What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has 6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Adam Aglionby wrote:
What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has 6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

We have Sentinel credit card protection http://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/ who
also protect our keys. Been with them many years so no idea of current
prices but might be worth looking at. Never had to use them (thankfully) so
can't say how good they are when needed though.

On 18 May, 11:07, Adam Aglionby wrote:
What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has *6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" *Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Not answering your question - but wouldn't it be better to have all
the locks keyed alike with a registered profile (i.e. can't be copied
in the high street) - and then if keys are lost, have all the locks
rekeyed immediately?

The initial cost of keyed-alike may be high, but rekeying if needed is
not so bad.

Hoping to have a lost bunch of keys returned, and hanging on and not
changing the locks - well it's about the same security level as keys
under the doormat.

Plus - if you incur a loss after no forced entry - your insurer may
not pay out.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adam Aglionby
saying something like:

What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

There are various key return services around - I was subscribed to one
as a freebie for a couple of years, but didn't bother carrying it on
when it became a paid service, so can't say how good it would have been.

Otoh, the tag system does still work quite well.
http://community.vivastreet.co.uk/lo...st-key/9812444

In article ,
John wrote:
We have Sentinel credit card protection http://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/
who also protect our keys. Been with them many years so no idea of
current prices but might be worth looking at. Never had to use them
(thankfully) so can't say how good they are when needed though.

I have it too - comes with my version of a Visa card. Lost my car keys
once, and they arrived back a couple of days later by post. So very worth
it. It's also a form of identification if something happened to you while
out with no wallet, etc.

--
*If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? *

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 18 May, 13:19, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

We have Sentinel credit card protectionhttp://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/
who also protect our keys. Been with them many years so no idea of
current prices but might be worth looking at. Never had to use them
(thankfully) so can't say how good they are when needed though.

I have it too - comes with my version of a Visa card. Lost my car keys
once, and they arrived back a couple of days later by post. So very worth
it. It's also a form of identification if something happened to you while
out with no wallet, etc.

--
*If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Cheers
JimK

On Tue, 18 May 2010 13:19:54 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We have Sentinel credit card protection
http://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/
who also protect our keys.

I have it too ...

Me too. What I liked when I signed up (offered via Amex) was the key
tag was brass with the number embossed into it, easy to read. The
current tags are still metal and quite robust but silvered and
difficult to read. Some key return tags are plastic and printed, not
robust enough and the print wears off...

I've not lost my keys so can't comment on the return side, which is
reliant on some one finding and posting them back to Sentinel anyway.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article
,
JimK wrote:
On 18 May, 13:19, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

We have Sentinel credit card protectionhttp://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/
who also protect our keys. Been with them many years so no idea of
current prices but might be worth looking at. Never had to use them
(thankfully) so can't say how good they are when needed though.

I have it too - comes with my version of a Visa card. Lost my car keys
once, and they arrived back a couple of days later by post. So very
worth it. It's also a form of identification if something happened to
you while out with no wallet, etc.


be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Doubt if even I'd wait around for that long...;-)

--
*If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:

be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Any even half secure system doesn't have the house address on the
tag...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 18 May, 16:51, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:
be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Any even half secure system doesn't have the house address on the
tag...


eh? S for Sentinel?

JimK

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has 6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Adam

Try KEYCARE (www.keycare.co.uk)


Cover £1000 per key tag, also includes car hire if car keys lost/stolen.

Alec

On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:

be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly
posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Any even half secure system doesn't have the house address on the
tag...

eh? S for Sentinel?

Ah I see the other meaning, I was thinking of the drop in post box
straight back to house via PO, rather than drop in post box,
delivered to Sentinel (or who ever) then sent to you. I would hope
that they send them in something that makes some attempt to disguise
that the package does contain keys and requires a signature.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 18 May, 21:53, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:
be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly
posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Any even half secure system doesn't have the house address on the
tag...

eh? S for Sentinel?

Ah I see the other meaning, I was thinking of the drop in post box
straight back to house via PO, rather than drop in post box,
delivered to Sentinel (or who ever) then sent to you. I would hope
that they send them in something that makes some attempt to disguise
that the package does contain keys and requires a signature.

--
Cheers
Dave.

earlier post just says "in the post" - Ping Mr Plowman......

JimK

In article
,
JimK wrote:
On 18 May, 21:53, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:
be a p1sser if you lost your house keys and the postman duly
posted
them back thru the letterbox in your locked door....

Any even half secure system doesn't have the house address on the
tag...

eh? S for Sentinel?

Ah I see the other meaning, I was thinking of the drop in post box
straight back to house via PO, rather than drop in post box,
delivered to Sentinel (or who ever) then sent to you. I would hope
that they send them in something that makes some attempt to disguise
that the package does contain keys and requires a signature.


earlier post just says "in the post" - Ping Mr Plowman......

Pretty well anything you get 'in the post' comes in a envelope or padded
bag etc unless just printed material. My keys were no different - came in
a Jiffy bag. I can't remember if they had to be signed for.

I believe a finder can drop them in a post box, though, and the PO sorts
things out from there.

--
*He's not dead - he's electroencephalographically challenged

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 18 May, 12:14, "John" wrote:
Adam Aglionby wrote:
What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has *6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" *Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

We have Sentinel credit card protectionhttp://www.sentinelgold.co.uk/who
also protect our keys. Been with them many years so no idea of current
prices but might be worth looking at. Never had to use them (thankfully) so
can't say how good they are when needed though.

Looks like quite a good product with one gotcha for my needs, home
office wuthin boundaries of home, need workshop somewhat external to
home.

Cheers
Adam

On 18 May, 12:17, " wrote:
On 18 May, 11:07, Adam Aglionby wrote:



What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has *6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" *Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Not answering your question - but wouldn't it be better to have all
the locks keyed alike with a registered profile (i.e. can't be copied
in the high street) - and then if keys are lost, have all the locks
rekeyed immediately?

Being a skinflint at heart, but having seen first hand and one of
first on scene, aftermath of break in , has been rubbed into me

if you think security is expensive , think of the alternative...

The initial cost of keyed-alike may be high, but rekeying if needed is
not so bad.

Having reviewed padlock choices, by viewing youtube, type padlock
prospect into search, marvel at someone opening it in 10 secs with a
bent paperclip.

Only real contenders are Squire SS65, thankfully already there and
laughed at bolt cutters , Ingersoll and Abloys in various sizes.

Real money puts Abloy 342 , nice closed shoulder ones , popular on
shipping ocntainers because of corrosion resistance, at a bit over
100 quid each retail , common Ebay find for 30 quid or less, 362 is
over 200 quid in a shop find them new for well less than half that.

Abloy are expensive and sometimes impossible to get keys copied for,
recoring locks entirely possible but at a price!

Lesser locks either easily pickable, over hardened and shatter or are
just plain mince.

Hoping to have a lost bunch of keys returned, and hanging on and not
changing the locks - well it's about the same security level as keys
under the doormat.

Have spares for all the locks, but some of them are only spare so
would like chance of recovering originals.


Plus - if you incur a loss after no forced entry - your insurer may
not pay out.

What puts me off mobile phone number tag, possible to link main mobile
number to address some keys relate to fairly easily.

But in betwen full blown insurance with hefty annual recurring and
phone tag or some home brew effort think may have a winner

Immobilise The UK National Property Register, genuine Police run thing

https://www.immobilise.com/view.php?...y=1&product=29

4 keytags 19.99, RFID tag for bikes is tenner less than Datatag as
well.

If lost all spares to workshop , entry would be neither quiet nor
quick.

Cheers
Adam

On 18 May, 20:22, "alho" wrote:
"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message

...



What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has *6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" *Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Adam

Try KEYCARE (www.keycare.co.uk)

Cover £1000 per key tag, also includes car hire if car keys lost/stolen..

Alec

It does cover home and office keys unlike Sentinel but as I understand
it, sentinel will pay up to 600 GBP per claim including lock change
etc and/or overnight onward transport /car hire.

Keycare`s Angelcare agin just under 40 quid a year has limit of 40
GBP per day on car hire and 80 GBP on hotel costs, so depends on what
looking to protect against , though ID theft and `emotional support`
does actualy sound reassuring.

Something need to look at what out of house, business, car , bank and
card issuers am altready with can offer.

Cheers
Adam

Adam Aglionby wrote:

Real money puts Abloy 342 , nice closed shoulder ones , popular on
shipping ocntainers because of corrosion resistance, at a bit over
100 quid each retail , common Ebay find for 30 quid or less, 362 is
over 200 quid in a shop find them new for well less than half that.

Something would always worry me about buying cheap locks from J. Random
Stranger on ebay, who therefore knows the delivery address and has had
access to the keys ...

On 19 May, 05:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam Aglionby wrote:
Real money puts Abloy 342 , nice closed shoulder ones , popular on
shipping ocntainers because of corrosion resistance, at a bit over
100 quid each retail , common Ebay find for 30 quid or less, 362 is
over 200 quid in a shop find them new for well less than half that.

Something would always worry me about buying cheap locks from J. Random
Stranger on ebay, who therefore knows the delivery address and has had
access to the keys ...

paranoia?

nb:- buyer also knows where seller lives/d to inform plod...

....must be fairly desperate pikey to gamble on a 200mile say road trip
to see if he can find the padlock he flogged on ebay without being
spotted, filmed, arrested, without even knowing what it's being used
for?

cheers
JimK

JimK wrote:
Something would always worry me about buying cheap locks from J. Random
Stranger on ebay, who therefore knows the delivery address and has had
access to the keys ...

paranoia?

nb:- buyer also knows where seller lives/d to inform plod...

...must be fairly desperate pikey to gamble on a 200mile say road trip
to see if he can find the padlock he flogged on ebay without being
spotted, filmed, arrested, without even knowing what it's being used
for?

cheers
JimK

Presactly, and if you're still concerned, get a friend to buy it for
you. Said scroat will then never find it...

Adam Aglionby wrote:
Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

RBS have/had a similar scheme... I don't know if you have to have some kind
of Premium/Advantage/Plus/Extra/Gold account to get it, but AFAIK you didn't
have to pay extra for it on top of the cost of the account.

Theo

On May 18, 12:17*pm, " wrote:
On 18 May, 11:07, Adam Aglionby wrote:





What is the modern equivalent of the key tags offering a reward for
return of a key ring?

Asa workshop now has *6 keys just to get in door, thanks for all
advice after recent attempted break in, BTW found Sony 1/3" *Super HAD
cameras give much better picture than any of the competitors but
anyway, now have bunch of keys that would be inconvenient to lose,
Abloy keys are expensive.

Are there key return services around that offer a reward to a finder
or is it just as feasible to putr a tag with anonymous email offering
a reward to a returning finder?

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Adam

Not answering your question - but wouldn't it be better to have all
the locks keyed alike with a registered profile (i.e. can't be copied
in the high street) - and then if keys are lost, have all the locks
rekeyed immediately?

The initial cost of keyed-alike may be high, but rekeying if needed is
not so bad.


When we had our (3) doors upgraded, the extra cost of having "keyed
alike" was zero, but the installer commented that they had never been
asked for this before.

Robert