Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack, aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?

On 15-Aug-16 2:23 PM, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack, aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?


My factory units had sectional up and over doors, which slid up side
runners and laid flat under the roof. Unlike roller shutter doors, they
are double skinned and insulated. I don't know how well they would stand
up to a deliberate attempt to drive through them, but others in
neighbouring units have survived accidental, but firm, impact from large
vans with minimal obvious damage. If you think it a serious threat,
retractable anti-ram raid bollards in front would be the usual defence.

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On 15/08/2016 18:30, Nightjar wrote:
On 15-Aug-16 2:23 PM, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched
some neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one
with a stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear
replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack,
aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop
neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?


My factory units had sectional up and over doors, which slid up side
runners and laid flat under the roof. Unlike roller shutter doors, they
are double skinned and insulated. I don't know how well they would stand
up to a deliberate attempt to drive through them, but others in
neighbouring units have survived accidental, but firm, impact from large
vans with minimal obvious damage. If you think it a serious threat,
retractable anti-ram raid bollards in front would be the usual defence.


If you have forklifts available a big RSJ across the doors is pretty
common and probably effective.

On Monday, 15 August 2016 14:23:26 UTC+1, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Esavian have been doing sliding doors since WW I and are still in business as Jewers
http://www.jewersdoors.co.uk/Products

And anti ram raid precautions as others say.

Owain

On Monday, 15 August 2016 14:23:26 UTC+1, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack, aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?

No normal door will stand a "ram raid".
One deterrent is removable bollard(s) in front of the door.
(Steel post drops into sockets in the ground. Obviously with a lock.)

Or you can bollards that when hit tip and a "prong" comes out of the ground and stops a vehicle.

Many breakins to this sort of building is through the roof which often is lightweight construction.

On Monday, 15 August 2016 14:23:26 UTC+1, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack, aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?

What is it about new posters that makes them write with a list?

A door is more secure if you drill some holes in it and leave lights on so burglars can be seen. IR cameras connected to a watcht-room might be worth while. Any door can be broken open if you use bollards they will just geta bigger ram or a narrower one.

Or go in through the roof.
You can appreciate the ideal of keeping serfs and slaves now can't you. And of keeping them well fed -as a Fox News anchor complete with Door Stop brain was quick to point out recently.

On Tuesday, 16 August 2016 08:18:26 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:

What is it about new posters that makes them write with a list?

I apologise for seeming to be getting at you. I well remember doing the same thing. Maybe it was just unfamiliarity with using a keyboard or the need to save on electrons. I find more time to be discerning now that I realise all I am here to do is waste my time with the other time wasters.

Any door can be broken open if you use bollards they will just get a bigger ram or a narrower one. Or go in through the roof.

The disadvantage with wood is that it will need constant maintenance. This balanced by it's advantage of being readily maintained. A coat of paint every year being as good an advert as a glimpse of your profit sheet. OTOH a decadal run of neglect tends to shine out that the books are tanning badly.

Weatherlawyer wrote:

Weatherlawyer wrote:

What is it about new posters that makes them write with a list?

I apologise for seeming to be getting at you.

I wonder why you think Adam is 'new'?

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On Monday, 15 August 2016 14:23:26 UTC+1, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some
neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a
stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear
replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack,
aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop
neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?

What is it about new posters that makes them write with a list?

A door is more secure if you drill some holes in it and leave lights on so
burglars can be seen. IR cameras connected to a watcht-room might be worth
while. Any door can be broken open if you use bollards they will just geta
bigger ram or a narrower one.

Or ram raid something easier to get into unless you have something very
desirable inside.

Or go in through the roof.
You can appreciate the ideal of keeping serfs and slaves now can't you.
And of keeping them well fed -as a Fox News anchor complete with Door Stop
brain was quick to point out recently.

On 16/08/2016 07:39, harry wrote:

Or you can bollards that when hit tip and a "prong" comes out of the
ground and stops a vehicle.

That must count as too dangerous to be legal.

On Tuesday, 16 August 2016 08:18:26 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:
What is it about new posters that makes them write with a list?

Did you never encounter - Dorothy I think her name was - who was an expert on fan motors?

Every post of hers was like a PowerPoint presentation :-)

She knew her stuff though.

Owain

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Did you never encounter - Dorothy I think her name was - who was an expert on fan motors?

Disappeared 4-5 years back

http://web.archive.org/web/20110317064218/http://www.dorothybradbury.co.uk

A lady was killed the other day by somekind of door closing mechanism. H/c
were investigating last I heard.
Brian

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On 16/08/2016 07:39, harry wrote:

Or you can bollards that when hit tip and a "prong" comes out of the
ground and stops a vehicle.

That must count as too dangerous to be legal.

Brian Gaff wrote

A lady was killed the other day by somekind of door closing mechanism.

How do you know she was a lady and not just a woman ?

Was she wearing a tiara at the time ?

H/c were investigating last I heard.


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On 16/08/2016 07:39, harry wrote:

Or you can bollards that when hit tip and a "prong" comes out of the
ground and stops a vehicle.

That must count as too dangerous to be legal.

In article ,
Adam Aglionby wrote:
Probably looking at having to replace a industrial unit/barn sized
door.

Building is of an age where sliding door would be in keeping.

Roller shutter doors seem to be standard fit now but having watched some
neds at beginning of year on CCTV drive , gently, through one with a
stolen car , not entirely convinced they are most secure option.

Old fahioned timber sliding doors , will need serious sliding gear
replaced, seem to be less vulnerable to similar drive through attack,
aware that bottom track or wheels also need protected to stop
neer-do-wells jacking door off track.

Any advice from panel?

If you look at the most secure doors - like into a strongroom - they are
generally a single door type. Because the weak point will always be the
hinges and fastening. Folding or sliding doors are going to have several
of those. ;-)

Most seem to be rollers these days. So I'd guess the best compromise. With
the added advantage of being relatively easy to motorise.

The sort of sliding gate you get outside can be pretty strong too - but
not likely to be easy for a storage unit etc where you'd want a large door
relative to wall size.

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On Tuesday, 16 August 2016 10:13:07 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

Or ram raid something easier to get into unless you have something very
desirable inside.

You think a team of robbers just ram raid a premisses on spec?

On Tuesday, 16 August 2016 12:33:42 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote

A lady was killed the other day by somekind of door closing mechanism.

How do you know she was a lady and not just a woman ?

Was she wearing a tiara at the time ?

Some of us use our brains for more than stuffing

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 12:18:51 PM UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
A lady was killed the other day by somekind of door closing mechanism. H/c
were investigating last I heard.
Brian

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Or you can bollards that when hit tip and a "prong" comes out of the
ground and stops a vehicle.

That must count as too dangerous to be legal.


Thanks all for the input, only been on usenet since late 90`s, so yeah, late to the party ;-)

Strangely party that was ram raided, vision of j turning stolen merc through door, wasn`t like that at all, beside block of flats less than 30`away, nope, gently pushed on corner until bent the slats out of the track then bit more pushing to open it like old sardine tin. Anyway, waited until last person had left building and knew where safe was and that alarm was disabled because of building work.

Unlucky safe was full of unmarked car keys for vehicles not even on site, no one handles cash nowadays.

Sliding would look nice, but cost of materials is rather off putting , estimating size at somewhere around 14 X 10` x 2 , security really relies on full top and bottom tracks and bottom tracks are a pain to keep clear, not easy to draught proof either.

Sliding insulated panel doors , as seen on fire stations, would be marvellous but if thought timber sliding came with sticker shock, doors so expensive you can get them on lease.

Folding panel doors, specifically dangerous by design bi-fold over size garage doors does remind me , thanks Brian , to actually ask questions beyond the price,two killed by runaway get in door few years ago.

http://hydroswing-hydraulic-doors.co...-a-Hydroswing1

Shouldn`t imagine will be bothering Hydroswing`s no doubt dapper rep`s for a quote anytime soon.

Roller shutter and drop in bollards , due to out of way location and accident protection rather than content value , looks like the cost effective option.

Thanks! until the next line of questions about land drainage and soakaways....