for, before sending you to the shop for the condensed milk is hardly the fault of the assistant is it ? I knew what the management wanted it for. Otherwise, see above. If you, the person actually buying the condensed milk, didn't already know it what it was to be used for and that it could be found with the other stuff used for making puddings/desserts, how could the young assistant be expected to know this ? See above. Or do you really expect lowly paid supermarket staff, of whatever age to be intimately familiar with every item stocked along with all their possible uses ? Yes. How naive.... HTH No. Try harder next time why don't you. Alternatively, you could go and dance a hornpipe. -- "If you dont read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain |
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On 24/09/16 21:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , wrote: On Saturday, 24 September 2016 17:00:52 UTC+1, David Lang wrote: Popped into Toolstation for two keyed alike padlocks. I popped into Wickes for some waste pipe. None on the display. Ask at the counter: computer says yes; they have 10 in stock. Human goes to the back to find them: human phones the counter; none in stock. At Morrison's last week: Me (to M-girlie): Where can I find condensed milk. M-girlie: What's condensed milk? Me: It comes in tins and is very sweet. M-girlie (after some of what passes for thought) then points me at the shelf with long-life milk. Later I ask an older assistant, who correctly points me at the section with stuff for making puddings/desserts. Now try asking them for a squash.... -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |