I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my property
in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous owner. But as I'm
now considering getting rid of it and building a bigger one, was concerned
about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)


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I always did. From the 60s to now, but need to get a person in I think as
not being able to see the wire colours could be a little dodgy!
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"Simon T" wrote in message
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I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous owner.
But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a bigger one,
was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)


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On Sunday, 18 September 2016 09:33:17 UTC+1, Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my property
in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous owner. But as I'm
now considering getting rid of it and building a bigger one, was concerned
about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

In 2000 I wired up my outdoor 9.5 kW sauna directly to the fuse box so I am in the clear.

In article ,
Simon Mason writes:
On Sunday, 18 September 2016 09:33:17 UTC+1, Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my property
in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous owner. But as I'm
now considering getting rid of it and building a bigger one, was concerned
about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

In 2000 I wired up my outdoor 9.5 kW sauna directly to the fuse box so I am in the clear.

I got my new CU and outdoor sockets finished shortly before Part P
came in. I'd had the bits for over a year, so it did push me into
finishing the job.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Simon Mason writes:

In 2000 I wired up my outdoor 9.5 kW sauna directly to the fuse
box so I am in the clear.

I got my new CU and outdoor sockets finished shortly before Part P
came in. I'd had the bits for over a year, so it did push me into
finishing the job.

I genuinely fitted mine on 31/12/2004.

"Simon T" wrote in message
...
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

April 2013, but only in England.

On 18/09/2016 10:14, ARW wrote:
"Simon T" wrote in message
...
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered by
Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

April 2013, but only in England.


"It also applies to building work carried out on excepted energy
buildings in Wales as defined in the Welsh Ministers (Transfer of
Functions) (No. 2) Order 2009."

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On 18/09/2016 09:33, Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered
by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

With the 2013 revision of the part P doc. It also made a number of other
sensible changes, and a general watering down of the dafter requirements.

See:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Part_P

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous owner.
But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a bigger one,
was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)




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On 18/09/2016 09:33, Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer covered
by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

It didn't. Domestic electrical work outdoors (outbuildings, in gardens
and outdoor lighting, etc.) is still in-scope of Part P - i.e. it must
be safe in respect of electric shock and fire risks.

What changed in 2013 is that the range of work deemed to be notifiable
was significantly reduced. Only the following are notifiable now:

- installation of a new circuit (presumably meaning either a
distribution circuit (submain) or a final circuit;

- the replacement of a consumer unit (but not the installation of a new
one, in a new shed, for instance...)

- any work within the zones in a bath/shower room, or in a swimming pool
or sauna.

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"Andy Wade" wrote in message ...
the replacement of a consumer unit (but not the installation of a new one,
in a new shed, for instance...)

So, if I wanted to, I could wire a new consumer unit into my shed, direct
from the one in the house and I wouldn't have to notify the council?

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On 18/09/2016 13:10, Simon T wrote:
"Andy Wade" wrote in message ...
the replacement of a consumer unit (but not the installation of a new
one, in a new shed, for instance...)

So, if I wanted to, I could wire a new consumer unit into my shed,
direct from the one in the house and I wouldn't have to notify the council?

If you already have the submain to the shed, then yes. If you need to
install a new circuit from the house CU then it would still be notifiable.

(having said all this, its a bit of a moot point since conversations
with BCOs seem to indicate the number of applications that they get for
standalone electrical jobs is typically zero!)


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On 18/09/2016 13:20, John Rumm wrote:

(having said all this, its a bit of a moot point since conversations
with BCOs seem to indicate the number of applications that they get for
standalone electrical jobs is typically zero!)

Odd that... :~)

The only Part P prosecutions I know of have been for seriously dangerous
work by cowboy tradesmen, who (IMHO) deserve all they get.

If you know what you're doing, your work is safe and complies with the
fundamental rules in BS 7671 then you will have complied with the
essential requirements of Part P.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
If you already have the submain to the shed, then yes. If you need to
install a new circuit from the house CU then it would still be notifiable.


Oh right, I thought new circuits to outside buildings weren't notifiable?

So, if I had no electric to my shed and wanted to run power to it, I'd have
to take it from a spur from an existing circuit then?

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On 18/09/2016 15:56, Simon T wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
If you already have the submain to the shed, then yes. If you need to
install a new circuit from the house CU then it would still be
notifiable.


Oh right, I thought new circuits to outside buildings weren't notifiable?

So, if I had no electric to my shed and wanted to run power to it, I'd
have to take it from a spur from an existing circuit then?

Yup, that's the part P way - its ok to bodge it, but doing it properly
incurs an exercise in paperwork. ;-)

You could (reading the letter of the approved doc) also install a whole
new CU from split tails, just for your garden feed, since that would not
be a replacement! (although you may not be able to install new circuits
from that ;-)

Personally, I find the grin and ignore it approach works well ;-)


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And nobody gives a toss. Having just moved house, Part 'P' was never
mentioned, either in the sale or purchase.

But you were not buying from or selling to dennis.

On 18/09/2016 13:29, Huge wrote:

And nobody gives a toss. Having just moved house, Part 'P' was never
mentioned, either in the sale or purchase.

"oohhh but what about the insurance?"

I say..... IDGAF

no-one gives a toss about poxy bit's of part-p paper apart from those
making money from issuing them and those making money selling sh1t to
those issuing them.

One big government backed scam like everything where the council is
party to it's "legislation"

"Simon T" wrote in message
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"Andy Wade" wrote in message ...
the replacement of a consumer unit (but not the installation of a new
one, in a new shed, for instance...)

So, if I wanted to, I could wire a new consumer unit into my shed, direct
from the one in the house and I wouldn't have to notify the council?

But you cannot add any circuits to the new CU without notification. However
the Part P Police do not exist.

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Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

In article ,
Phil L wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

charles wrote:
In article ,
Phil L wrote:
You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the
corner ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

Not really, no one cares.
If, by a slight chance, the buyer insists on tests being done, the outside
electrics are simply disconnected before anyone arrives to perform the
testing

On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article ,
Phil L wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

No "potential" problem I can foresee.

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

In article , Fredxxx wrote:
On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Phil L
wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the
corner ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

No "potential" problem I can foresee.

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

strange way of looking at it. Many buyers would simply walk away. That
puts the problem on the vendor's lap.

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On 18/09/2016 17:25, charles wrote:
In article , Fredxxx wrote:
On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Phil L
wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the
corner ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

No "potential" problem I can foresee.

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

strange way of looking at it. Many buyers would simply walk away. That
puts the problem on the vendor's lap.

A difficult purchaser might well walk away, but generally once a mind is
set on a property minor things like Part P compliance is a long way down
the list of importance.

Most house surveys suggest an appropriate gas and electric survey in any
case.

YMMV

charles wrote:
In article , Fredxxx
wrote:
On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Phil L
wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into
my property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the
previous owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and
building a bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with
the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the
corner ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

No "potential" problem I can foresee.

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

strange way of looking at it. Many buyers would simply walk away.
That puts the problem on the vendor's lap.

No one's going to walk away from a £200,000 house because there's a £20
circuit breaker missing from the shed.

On 18/09/2016 17:25, charles wrote:
In article , Fredxxx wrote:
On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Phil L
wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the
corner ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

No "potential" problem I can foresee.

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

strange way of looking at it. Many buyers would simply walk away.

Seems unlikely - especially in the current sellers market.

That
puts the problem on the vendor's lap.

Its pretty much a non issue these days.


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On 18/09/16 17:25, charles wrote:
In article , Fredxxx wrote:
On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Phil L
wrote:

If after the solicitation of a conveyancer and a house survey, any
perceived problem is with the buyer if the seller can't produce an
appropriate sheet of paper or a certificate.

strange way of looking at it. Many buyers would simply walk away. That
puts the problem on the vendor's lap.

There are always other buyers, if someone walks away then the lack of
paperwork is just an excuse, not a real reason.


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On 18/09/16 16:22, charles wrote:
In article ,
Phil L wrote:

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.


I've just sold and bought; solicitors may note the absence of all sorts
of paper-work, you then tell them not to bother, they then write to the
other party "my client is willing to take a view€¦" Nobody cares

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Huge wrote:

DJC wrote:

I've just sold and bought; solicitors may note the absence of all sorts
of paper-work, you then tell them not to bother

You just say "There's no paperwork for 'x'" (FENSA certificates
are the "best" example for that)

Actually FENSA certificates are the worst example for that, because you
can search by postcode/house number whether a certificate was ever
issued and pay to receive a replacement if you care.

and everyone just says "OK" and gets on with their lives.

That's true enough though.

On 19/09/16 13:10, Huge wrote:
On 2016-09-19, Andy Burns wrote:
Huge wrote:

DJC wrote:

I've just sold and bought; solicitors may note the absence of all sorts
of paper-work, you then tell them not to bother

You just say "There's no paperwork for 'x'" (FENSA certificates
are the "best" example for that)

Actually FENSA certificates are the worst example for that, because you
can search by postcode/house number whether a certificate was ever
issued and pay to receive a replacement if you care.

Good grief. Who gives enough of a **** to do that?


The buyer's solicitor in a probate sale I had to oversee...

I think that's the nub - the buyer doesn't care. It's the bloody
solicitors who panic them into whining. In the case of a probate sale
that needs to be done fast (empty property) it was more expedient to go
on the FENSA site and pay and download a copy.

Yes, it's a load of stupid ********.

In exchange for (but wholly unrelated to) my diligence, I had a sale
that missed completion by 2 weeks! Boy, did they pay for that in late
completion penalties! I was *this* close to declaring them in breach of
contract and keeping the deposit.

The point being, they were quite happy to **** about with trivia like
FENSA certs, but could not manage the slightly bigger issue of producing
money on time!

On 18/09/2016 16:22, charles wrote:

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.


No it doesn't.
You say "do you want to buy the house or not?"

If they say "not without valid Gas Safe and Part-P paperwork" where
applicable)

I'd personally tell them an extra £10k on the price and all certificates
would be provided or they buy "sold as seen" or they **** of and buy
someone else's' house.

No problem, no solution required.

On 18/09/2016 18:11, Huge wrote:
On 2016-09-18, charles wrote:
In article ,
Phil L wrote:
Simon T wrote:
I've just read online that electrical work outside is no longer
covered by Part P of the Electrical regs.

When did this happen then????

Kind of relieved as my shed, which I inherited when I moved into my
property in 2005, already had electrics wired up by the previous
owner. But as I'm now considering getting rid of it and building a
bigger one, was concerned about tinkering about with the supply.

So I guess I can do what I like out there now? :-)

You always could, the electricity police aren't waiting around the corner
ready to pounce on anyone breaking the rules

But, a potential problem arises when you come to sell your house.

Naah. No-one gives a stuff.


So I guess mine is really bad news. I plug the electrics for my shed
(when ocassionaly required) in to a socket in my porch, the cable goes
outdoors overhead suspended on a wire to my shed.
If I need to sell will just unplug and rip the cable down.

ss wrote:
So I guess mine is really bad news. I plug the electrics for my shed
(when ocassionaly required) in to a socket in my porch, the cable goes
outdoors overhead suspended on a wire to my shed.
If I need to sell will just unplug and rip the cable down.

My neice has exactly this setup in place permanently. She runs a chest
freezer and a tumble drier from it, and it's been plugged in for over 6
years without trouble.

"Phil L" wrote in message ...
ss wrote:
So I guess mine is really bad news. I plug the electrics for my shed
(when ocassionaly required) in to a socket in my porch, the cable goes
outdoors overhead suspended on a wire to my shed.
If I need to sell will just unplug and rip the cable down.

My neice has exactly this setup in place permanently. She runs a chest
freezer and a tumble drier from it, and it's been plugged in for over 6
years without trouble.

As I understood it, provided the supply was plugged in and not wired in, it
was classed as a portable appliance and not notifyable anyway? S

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On 18/09/2016 20:09, ss wrote:


So I guess mine is really bad news. I plug the electrics for my shed
(when ocassionaly required) in to a socket in my porch, the cable goes
outdoors overhead suspended on a wire to my shed.
If I need to sell will just unplug and rip the cable down.

The really bad news is that, had it not been for Part-P, you'd probably
have done it properly - and far more safely!
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