Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

On 05/09/16 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?




--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 05/09/2016 22:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?


I have no experience of Linux ... do you know if there are any guides
anywhere on how to do this.
I do have:
Linux OS winboot and Hirens disks.

On 06/09/16 12:33, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?


I have no experience of Linux ... do you know if there are any guides
anywhere on how to do this.
I do have:
Linux OS winboot and Hirens disks.



Basically get a linux mint style .iso.,
https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

and instruction manual

https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation.php

burn a dvd, insert in DVD drive and boot.

Then you have linux with no disk involved running on the system - all in RAM

at this point there should be some GUI tools available (Disk Thing) to
inspect what drives if any are attached to the system.

The possible outcomes of this are

- No drive appears to be connected at all. You are ****ed. Maybe a new
PCB will work

- a drive is connected, (/dev/sd??? exists) but is not mountable. You
might try fscking it. but first off you do a sector level copy onto
something else.

(dd if=/dev/sdwhatever of=/home/myname/myy****eddisk.image)

IN fact a sector level copy is all you need off such a disk. You can
then try and either fix that to be mountable, or try and grab data off
it anyway.

- a drive is connected, and mountable. At this point you can try reading
it file by file. Some will work, some will not.





--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

For backup I use Crashplan to backup everything automatically to a local HDD and their Cloud. It works very well and the data is encrypted. In case of software failure (ie for some reason the backup can not be decrypted ) I also periodically (not as often as I should) copy the most important files to a hard disk and store it in my office at work.

Before I set all this up, I had a disk failure and ended up getting a replacement PCB from a Canadian company. They were great. Replacing it was easy (fully instructions and tool provided) and thankfully the disk was fine. If you are interested I can dig out their details.

I agree with those earlier that it is well worth trying to see if it can be seen in Unix first as often this is the case. I use Ubuntu (which also has a live CD option) which is also GUI based and very easy to use. Not that different from Windows. In fact I ended up rebuilding all my PCs and laptops with Ubuntu and the family (including the kids) use it fine with no instruction. In my case I could not get any response from window nor Unix either directly connected or via a USB docking station.

On 06/09/2016 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/09/16 12:33, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?


I have no experience of Linux ... do you know if there are any guides
anywhere on how to do this.
I do have:
Linux OS winboot and Hirens disks.



Basically get a linux mint style .iso.,
https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

and instruction manual

https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation.php



might try this weekend ...... last time I did command line stuff was on
my Unix sys admin course in 1995 !

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 12:33:11 UTC+1, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?


I have no experience of Linux ... do you know if there are any guides
anywhere on how to do this.
I do have:
Linux OS winboot and Hirens disks.

https://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:09:23 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk wrote:

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being recognised
at all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work - whatever
was ****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on startup.

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the floor,
but it was enough to totally destroy any communication. There's just
nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more like 3
G, but it killed it.

--
Davey.

"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:09:23 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk wrote:

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being recognised
at all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work - whatever
was ****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on startup.

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the floor,
but it was enough to totally destroy any communication. There's just
nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more like 3
G, but it killed it.

It'd be worth opening it, it might be something as simple as
the data cable coming off the connector on the drive itself.

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:09:20 +1000
"Rod Speed" wrote:



"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:09:23 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk wrote:

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being
recognised at all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work -
whatever was ****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on
startup.

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the
floor, but it was enough to totally destroy any communication.
There's just nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more
like 3 G, but it killed it.

It'd be worth opening it, it might be something as simple as
the data cable coming off the connector on the drive itself.


I did that when it happened, and I didn't see anything obvious. But I
still have it, so one day I might give it another go. I've nothing to
lose. It might even be worth just jiggling any connectors I see.

Interestingly, I replaced it with a Samsung HDD, which turned out to
also be a Seagate unit. I take more care when handling it now, knowing
how sensitive they are.

--
Davey.

"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:09:20 +1000
"Rod Speed" wrote:



"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:09:23 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk wrote:

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being
recognised at all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work -
whatever was ****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on
startup.

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the
floor, but it was enough to totally destroy any communication.
There's just nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more
like 3 G, but it killed it.

It'd be worth opening it, it might be something as simple as
the data cable coming off the connector on the drive itself.


I did that when it happened, and I didn't see anything obvious. But I
still have it, so one day I might give it another go. I've nothing to
lose. It might even be worth just jiggling any connectors I see.

Interestingly, I replaced it with a Samsung HDD, which turned out to
also be a Seagate unit.

Yeah, Seagate bought the Samsung HDD operation quite a while ago now.

I take more care when handling it now, knowing how sensitive they are.

On 07/09/2016 06:09, Rod Speed wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:09:23 -0000 (UTC)
Jethro_uk wrote:

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being recognised
at all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work - whatever
was ****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on startup.

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the floor,
but it was enough to totally destroy any communication. There's just
nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more like 3
G, but it killed it.

It'd be worth opening it, it might be something as simple as
the data cable coming off the connector on the drive itself.


Problem is it is under warranty ... if I open it ... WD won't swap it
out when I send it back.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:42:38 +0100
Tim Streater wrote:

I had that with a Seagate external HDD that I used for TV programme
Backup. It fell, and landed on my foot, didn't even crash to the
floor, but it was enough to totally destroy any communication.
There's just nothing there. It spins, but that's it.
Luckily, I had Backup backup. There is a label that says something
about not exceeding 3,000 G or whatever, it must have been more like
3 G, but it killed it.

If it fell on your foot from say a height of 4 ft, then when it hits
your foot it's already going at 16 feet per sec. Assume it then has to
stop within 1/2 inch, that gives:

0 = 16**2 + (2 x a x 1/24)

with a being the acceleration in feet per sec per sec. That gives:

a = -3072 or 3072/32 G = 96 G

What are those jobs rated at?

In this case, it was about 2 feet, at most, so travelling at
somewhat less than 16 fps.

The acceleration limit is written inside the case, on the drive itself,
and I'm not going to go in there again right now. But I see 350 G quoted
in an online discussion about this.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/que...350gs-of-force

This:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Mom.../dp/B002JIMYHI
offers 1,000 Gs of non-operating shock, but it is a high-tolerance
design.

Whatever it is, when this happened, it did not appear as a force that
would have been likely to have caused internal damage, and it was not
powered at the time. It is not as though it fell corner-first onto
concrete, it fell gently from my hand and landed on my foot, there was
no sound (apart from my swearing at having dropped it). If it had been
a coffee cup, it would not have shown any damage, it would have just
spilled the contents.

--
Davey.

On 06/09/16 11:09, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:37:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 05/09/16 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD Just stopped during use
....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup
more than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Have you tried a live linux CD?

Mount the drive and copy it to another?

I had a HDD fail big time. Basically it just stopped being recognised at
all.

No amount of trying to mount on a linux system would work - whatever was
****ed prevented the system even seeing an event on startup.

It was one half of a raid array, so no harm done ...


If you really care about data, you have to have a plan to deal with 100%
irrevocable sudden loss of a disk.


My important data lives on many disks. They are not raided, because I
back up several machines onto one of the disks.


Three years ago that disk died. The backup oddly enough.

I bought a new one, stuck it in, and 24 hours later it was full up with
backups, and my ISP was warning me about overuse of my connection...

Then I bought a bigger main disk, stuck a new OS on that and restored
from backup onto it. an afternoons work and I was back in business.



--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 06/09/2016 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


If you really care about data, you have to have a plan to deal with 100%
irrevocable sudden loss of a disk.




Doing all your backups in The Cloud will be the way to go .........BT
gives free space (not enough for me), Amazon gives unlimited space for
£55 a year
I'm sure it will all become cheaper with competition.

On 06/09/16 12:52, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


If you really care about data, you have to have a plan to deal with 100%
irrevocable sudden loss of a disk.




Doing all your backups in The Cloud will be the way to go

so that when the cloud crashes all your data is completely lost, and
when the cloud gets hacked, all your details are now globally available
to any criminal who is prepared top pay for them.


..........BT
gives free space (not enough for me), Amazon gives unlimited space for
£55 a year
I'm sure it will all become cheaper with competition.


FFS you can have a complete VPS for 55 quid a year.


A second drive costs about 55 quid and lasts 5 years.

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On 06/09/2016 13:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

so that when the cloud crashes all your data is completely lost, and
when the cloud gets hacked, all your details are now globally available
to any criminal who is prepared top pay for them.

All very true, but many people use cloud based email. Gmail, and the
like. I guess that you don't?

On 06/09/2016 13:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/09/16 12:52, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


If you really care about data, you have to have a plan to deal with 100%
irrevocable sudden loss of a disk.




Doing all your backups in The Cloud will be the way to go

so that when the cloud crashes all your data is completely lost, and
when the cloud gets hacked, all your details are now globally available
to any criminal who is prepared top pay for them.

The cloud is backed up and multiple redundant scenarios .... OK it may
glitch at some point but it will not lose your data.
Like it or not its the way storage is going .......... Amazon is huge in
Cloud storage business.


FFS you can have a complete VPS for 55 quid a year.


A second drive costs about 55 quid and lasts 5 years.



Unfortunately my experience proves otherwise ... first Caviar black
lasted 3 weeks
It's replacement failed after 3 years (current failed drive)

Yes I could buy another 2 and put a full RAID array in ... but if I put
it external to my PC ...over Ethernet it will be slow.
I could have the RAID hardware in my PC......... but then puts huge risk
factor as a single point of failure ...
Difficult to know which way to go.

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 12:52:54 UTC+1, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


If you really care about data, you have to have a plan to deal with 100%
irrevocable sudden loss of a disk.




Doing all your backups in The Cloud will be the way to go .........

One way to go and it's always worth keeping a local backup.
depending on how much data you have it can take quite a while downloading
GBs if not TBs of data.

And it'll be just your luck the intenet will be down when you want to recover.


BT
gives free space (not enough for me), Amazon gives unlimited space for
£55 a year
I'm sure it will all become cheaper with competition.

On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.

On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

On 06/09/16 12:24, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

That may be recoverable by giving it a new PCB. Companies that
specialise in recovering dead drives usually have plentyy of spares.

I did this once. to get data off a dead drive. It worked, but the next
day we had a meeting to decide how to make sure we never ever had top do
that again.

Tape was the answer, but it never worked properly.

Today,. disks are so cheap, you simply have several and raid or mirror
or backup between them.

Unless you have a Mac or a winders Peecee, cos they probably don't have
decent tools



--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On 06/09/2016 12:24, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

I used a program called *Disk Digger* that I used to recover all of the
files on a computer for one of my sons. It only cost about a tenner for
the prog.
If you can get a computer to recognise the drive, I would recommend the
program.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:45:27 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 06/09/2016 12:24, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

I used a program called *Disk Digger* that I used to recover all of the
files on a computer for one of my sons. It only cost about a tenner for
the prog.
If you can get a computer to recognise the drive, I would recommend the
program.

After trying all sorts of stuff like that at a previous job, I advised them if they had £300 they could try a recovery company. The company failed to get anything. I forget what had happened, I think the disk had gone faulty in some way and the heads kept crashing. The company had boldly stated they could recover files from a laptop that had fallen into the sea.

--
A man goes into a library and asks for a book on suicide.
The librarian says, "**** off, you won't bring it back!"

On 07/09/2016 01:39, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:45:27 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 06/09/2016 12:24, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup
more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery
tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

I used a program called *Disk Digger* that I used to recover all of the
files on a computer for one of my sons. It only cost about a tenner for
the prog.
If you can get a computer to recognise the drive, I would recommend the
program.

After trying all sorts of stuff like that at a previous job, I advised
them if they had £300 they could try a recovery company. The company
failed to get anything. I forget what had happened, I think the disk
had gone faulty in some way and the heads kept crashing. The company
had boldly stated they could recover files from a laptop that had fallen
into the sea.

Oh dear.

On 06/09/2016 12:24, rick wrote:
On 05/09/2016 23:08, Clive George wrote:
On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Plug it into another computer and give the various data recovery tools a
go - there's plenty of them to try, and they mostly offer a free trial
so you can see you've got data before you have to pay them.


I plugged into into a PC via a SATA to USB interface ... nothing seen so
I can't run any tools. Nothing shows in diskmanager

Have you tried any of the tools? Ignore the "nothing seen" bit, give it
a go. Data Rescue PC would be a first try.

On 06/09/2016 15:58, Clive George wrote:

Have you tried any of the tools? Ignore the "nothing seen" bit, give it
a go. Data Rescue PC would be a first try.



Without the disk being 'seen' by Disk Manager how will the tools work
?..... or am I missing the point.

I tried RECUVA for example ........ first thing you have to do is select
drive, C, D, E etc. ...as mine doesn't come up I could not select it.

On 08/09/2016 23:05, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 15:58, Clive George wrote:

Have you tried any of the tools? Ignore the "nothing seen" bit, give it
a go. Data Rescue PC would be a first try.



Without the disk being 'seen' by Disk Manager how will the tools work
?..... or am I missing the point.

I tried RECUVA for example ........ first thing you have to do is select
drive, C, D, E etc. ...as mine doesn't come up I could not select it.

If it really can't see it, yes, you'll get nowhere - but the software
I've been playing with doesn't ask for C/D/E, because the drive won't
mount. It asks for the disk though - but if Linux can see it, Windows
should be able to too.

But the point was to try it because it's not hard, doesn't cost
anything, and if it does work you've won. If it doesn't work, not a problem.

On 08/09/16 23:05, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 15:58, Clive George wrote:

Have you tried any of the tools? Ignore the "nothing seen" bit, give it
a go. Data Rescue PC would be a first try.



Without the disk being 'seen' by Disk Manager how will the tools work
?..... or am I missing the point.

No. you are not.

If the drive isn't recognised as a drive at all, there is some weirdness
in the electrics, not the actual hard drive.

Possiblyt a broken wire.

That when you start thinking of swapping the actual disk platter
assembly into a working drive of the same type




I tried RECUVA for example ........ first thing you have to do is select
drive, C, D, E etc. ...as mine doesn't come up I could not select it.


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On 06/09/2016 15:58, Clive George wrote:

Have you tried any of the tools? Ignore the "nothing seen" bit, give it
a go. Data Rescue PC would be a first try.


OK have now tried Recuva, Easus Data recovery, DMDE all got me nowhere.
Disk Drill did at least find a 'not assigned disk' and recovered
multiple windows files ... but none of my saved files.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:08:01 +0100, rick
wrote:

Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

I used ddrescue to recover data from a friend's failed laptop drive a
few years ago. I was able to recover all the important data.

It took quite a while, but once it's started the recovery process is
automatic.

On Monday, 5 September 2016 22:08:07 UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

yep. Now is the time you discover that backup doesn't read either, so you can only restore from 2 months ago.

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

Well, its time consuming. You could try some young geek but unless they do the right things right away your chance of recovery fades away.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

I don't think that has worked in a long time.


NT

On 06/09/2016 09:47, wrote:
On Monday, 5 September 2016 22:08:07 UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

yep. Now is the time you discover that backup doesn't read either, so you can only restore from 2 months ago.




I have reinstalled and restored to a new HD ... so only want to recover
the docs etc. fro 1 month

wrote in message
...
On Monday, 5 September 2016 22:08:07 UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

yep. Now is the time you discover that backup doesn't read either, so you
can only restore from 2 months ago.

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

Well, its time consuming. You could try some young geek but unless they do
the right things right away your chance of recovery fades away.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

I don't think that has worked in a long time.

You're wrong. It can work with a cracked trace or dry joint.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:08:07 PM UTC+1, rick wrote:

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery?

http://clockworkct.co.uk

The internal drive on our Mac failed last year. There were signs it was failing but needless to say I waited till it died the death before taking it in to the local service centre. The Mac is sufficiently old (i.e. not that old at all) that Apple support in Ireland consider it "vintage" and said it was unsupportable at Apple stores. These guys replaced the drive and recovered all the date for, IIRC, about £100.

They have a price menu and I think they have a "no data recovery, no fee" policy.

Don't know if that's any use to you but I throw it into the mix knowing how hard it is to contemplate the loss of six years worth of photos of the cat......

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:33:50 UTC+1, mike wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:08:07 PM UTC+1, rick wrote:

They have a price menu and I think they have a "no data recovery, no fee" policy.

Don't know if that's any use to you but I throw it into the mix knowing how hard it is to contemplate the loss of six years worth of photos of the cat.....

but that was Apple using Mac he's disk is from a PC so I doubt Apple would be interested.
Not sure why you couldn't use a Mac to drag most of the user files off to another drive.

On 06/09/2016 11:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:33:50 UTC+1, mike wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:08:07 PM UTC+1, rick wrote:

They have a price menu and I think they have a "no data recovery, no fee" policy.

Don't know if that's any use to you but I throw it into the mix knowing how hard it is to contemplate the loss of six years worth of photos of the cat.....

but that was Apple using Mac he's disk is from a PC so I doubt Apple would be interested.
Not sure why you couldn't use a Mac to drag most of the user files off to another drive.



A guy use a mac to test - it did allow disc to be 'seen' and scanned,
but no daat recovered.
Which may mean its time for teh bin .......... but want to see if
anything's worth checking.

Just looked at Youtube video where guy opens them, resets head closes up
and it works ..... worse case is I do that as last attempt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Y7BniaRXg

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 12:36:29 UTC+1, rick wrote:
On 06/09/2016 11:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:33:50 UTC+1, mike wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:08:07 PM UTC+1, rick wrote:

They have a price menu and I think they have a "no data recovery, no fee" policy.

Don't know if that's any use to you but I throw it into the mix knowing how hard it is to contemplate the loss of six years worth of photos of the cat.....

but that was Apple using Mac he's disk is from a PC so I doubt Apple would be interested.
Not sure why you couldn't use a Mac to drag most of the user files off to another drive.



A guy use a mac to test - it did allow disc to be 'seen' and scanned,
but no daat recovered.

So he couldn;t just drag and drop onto a mac HD then .


Which may mean its time for teh bin .......... but want to see if
anything's worth checking.

Just looked at Youtube video where guy opens them, resets head closes up
and it works ..... worse case is I do that as last attempt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Y7BniaRXg

I've opened drives up before as for getting them working again I'm not sure.
A month agao I opened a PC disk that was taking 20mins to boot. there was a scratch on the surface of the disc measurining about 1cm in lengh.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 06:37:09 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

So he couldn;t just drag and drop onto a mac HD then .

It was dragging and dropping that caused the problem in the first
place! .-)



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On 05/09/2016 22:08, rick wrote:
Have a Western Digital 1TB internal 3.5" HDD
Just stopped during use ....
Drive is under warranty so should get it replaced - but they won't
recover the data.
I had a backup .. but a months worth is missing .... (should backup more
than once a month I know)

On windows PC it is no longer seen, a friend connected it to a MAC and
it could be seen & scanned .. but he was unable to recover any files.

Anybody know of anyone that does data recovery as a sideline ?

Professional companies charge hundreds to do this.

In case someone suggests it - I have tried the freezer trick.

Backup frequency/habits?

Just curious as to what others do. Me, for SOHO:

I image (that's image, as in boot from Acronis (Linux?) CD not just
'backup' and outside of Windows) about once a week internal HDDs, onto
an external HDD (2 external HDDs rotated in case of failure of backup
media) and stored away from office. That means that if a disk fails, I
can put an image back, no having to reinstall OS and then software then
data/docs/photos. Maybe I'm old school

Covers (hopefully) against disk failure, fire and theft...
Has saved my bacon (on another site) at least once.

Just curiouos what others do, and welcome any tips.