Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for £4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think this is rather expensive? I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides) 26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

I am now thinking of getting OH to do it. But I have run into problems.

a) Of the many sorts of plastic on the market,which thickness is best.

I am also having difficulty sourcing somewhere locally to sell me just the plastic bits.

b)Can someone explain simply how you fit soffits and facias over the existing?

(OH can already do guttering no problems there).

c) Would I just be better off painting and leaving it a few more years?

Its cast iron guttering .The wood of the facias etc. is good and has been well painted( until I arrived anyway).

Any reasonable answers. Thanks.

On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for
£4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think
this is rather expensive?

Its fairly pricey... certainly one of those jobs that will be much
cheaper if you can DIY.

I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides)
26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

I am now thinking of getting OH to do it. But I have run into
problems.

a) Of the many sorts of plastic on the market,which thickness is
best.

For the facia board, you normally use a relatively thin board when over
boarding. Guttering tends to be a one thickness fits all thing.

I am also having difficulty sourcing somewhere locally to sell me
just the plastic bits.

There are loads of suppliers of uPVC stuff about, but there are plenty
online, and places like Wickes will have what you need as well.

b)Can someone explain simply how you fit soffits and facias over the
existing?

The facia is L shaped - it has a lip at the bottom. So you take off the
existing gutter. Trim to the right depth, and then nail it onto the face
of the existing facia so that the lip wraps round the bottom of the wood
hiding it. You leave a small gap between the bottom of the existing
facia and the lip.

You then get vee board of similar material for the soffit. That's a wide
plastic T & G board that is made to look like smaller individual board
(each lenth is profiled into three "planks" normally. That you cut into
appropriate lengths, and support one end under the lip on the facia, and
the other is held by a channel or trim you fix to the wall or existing
soffit.

(OH can already do guttering no problems there).

c) Would I just be better off painting and leaving it a few more
years?

Depends on what is actually wrong with the existing.


Its cast iron guttering .The wood of the facias etc. is good and has
been well painted( until I arrived anyway).

I would be tempted to keep it if its all in good working order and all
it lacks is paint.


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sweetheart presented the following explanation :
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting
new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for £4000.I was a bit
shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think this is rather expensive? I
have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides) 26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

I am now thinking of getting OH to do it. But I have run into problems.

a) Of the many sorts of plastic on the market,which thickness is best.

I am also having difficulty sourcing somewhere locally to sell me just the
plastic bits.

b)Can someone explain simply how you fit soffits and facias over the
existing?

(OH can already do guttering no problems there).

c) Would I just be better off painting and leaving it a few more years?

Its cast iron guttering .The wood of the facias etc. is good and has been
well painted( until I arrived anyway).

Any reasonable answers. Thanks.

Straight forward semi, just front and back to do, next door had been
done. We were quoted £950 and £1200 to do ours - a few years ago now.
Because I could do it and make a better job of it, I did it myself.

I think my materials cost was around £200, but front fall pipe was
already done. The Plumbcentre stock all you will need. Make sure you
use stainless for fixings.

On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:

Its cast iron guttering .The wood of the facias etc. is good and has been well painted( until I arrived anyway).

Have you checked that the wood *behind and above* the gutter is in good
condition?

I ask because cast iron guttering can be a pain to take down so as to
paint the whole fascia. While the wood behind/above doesn't get exposed
to much if any sunlight and weather, it can end up rotten while the
regularly painted wood below is in good nick

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for
£4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think
this is rather expensive? I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides)
26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

Mine cost ~£160 but its a quarter of the size.

The quote you have must include rebuilding the walls!

£4000 is ridiculous for a bungalow of your size, something nearer a quarter that cost I can understand. Be careful of just covering rotten wood, we had that done round a square bay window at the last house only because the zinc roof of it would have needed replacing to do otherwise. The job looked OK for a while but movement of the underlying fascias caused some long term problems.

At our present house covering was done with the same result but the most significant problem was the reduction of the tile overhang which by the time the gutters were fitted resulted in a gap behind the gutters allowing water to drip down the fascias. I have had to put in felt support trays to ensure water ended up in the gutters.

If replacing, the advised solution, then 16mm fascias are the answer. If covering 9mm should be the maximum.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/felt-suppo...m-5-pack/36622

Richard

On Tuesday, 23 August 2016 06:50:48 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for £4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think this is rather expensive? I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides) 26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

I am now thinking of getting OH to do it. But I have run into problems.

a) Of the many sorts of plastic on the market,which thickness is best.

I am also having difficulty sourcing somewhere locally to sell me just the plastic bits.

b)Can someone explain simply how you fit soffits and facias over the existing?

(OH can already do guttering no problems there).

c) Would I just be better off painting and leaving it a few more years?

Its cast iron guttering .The wood of the facias etc. is good and has been well painted( until I arrived anyway).

Any reasonable answers. Thanks.

4k sounds silly. Do it yerself. Just be aware cast iron gutter is heavy stuff. Reuse it, obviously.


NT

On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting new facias soffits and



Since scaffolding will not be necessary this is a rip off.

Neighbour paid £2500 for a two-bed semi (house) and this
included scaffolding and replacing the soft/rotten timber that comprises
the outer rail of the gable end ladder (the 4 x 2 timber
that the barge boards nail onto).

Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being
removed. Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

I had my two sides of a terraced property done for under 2000, perhaps the
bloke just does not want the job so priced it high.

Which reminds me, ever since we have been here in the house there has been
no felt in the loft where the tiles are. a bloke told me the roof needed
rebuilding but to me it seems pretty robust. the only issue with having air
blowing in the loft seems to be when we get the wrong kind of snow, ie the
powdery stuff, which ends up on top of the lagging and melts there. so far
no harm seems to have been done though.
Brian

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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and



Since scaffolding will not be necessary this is a rip off.

Neighbour paid £2500 for a two-bed semi (house) and this
included scaffolding and replacing the soft/rotten timber that comprises
the outer rail of the gable end ladder (the 4 x 2 timber
that the barge boards nail onto).

Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being removed.
Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

In message , Andrew
writes
On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and



Since scaffolding will not be necessary this is a rip off.

Neighbour paid £2500 for a two-bed semi (house) and this
included scaffolding and replacing the soft/rotten timber that
comprises the outer rail of the gable end ladder (the 4 x 2 timber
that the barge boards nail onto).

Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being
removed. Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

er.. shouldn't there be ventilation between the sarking/membrane and the
fascia?

--
Tim Lamb

On 23/08/2016 16:45, Andrew wrote:

Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being
removed. Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

Why use OSB when structural 16mm or 18mm uPVC is so readily available?
That is less work; and reduces the risk of the gutter ending up too far
out as TD encountered.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for £4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think this is rather expensive? I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides) 26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.


Get more quotes from local firms

My mother had quotes for a semi detached ranging from around £1.5k
nearly £5K. The cheapest quote was from a local family firm that
specialised in such work.

Perhaps your builder doesn't want this kind of work and has quoted a
price that guarantees that he doesn't get it - or enough to sub-contract
the work out and still make a profit.



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"sweetheart" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for fitting
new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for £4000.I was a bit
shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think this is rather expensive? I
have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides) 26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.

Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go wrong.




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Adam

alan_m wrote:

sweetheart wrote:

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for
£4000.

Perhaps your builder doesn't want this kind of work and has quoted a
price that guarantees that he doesn't get it

Or the quotes they give are inversely proportional to the likelihood
they think the owner can/will DIY the job.

I would be tempted to keep it if its all in good working order and all
it lacks is paint.

Thanks for the reply. Since yesterday I have had a good look at the existing guttering , soffits and fascia (OH was out cutting down a tree that had grown over 40 feet -a big job, so I had ladders and step ladders and could take a look easily)

They are all in good order. However, I really knew this and was only considering plastic because everyone tells me how maintenance free they are.
I am seriously considering painting it - at least for this year now. The reason it looks tatty is because the brown paint I put over it around 15 years ago is coming away and showing the green paint that was previously there in a few places. A good clean would sort most of it. Even the cast iron guttering is in good shape - a couple of brackets need replacing. ( I know its heavy to take down).

I am a bit disappointed in the quote to be honest.I had expected around £1600- £2000 max

I am inclined to not fix what isn't broke now.

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I have asked him to paint (and wallpaper) my kitchen right now......so I might tag this on the end.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 10:23:27 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

sweetheart wrote:

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for
£4000.

Perhaps your builder doesn't want this kind of work and has quoted a
price that guarantees that he doesn't get it

Or the quotes they give are inversely proportional to the likelihood
they think the owner can/will DIY the job.

The firm concerned did all my windows and even put a door in.They did my mothers fascias soffits and guttering last year( a four bed bungalow-much bigger than mine)and charged her £1800.

I am beginning to think he saw me coming..... shame, I liked the firm. He misjudged if he thinks OH cannot DIY. My OH was a plumber until he retired.He had a head injury (recovered considerably now) and found it hard to carry on - his speed was not there for commercial work). He has never worked on plastic roof lines though. He doesn't really enjoy doing this sort of work now and I thought it would be better to get someone. Not to mention OH is past retirement age (although at 66 most would say can still do it).

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is it of all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?

On 24/08/16 08:45, sweetheart wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is it of all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?


Probably because he sent it that way. You don't mean that that is
actually a real live email address you have used?

Madness. 100 spams an hour if you put a live email address on t'Internet.



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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:58:56 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I've never paid anyone £200 a day to paint!


NT

In article ,
sweetheart wrote:
The firm concerned did all my windows and even put a door in.They did my
mothers fascias soffits and guttering last year( a four bed
bungalow-much bigger than mine)and charged her £1800.

I am beginning to think he saw me coming..... shame, I liked the firm.

It may be that they have more work than they can cope with and overquote
so that they don't have to say no. A very good local builder does that
when he has too much work on, if you accept his quote and he manages to
fit the work in you get a very pleasant surprise when his final bill is
much lower - that way he gets glowing recommendations.

Alan

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On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:01:09 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/08/16 08:45, sweetheart wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is it of all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?


Probably because he sent it that way. You don't mean that that is
actually a real live email address you have used?

Madness. 100 spams an hour if you put a live email address on t'Internet.



I was not aware that it was showing my e mail.

On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:47:11 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:58:56 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I've never paid anyone £200 a day to paint!


NT

Including getting all the paint. I am not providing any materials.

On 24/08/16 12:18, sweetheart wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:01:09 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/08/16 08:45, sweetheart wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is it of all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?


Probably because he sent it that way. You don't mean that that is
actually a real live email address you have used?

Madness. 100 spams an hour if you put a live email address on t'Internet.



I was not aware that it was showing my e mail.


Read mark, learn and inwardly digest. This is all you just sent. Plus a
bit extra added on its way to me.

Note the line beginning 'From:'



is your email and your computer posted this to google groups from BT
account.

posting-account=UoZXNwoAAAC_Ofs00Z9O_J-lCO13HzAU

is some hashed version of your google account as well.

With access to BTs logs to find out who was assigned IP address
81.136.2.63 on Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:18:47 +0000 I could even tell who in
fact you were, or at least what BT internet account it was sent from.




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On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:01:09 AM UTC+1, The Natural
Philosopher wrote:
On 24/08/16 08:45, sweetheart wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can
go wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is
it of all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?


Probably because he sent it that way. You don't mean that that is
actually a real live email address you have used?

Madness. 100 spams an hour if you put a live email address on t'Internet.



I was not aware that it was showing my e mail.

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A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

It used to be sent via Bt but it isn't any more as bt groups no longer carry DIY. I dont know how its carrying my e mail address ( except I am signed in to google groups Hence G mail. I dont use the g mail address.I just happened to check it today.

On 24/08/16 12:50, sweetheart wrote:


It used to be sent via Bt but it isn't any more as bt groups no
longer carry DIY. I dont know how its carrying my e mail address (
except I am signed in to google groups Hence G mail.

Exactly.

I dont use the g
mail address.I just happened to check it today.

Sound plan.


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"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

sweetheart wrote:

I would be tempted to keep it if its all in good working order and all
it lacks is paint.

Thanks for the reply. Since yesterday I have had a good look at the existing guttering , soffits and fascia (OH was out cutting down a tree that had grown over 40 feet -a big job, so I had ladders and step ladders and could take a look easily)

They are all in good order. However, I really knew this and was only considering plastic because everyone tells me how maintenance free they are.
I am seriously considering painting it - at least for this year now. The reason it looks tatty is because the brown paint I put over it around 15 years ago is coming away and showing the green paint that was previously there in a few places. A good clean would sort most of it. Even the cast iron guttering is in good shape - a couple of brackets need replacing. ( I know its heavy to take down).

I am a bit disappointed in the quote to be honest.I had expected around £1600- £2000 max

I am inclined to not fix what isn't broke now.

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I have asked him to paint (and wallpaper) my kitchen right now......so I might tag this on the end.


IME plastic is not low maintenance if it is white. Also,
there are now maintenance problems with moss clearance from gutters in
most houses. A bungalow is advantageous as a pressure washer wand can be
used very easily from ground level in many cases.

Brian Gaff wrote:
I had my two sides of a terraced property done for under 2000, perhaps the
bloke just does not want the job so priced it high.

Which reminds me, ever since we have been here in the house there has been
no felt in the loft where the tiles are. a bloke told me the roof needed
rebuilding but to me it seems pretty robust. the only issue with having air
blowing in the loft seems to be when we get the wrong kind of snow, ie the
powdery stuff, which ends up on top of the lagging and melts there. so far
no harm seems to have been done though.
Brian


He's right, the roof needs stripping and felt inserted.

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and



Since scaffolding will not be necessary this is a rip off.

Neighbour paid £2500 for a two-bed semi (house) and this
included scaffolding and replacing the soft/rotten timber that
comprises the outer rail of the gable end ladder (the 4 x 2 timber
that the barge boards nail onto).

Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being
removed. Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

er.. shouldn't there be ventilation between the sarking/membrane and
the fascia?

Not IME. The OSB doesn't get wet as the DPC runs out to the gutter.
The biggest problem is getting the felt up enough without tearing to
insert the DPC under it, then renailing.

Capitol wrote :
Brian Gaff wrote:
I had my two sides of a terraced property done for under 2000, perhaps the
bloke just does not want the job so priced it high.

Which reminds me, ever since we have been here in the house there has been
no felt in the loft where the tiles are. a bloke told me the roof needed
rebuilding but to me it seems pretty robust. the only issue with having
air
blowing in the loft seems to be when we get the wrong kind of snow, ie the
powdery stuff, which ends up on top of the lagging and melts there. so far
no harm seems to have been done though.
Brian


He's right, the roof needs stripping and felt inserted.

Not necessary. My own roof was built without anything other than the
tiles, but in any spot you might choose on my roof, you will find it
has three layers of tiles, such is the overlap.

In message , Capitol
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
Normal practise is to remove existing fascia boards and replace with
12 mm OSB cut into strips with the same width as the stuff being
removed. Nail this onto the ends of the rafters so that it supports
the last row of tiles correctly. Push the tile back and use some
12 inc wide DPC to *underlap* the sarking felt which will have frayed
and sagged, and *over*lap the OSB by about 2 inches. Nail the hockey
stick UPVC moulding over the top using the correct pins. leave a gap
between the OSB and the horizontal bit at the bottom so that the
soffit board can slot into it. Some means of support will be needed
for thr soffit board if you live in a windy area.

er.. shouldn't there be ventilation between the sarking/membrane and
the fascia?

Not IME. The OSB doesn't get wet as the DPC runs out to the gutter.
The biggest problem is getting the felt up enough without tearing to
insert the DPC under it, then renailing.

I was concerned the replacing the existing might close off any planned
ventilation. Modern cold loft construction might have a plastic, insect
proof strip vent along the fascia top.



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Tim Lamb

"sweetheart" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:01:09 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 24/08/16 08:45, sweetheart wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:25:56 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:



Sounds fair to me. Splash the cash and stop worrying - nothing can go
wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I dont think I want to pay that much. Why is it of
all the replies yours is the only one that went to my g mail?


Probably because he sent it that way. You don't mean that that is
actually a real live email address you have used?

Madness. 100 spams an hour if you put a live email address on t'Internet.



I was not aware that it was showing my e mail.

No big deal with a gmail, their spam filter is so
effective that you wont see any spam. Mine is a
real one too even tho it looks munged, it isnt.
I get no spam at all.

On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:31:13 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:47:11 AM UTC+1, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:58:56 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I've never paid anyone £200 a day to paint!

Including getting all the paint. I am not providing any materials.

8 hours if you're lucky at £200 - £10 of paint = £23.75 an hour. Steep for painting.


NT

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:39:16 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:31:13 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:47:11 AM UTC+1, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:58:56 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I've never paid anyone £200 a day to paint!

Including getting all the paint. I am not providing any materials.

8 hours if you're lucky at £200 - £10 of paint = £23.75 an hour. Steep for painting.


NT

So, you reckon it can be done in a day?When I did it 15 years ago, it took me nearly three weeks. OK, thats a longer time I agree. However, , it has to be cleaned and sanded down and the flaking paint rubbed back. Thats one day in itself. The house has four sides. Its not just a front and a back and a couple of evaes.

Then it has to be under coated. Maybe two lots, I dont know what the painter will do. I gave it one coat when I did it, but given the time and damage in some places (on layer of gloss flaking off the other) it might take more..

Then he will have to paint the top coat.

Even if he gave it only one coat of under coat and one of top coat, it isn't going to be done in a day. Paint has to dry.

Its soffits, fascia and guttering he will be doing, not just a simple barge board across the front.

I thought £600 was reasonable so that I am not made to do it myself. I am older now and do not feel up to climbing on a chair and painting, then getting down and moving along and doing it again...... at least the man will have step ladders to do it. I cant do that. I do not like ladders.

I have looked at the price of paint ( and yes, I know he will get a trade discount) but its still around two large tins at £222.99 a tin ( for gloss) and another £20 or so for under coat ( per tin ) .Again it is likely to be two tins. I used more than that if I recall.

I reckon £100 in materials.

I have checked across the internet for price estimates for painting fascias and guttering. The going rate seems to be around £700/800 .

Having said that.Your last calculation of £23.75 and hour ,I wouldnt have thought was out of a ball park for a skilled apprenticed workman who I can trust in this day and age. Then there is his travel expenses and of course that money is before tax.

Anyway, it beasts the hell out of £4K for covering it in plastic.

Pay peanuts.... get a p ole? Is that what you think I should do? No thanks.

On Saturday, 27 August 2016 07:18:14 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:39:16 AM UTC+1, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:31:13 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:47:11 AM UTC+1, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:58:56 UTC+1, sweetheart wrote:

My OH knows a painter - an old friend since school days (he is good, retired now but been in the trade over 40 years) who has taken a look at it last night and offered to paint it for £600. He says its in good condition and wont take above three days.

I've never paid anyone £200 a day to paint!

Including getting all the paint. I am not providing any materials.

8 hours if you're lucky at £200 - £10 of paint = £23.75 an hour. Steep for painting.

So, you reckon it can be done in a day?

Clearly I used the figure you gave of 3 days. How do I know what does & doesn't need doing on your house.


Anyway, it beasts the hell out of £4K for covering it in plastic.

4k!

Pay peanuts.... get a p ole? Is that what you think I should do? No thanks.

Do what you like.


NT

On 23/08/2016 19:58, alan_m wrote:
On 23/08/2016 06:50, sweetheart wrote:
Hi,

I had a quote from a company I have used for most of my house for
fitting new facias soffits and gutters ( capped over existing) for
£4000.I was a bit shocked to be honest. Am I unreasonable to think
this is rather expensive? I have a two bedroom bungalow (four sides)
26ft on one side and 33ft oblong.


Get more quotes from local firms

My mother had quotes for a semi detached ranging from around £1.5k
nearly £5K. The cheapest quote was from a local family firm that
specialised in such work.

The last time I did something similar was when I was doing the loft
conversion on the previous house. I replaced all the facias on three
sides of the semi, and also the soffits on the front around a bay window
under a bonnet roof. It cost me about £500 in materials. The neighbours
had had theirs done professionally not long before and paid about £2,200
ish I seem to recall. (Note these are 2004 prices - so adjust for
inflation etc)


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Cheers,

John.

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