My daughter has lost the alarm fob for her 2010 Fiat 500 (bought new).
She still has all the information provided with the car,
in particular a card with a picture of a car key on it,
giving an Electronic Code and a Mechanical Code.

Is it possible to get a new alarm fob online?
If so, is the above sufficient information for this?

She has the key for the car (two of them),
and only wants the alarm fob.

The reason she needs this is that the car will not start,
and the alarm goes off when she opens the door.
(It stops when she closes the door and locks it.)
Could the alarm actually stop the car starting?
Or does it just go off because the battery is dead?

I have tried charging the battery overnight,
but it still did not start.
(Unfortunately my Ultimate Speed charger
does not give the current passing to the battery.
It just has a LED to say if the battery is fully charged,
which never comes on.)
She could just buy a new battery at Halfords,
but this would be a bit of a waste if it is OK.

Any advice or elucidation gratefully received.




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Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

Timothy Murphy wrote:
My daughter has lost the alarm fob for her 2010 Fiat 500 (bought new).

Oh dear.

She still has all the information provided with the car,
in particular a card with a picture of a car key on it,
giving an Electronic Code and a Mechanical Code.

Is it possible to get a new alarm fob online?
If so, is the above sufficient information for this?

Think you'll have to ask a main dealer. This has "going to cost quite a
lot of money" written all over it I reckon.


She has the key for the car (two of them),
and only wants the alarm fob.

The reason she needs this is that the car will not start,
and the alarm goes off when she opens the door.
(It stops when she closes the door and locks it.)
Could the alarm actually stop the car starting?
Or does it just go off because the battery is dead?

Almost certainly because the alarm is linked to an immobiliser.


I have tried charging the battery overnight,
but it still did not start.
(Unfortunately my Ultimate Speed charger
does not give the current passing to the battery.
It just has a LED to say if the battery is fully charged,
which never comes on.)
She could just buy a new battery at Halfords,
but this would be a bit of a waste if it is OK.

It would be a waste.


Any advice or elucidation gratefully received.

Try posting in uk.rec.cars.maintenance. Search Fiat web forums. Phone
dealer.

Tim

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On 05/09/2016 13:17, Timothy Murphy wrote:
My daughter has lost the alarm fob for her 2010 Fiat 500 (bought new).
She still has all the information provided with the car,
in particular a card with a picture of a car key on it,
giving an Electronic Code and a Mechanical Code.

Is it possible to get a new alarm fob online?
If so, is the above sufficient information for this?


No idea. As Tim+ has suggested, ask on a Fiat forum, but it may be
dealer time.

She has the key for the car (two of them),
and only wants the alarm fob.

The reason she needs this is that the car will not start,
and the alarm goes off when she opens the door.

Usually turning the ignition on will silence the alarm, if it's an OE
alarm, but I've little experience of Fiat. What does the handbook say?
I'm not sure how Fiat do things, but other cars have the immobiliser
authentication chip in the key.

(It stops when she closes the door and locks it.)
Could the alarm actually stop the car starting?
Or does it just go off because the battery is dead?

I have tried charging the battery overnight,
but it still did not start.

Does it turn over? If so, then the battery is probably fine and the
starting is blocked by an immobiliser.

On 05/09/16 13:17, Timothy Murphy wrote:
My daughter has lost the alarm fob for her 2010 Fiat 500 (bought new).

IN general the dealership where you bought it will have all the info
necessary to order and supply a recoded fob.

Probably best to let them look at and sort out any immobiliser issues.



She still has all the information provided with the car,
in particular a card with a picture of a car key on it,
giving an Electronic Code and a Mechanical Code.

Is it possible to get a new alarm fob online?
If so, is the above sufficient information for this?

She has the key for the car (two of them),
and only wants the alarm fob.

The reason she needs this is that the car will not start,
and the alarm goes off when she opens the door.
(It stops when she closes the door and locks it.)
Could the alarm actually stop the car starting?
yes

Or does it just go off because the battery is dead?
could be yes


I have tried charging the battery overnight,
but it still did not start.
(Unfortunately my Ultimate Speed charger
does not give the current passing to the battery.
It just has a LED to say if the battery is fully charged,
which never comes on.)

do you have a meter?

She could just buy a new battery at Halfords,
but this would be a bit of a waste if it is OK.

If existing battery is 5 years old it doesn't owe you anything anyway.


Any advice or elucidation gratefully received.






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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:08:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 05/09/16 13:17, Timothy Murphy wrote:
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IN general the dealership where you bought it will have all the info
necessary to order and supply a recoded fob.

I know in the past this was not the case. If you lost the master key
(which allowed duplicates to be programmed to the ECU) you were up ****
creek.

Of course, the tabloid press (which had been criticising lax car security
for decades) now grumbled it was *too* secure.


I'd also be a wee bit concerned about *where* the other key was lost. It
may be in the hands of a ne'er do well who is just waiting for the right
moment to "collect" the car.

Tim


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On 05/09/2016 13:17, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Is it possible to get a new alarm fob online?
If so, is the above sufficient information for this?

Does her insurance cover lost keys?

I understand that, for security reasons, some companies replace all the
keys and locks after a claim for a lost key.

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Mike Clarke

Mike Clarke wrote:

Does her insurance cover lost keys?

I understand that, for security reasons, some companies replace all the
keys and locks after a claim for a lost key.

That's an interesting suggestion, thanks.
From my experience of insurance companies, I doubt it,
but I will see if she is lucky.

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Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

On 06/09/2016 00:13, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Mike Clarke wrote:

Does her insurance cover lost keys?

I understand that, for security reasons, some companies replace all the
keys and locks after a claim for a lost key.

That's an interesting suggestion, thanks.
From my experience of insurance companies, I doubt it,
but I will see if she is lucky.

I don't know how common it is but I've just checked my policy (LV) and
it says:

"If your car keys, lock transmitter or entry card are lost or stolen,
we’ll pay for their replacement and for the door and boot locks to be
replaced. This is provided they were not left in or on your car while it
was unattended, and care has been taken to safeguard from loss."

I suppose their theory is that if a lost key or remote gets into the
wrong hands and the car gets stolen then they could end up having to
fork out for replacing the car so it's safer for them to spend a few
hundred instead of several thousand.

--
Mike Clarke

On 06/09/16 00:13, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Mike Clarke wrote:

Does her insurance cover lost keys?

I understand that, for security reasons, some companies replace all the
keys and locks after a claim for a lost key.

That's an interesting suggestion, thanks.
From my experience of insurance companies, I doubt it,
but I will see if she is lucky.


Check any household insurances as well.

--
Adrian C

Jethro_uk wrote:

Going back FIATs were sold with *3* keys. 2 regular, and a 3rd master key
which was required to program any replacement keys.

The *only* way to program new keys was with the supplied master. FIAT
kept no copies or details, and owners were impressed with the importance
of keeping the master key safe.

As I mentioned, in this case a card was provided,
with a warning not to lose it, and not to keep it in the car.
The card has 2 codes on it, an "Electronic Code" and a "Mechanical Code".
I assume these must contain the essential information.

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Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin