http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/death-by-shed-3/
I didn't know they were so deadly.


NT

Its hardly a new story though is it, Indeed i seem to recall this from the
time as it was used to try to get people who lived alone to have some kind
of back up or panic button in place.
A while ago somebody in Kingston died by Garage. He fell through the
asbestos roof. Only last week there was a report that a a lady had been
killed by an electric garage door which malfunctioned.
You just have to be careful with these outbuildings.
Brian

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I didn't know they were so deadly.


NT

Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a communal
basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type links. She put
her arm through the links to reach a switch that would normally only be
used by people on the inside. The door immediately opened and she was
trapped by her arm.

In article ,
"Brian Gaff" writes:
Its hardly a new story though is it, Indeed i seem to recall this from the
time as it was used to try to get people who lived alone to have some kind
of back up or panic button in place.
A while ago somebody in Kingston died by Garage. He fell through the
asbestos roof. Only last week there was a report that a a lady had been
killed by an electric garage door which malfunctioned.
You just have to be careful with these outbuildings.

A few decades ago, I heard a similar indoor one.

A married couple (but not married to each other) had booked in to a
hotel for a couple of days sex whilst telling their partners they were
away on a business trip. As was their chosen style, she had been
handcuffed, hands and feet to the bed, her mouth taped over, and he had
dressed up as Superman. A chair and table were dragged over to the
wardrobe so he could climb up onto the top, ready to jump down and
rescue the mistress from the bed.

However, Superman's plans took a turn for the worse when, as he tried
to jump off, the top of the wardrobe caved in and he fell inside.
After the sound of slintering wood stopped, he found he was locked in
the wardrobe, and of course, she was still locked to the bed.

Being somewhat embarrassed at their predicament, they didn't have the
courage to screem for help (and indeed, she couldn't anyway).
They were found the next morning by the cleaner.

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On 8/24/2016 4:43 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a communal
basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type links. She put
her arm through the links to reach a switch that would normally only be
used by people on the inside. The door immediately opened and she was
trapped by her arm.


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.


Common enough roller shutter door - to allow light and ventilation. Only a
resident would know about the switch - it was not meant to be used in that
manner - only for use to open it from the inside to get out. A sad lesson
about switch positioning.

On 25-Aug-16 9:43 AM, DerbyBorn wrote:


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.


Common enough roller shutter door - to allow light and ventilation. Only a
resident would know about the switch - it was not meant to be used in that
manner - only for use to open it from the inside to get out. A sad lesson
about switch positioning.


I would have thought that a door like that was to prevent unauthorised
entry. That alone should dictate that the switch should be designed or
positioned so that it could not be operated from outside, even with a
long stick.

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newshound wrote:

On 8/24/2016 4:43 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a communal
basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type links. She put
her arm through the links to reach a switch that would normally only be
used by people on the inside. The door immediately opened and she was
trapped by her arm.


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

I have often found it a nuisance (but have understood) when having to
stand holding the button on a large and heavy roller door to maintain
its movement until open or closed. If I ever install even a small one
I shall use a similar system.



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Roger Hayter

On 25/08/16 14:25, Roger Hayter wrote:
newshound wrote:

On 8/24/2016 4:43 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a communal
basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type links. She put
her arm through the links to reach a switch that would normally only be
used by people on the inside. The door immediately opened and she was
trapped by her arm.


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

I have often found it a nuisance (but have understood) when having to
stand holding the button on a large and heavy roller door to maintain
its movement until open or closed. If I ever install even a small one
I shall use a similar system.



wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??


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On 25/08/2016 14:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/16 14:25, Roger Hayter wrote:
newshound wrote:

On 8/24/2016 4:43 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a
communal
basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type links. She
put
her arm through the links to reach a switch that would normally only be
used by people on the inside. The door immediately opened and she was
trapped by her arm.


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

I have often found it a nuisance (but have understood) when having to
stand holding the button on a large and heavy roller door to maintain
its movement until open or closed. If I ever install even a small one
I shall use a similar system.



wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??



Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

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Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.


Really????? Mine don't. There is a overload trip - the same as when it is
fully closed.

On 25/08/16 19:53, DerbyBorn wrote:



Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.


Really????? Mine don't. There is a overload trip - the same as when it is
fully closed.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2579528/

Its a fairly recent thing, and not that common even now

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In article , Roger Mills
wrote:
On 25/08/2016 14:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/16 14:25, Roger Hayter wrote:
newshound wrote:

On 8/24/2016 4:43 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Brian


Brian - just to explain - the woman killed was trying to open a
communal basement type roller shutter door made of large mesh type
links. She put her arm through the links to reach a switch that
would normally only be used by people on the inside. The door
immediately opened and she was trapped by her arm.


That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

I have often found it a nuisance (but have understood) when having to
stand holding the button on a large and heavy roller door to maintain
its movement until open or closed. If I ever install even a small one
I shall use a similar system.



wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch
in a car that trapped her head in a closing window??



Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

They are now - they weeren't then

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On 25/08/2016 21:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/16 19:53, DerbyBorn wrote:



Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.


Really????? Mine don't. There is a overload trip - the same as when it is
fully closed.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2579528/

What sort of prat leaves a three year old alone in a car?

In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"Brian Gaff" writes:
Its hardly a new story though is it, Indeed i seem to recall this from the
time as it was used to try to get people who lived alone to have some kind
of back up or panic button in place.
A while ago somebody in Kingston died by Garage. He fell through the
asbestos roof. Only last week there was a report that a a lady had been
killed by an electric garage door which malfunctioned.
You just have to be careful with these outbuildings.

A few decades ago, I heard a similar indoor one.

A married couple (but not married to each other) had booked in to a
hotel for a couple of days sex whilst telling their partners they were
away on a business trip. As was their chosen style, she had been
handcuffed, hands and feet to the bed, her mouth taped over, and he had
dressed up as Superman. A chair and table were dragged over to the
wardrobe so he could climb up onto the top, ready to jump down and
rescue the mistress from the bed.

However, Superman's plans took a turn for the worse when, as he tried
to jump off, the top of the wardrobe caved in and he fell inside.
After the sound of slintering wood stopped, he found he was locked in
the wardrobe, and of course, she was still locked to the bed.

Being somewhat embarrassed at their predicament, they didn't have the
courage to screem for help (and indeed, she couldn't anyway).
They were found the next morning by the cleaner.

and

In article ,
newshound wrote:

....
That sounds like a dreadful bit of design.

[guffaw] ... Newshound's response came in on my Newsreader straight
after Andrew's tale --- I read it as being a comment on Andrew's tale
not (as in fact) on the roller door. In the spirit of that Victoria
Wood sketch, where she talks about finding "Readers' Wives" in her
boyfriend's mucky book ... pausing slightly, tutting disgustedly, and
then saying "ah've never seen such a horrible collection of bedheads in
me life."

Roger Mills wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??

Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

Someone nearly tried the experiment for us today, but got her arm ripped
off instead ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37208825

Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??

Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

Someone nearly tried the experiment for us today, but got her arm ripped
off instead ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37208825



It doesn't actually say that it was the electric window that did the
damage.

Tim

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On 2016-08-28, Tim+ wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??

Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

Someone nearly tried the experiment for us today, but got her arm ripped
off instead ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37208825

It doesn't actually say that it was the electric window that did the
damage.

Seems unlikely that it was - if you were planning to close an electric
window, you wouldn't lean through the window to do it - even if you hit
the button to close it and then got your arm out before it closed, that
would leave the keys in the ignition.

Alan Braggins wrote:
On 2016-08-28, wrote:

Andy wrote:

Roger Mills wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??

Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

Someone nearly tried the experiment for us today, but got her arm ripped
off instead ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37208825

It doesn't actually say that it was the electric window that did the
damage.

Seems unlikely that it was - if you were planning to close an electric
window, you wouldn't lean through the window to do it - even if you hit
the button to close it and then got your arm out before it closed, that
would leave the keys in the ignition.

The lady concerned leaned in through the window to start the car to
power the electic windows AIUI. Unfortunately the car was in gear! Can't
happen with an auto gearbox.

On 30/08/2016 17:51, Capitol wrote:

The lady concerned leaned in through the window to start the car to
power the electic windows AIUI. Unfortunately the car was in gear! Can't
happen with an auto gearbox.

She didn't need to start the engine - she only needed to turn the
ignition on - and probably turned the key too far.
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"Capitol" wrote in message
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Alan Braggins wrote:
On 2016-08-28, wrote:

Andy wrote:

Roger Mills wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


wasn't some kid strangled by standing on an electrical windows switch
in
a car that trapped her head in a closing window??

Not unless she had a very soft neck - electric windows are designed to
reverse if they hit any significant resistance.

Someone nearly tried the experiment for us today, but got her arm
ripped
off instead ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37208825

It doesn't actually say that it was the electric window that did the
damage.

Seems unlikely that it was - if you were planning to close an electric
window, you wouldn't lean through the window to do it - even if you hit
the button to close it and then got your arm out before it closed, that
would leave the keys in the ignition.

The lady concerned leaned in through the window to start the car to power
the electic windows AIUI. Unfortunately the car was in gear! Can't happen
with an auto gearbox.

Can't happen with the better designed manuals either.

On 30/08/16 18:21, Roger Mills wrote:
On 30/08/2016 17:51, Capitol wrote:

The lady concerned leaned in through the window to start the car to
power the electic windows AIUI. Unfortunately the car was in gear! Can't
happen with an auto gearbox.

She didn't need to start the engine - she only needed to turn the
ignition on - and probably turned the key too far.

Could be gender related?

Generally only men understand intermediate positions of rotary controls.

Thermostats, Cookers, heavily closed taps .... whatever makes it "go or
stop urgently, you stupid machine" is the setting that should be used.
Anything else is superfluous nonsense.

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On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 21:08:54 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 30/08/16 18:21, Roger Mills wrote:
On 30/08/2016 17:51, Capitol wrote:

The lady concerned leaned in through the window to start the car to
power the electic windows AIUI. Unfortunately the car was in gear! Can't
happen with an auto gearbox.

She didn't need to start the engine - she only needed to turn the
ignition on - and probably turned the key too far.

Could be gender related?

Generally only men understand intermediate positions of rotary controls.

Thermostats, Cookers, heavily closed taps .... whatever makes it "go or
stop urgently, you stupid machine" is the setting that should be used.
Anything else is superfluous nonsense.

So women are digital and men are analogue .