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Mould... again!
Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior
insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. -- Tim Lamb |
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More to the point, there has to be spores coming from somewhere and why is
the back getting wet? Bleach? Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Tim Lamb" wrote in message ... Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote: If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. Line outside back of wardrobe with expanded polystyrene tiles or polystyrene insulating lining paper. |
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On 19-Aug-16 3:25 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. Presumably, there's a source of moisture in the room? |
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In message , GB
writes On 19-Aug-16 3:25 PM, Tim Lamb wrote: Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. Presumably, there's a source of moisture in the room? Connected. It's a granny annexe but used for the last 2 years by the son of some friends. No tumble drier so any clothes air dried. Ventilation/opening windows seems a foreign language. We did give him a dehumidifier. Anyway, he has moved in with 2 friends so we a just sorting out the issues. -- Tim Lamb |
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In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:13:18 +0100, GB wrote: On 19-Aug-16 3:25 PM, Tim Lamb wrote: Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. Presumably, there's a source of moisture in the room? Not necessarily. In the far SW, where I live, the humidity is always high because of proximity to the sea and the predominant wind being SW. Black mould will grow on walls and other surfaces where there is little or no air movement, such as behind cupboards, wardrobes, mirrors, pictures etc. without there being a specific source of moisture in the room. Hmm.. may be a down side to underfloor heating where there is little air circulation due to minimal convection. -- Tim Lamb |
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In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. I have yet to be disappointed with HG mould spray. Obviously chlorine-based from the smell, but it seems to keep mould away for a lot longer than simple bleach, so I suspect it contains more than just bleach. http://tinyurl.com/hwqfost OK. I'll pass that on to the domestic management dept.:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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In message , Peter Parry
writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. Line outside back of wardrobe with expanded polystyrene tiles or polystyrene insulating lining paper. Interesting. I suppose I could encourage a bit more air movement by moving it forward of the skirting as well. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Friday, 19 August 2016 15:26:46 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:
Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. No liquid product is going to stop condensation. You must have RH very close to dew point for this to happen with CWI. Reduce RH. NT |
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In article ,
Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. Line outside back of wardrobe with expanded polystyrene tiles or polystyrene insulating lining paper. Interesting. I suppose I could encourage a bit more air movement by moving it forward of the skirting as well. That's the wrong reason. You need thermal insulation between the wall and the back of the wardrobe, and there must be no air gap between the wall and the thermal insulation (doesn't matter about between the insulation and the wardrobe). I would buy an 8x4 sheet of 25mm celotex/kingspan or equivalent. Fix it to the wall behind the wardrobe, making sure any gap around the edge is filled so it's air-tight against the wall (or condensation will form behind it and run out the bottom). Also, avoid piling any fabric against the rear of the wardrobe, as it will form an addition layer of porous insulation and risk getting damp at the back. This will prevent the rear of the wardrobe dropping below the dew point in the room, and suffering from condensation. The other options are move the wardrobe so it's not against an outside wall, or get the outside wall insulated. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:49:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. Line outside back of wardrobe with expanded polystyrene tiles or polystyrene insulating lining paper. Interesting. I suppose I could encourage a bit more air movement by moving it forward of the skirting as well. That's the wrong reason. You need thermal insulation between the wall and the back of the wardrobe, and there must be no air gap between the wall and the thermal insulation (doesn't matter about between the insulation and the wardrobe). I would buy an 8x4 sheet of 25mm celotex/kingspan or equivalent. Fix it to the wall behind the wardrobe, making sure any gap around the edge is filled so it's air-tight against the wall (or condensation will form behind it and run out the bottom). Also, avoid piling any fabric against the rear of the wardrobe, as it will form an addition layer of porous insulation and risk getting damp at the back. This will prevent the rear of the wardrobe dropping below the dew point in the room, and suffering from condensation. The other options are move the wardrobe so it's not against an outside wall, or get the outside wall insulated. It's already insulated. More is going to make minimal difference. It's time to address the cause & get RH down. NT |
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 09:26:18 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , tabbypurr writes On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:49:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:25:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. Line outside back of wardrobe with expanded polystyrene tiles or polystyrene insulating lining paper. Interesting. I suppose I could encourage a bit more air movement by moving it forward of the skirting as well. That's the wrong reason. You need thermal insulation between the wall and the back of the wardrobe, and there must be no air gap between the wall and the thermal insulation (doesn't matter about between the insulation and the wardrobe). I would buy an 8x4 sheet of 25mm celotex/kingspan or equivalent. Fix it to the wall behind the wardrobe, making sure any gap around the edge is filled so it's air-tight against the wall (or condensation will form behind it and run out the bottom). Also, avoid piling any fabric against the rear of the wardrobe, as it will form an addition layer of porous insulation and risk getting damp at the back. This will prevent the rear of the wardrobe dropping below the dew point in the room, and suffering from condensation. The other options are move the wardrobe so it's not against an outside wall, or get the outside wall insulated. It's already insulated. More is going to make minimal difference. It's time to address the cause & get RH down. I think attaching insulation to the wardrobe back can't do any harm and It can. Apart from being work unlikely to succeed it can trap condensation, worsening mould. NT |
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 15:04:19 UTC+1, Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 02:31:46 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote: On Saturday, 20 August 2016 09:26:18 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tabbypurr writes On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:49:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes I think attaching insulation to the wardrobe back can't do any harm and It can. Apart from being work unlikely to succeed it can trap condensation, worsening mould. Worked every time I've done it. on uninsulated walls or insulated? Polystyrene insulation is closed cell so it can't "trap" condensation. Like any plastic, polystyrene foam is vapour permeable. Currently condensation can evaporate readily. The problem isn't water dripping from walls but warm air cooling as it gets between the colder wall and warmer wardrobe. This creates a slight film of condensation which is enough to allow mould growth either on the wall or the wardrobe. You commonly see this occurring in a room used to dry clothes or a North/East facing corner of a room which tends to be cooler than others. indeed If clothes are dried in the room the answer is to get a proper dehumidifier in the room and run it while clothes are drying and for a time afterwards (It also speeds up the clothes drying). Yes, or other measures that also reduce RH. Some people for example seem to have no idea how to cook without creating masses of water vapour and wasted gas. NT |
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 18:00:11 UTC+1, GB wrote:
I was surprised that the OP mentioned that there is mould on the wardrobe, but not on the wall. Any explanations? maybe the wardrobe back is more nutritious to mould. NT |
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In message , GB
writes On 20-Aug-16 3:04 PM, Peter Parry wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 02:31:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Saturday, 20 August 2016 09:26:18 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tabbypurr writes On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:49:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes I think attaching insulation to the wardrobe back can't do any harm and It can. Apart from being work unlikely to succeed it can trap condensation, worsening mould. Worked every time I've done it. Polystyrene insulation is closed cell so it can't "trap" condensation. The problem isn't water dripping from walls but warm air cooling as it gets between the colder wall and warmer wardrobe. This creates a slight film of condensation which is enough to allow mould growth either on the wall or the wardrobe. You commonly see this occurring in a room used to dry clothes or a North/East facing corner of a room which tends to be cooler than others. If clothes are dried in the room the answer is to get a proper dehumidifier in the room and run it while clothes are drying and for a time afterwards (It also speeds up the clothes drying). I was surprised that the OP mentioned that there is mould on the wardrobe, but not on the wall. Any explanations? I rather wonder if damp clothes have been hung. The door is fairly close fitting so the air can't circulate. There is grey powdery mould on the wall side of the hardboard and discolouration on the white finished inside. -- Tim Lamb |
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"GB" wrote in message ... On 20-Aug-16 3:04 PM, Peter Parry wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 02:31:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Saturday, 20 August 2016 09:26:18 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , tabbypurr writes On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:49:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Peter Parry writes I think attaching insulation to the wardrobe back can't do any harm and It can. Apart from being work unlikely to succeed it can trap condensation, worsening mould. Worked every time I've done it. Polystyrene insulation is closed cell so it can't "trap" condensation. The problem isn't water dripping from walls but warm air cooling as it gets between the colder wall and warmer wardrobe. This creates a slight film of condensation which is enough to allow mould growth either on the wall or the wardrobe. You commonly see this occurring in a room used to dry clothes or a North/East facing corner of a room which tends to be cooler than others. If clothes are dried in the room the answer is to get a proper dehumidifier in the room and run it while clothes are drying and for a time afterwards (It also speeds up the clothes drying). I was surprised that the OP mentioned that there is mould on the wardrobe, but not on the wall. Any explanations? Presumably the mould likes the surface treatment on the back of the wardrobe better. |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:00:05 +0100, GB
wrote: I was surprised that the OP mentioned that there is mould on the wardrobe, but not on the wall. Any explanations? As Tim has said - damp clothes put in wardrobe. It may also be that a previous occupant has had a similar problem and used mould resistant paint on the wall. |
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On 19/08/2016 15:25, Tim Lamb wrote:
Cheap flatpack wardrobe fitted close to but not touching exterior insulated cavity wall. The hardboard backing sheet has some discolouration due to mould although the wall is unblemished. If this was in a barn, I would slap on some Cuprinol 5* or some such. Is there an effective product for interior (bedroom) use. The thing that puzzles me, is that the exterior wall would normally be colder and attract any condensing water vapour. I presume the wall is truly dry? I'm left wondering if this is more down to the hardboard absorbing moisture without being "wet" yet to a sufficient level to allow mould growth. The consolation is that any mould treatment would also be absorbed by the hardboard! |
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