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Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick?
I'll get me coat. Cheers Dave R -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box |
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On 06/07/16 16:02, David wrote:
Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? I think they are functionally indistinguishable I'll get me coat. Cheers Dave R -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:02:02 +0000, David wrote:
Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? Judging by the people using that phrase, I've always thought it's a nazidick. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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En el artículo , Bob Eager
escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:15:02 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. It had to happen. But I did use lower case so perhaps it doesn't count. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 06/07/2016 20:15, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? -- Rod |
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"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 06/07/2016 20:15, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artículo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nope, none of them had the balls to top themselves. |
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En el artículo , polygonum
escribió: D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nah, they're too far to the right of Herr Hitler. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On 06/07/16 22:27, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , polygonum escribió: D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nah, they're too far to the right of Herr Hitler. And that pathetic excuse at humour just about sums up those who are so stupid they need an EU to tell them what to think. -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone |
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I'd not know how to define either myself.
It depends where you base your centre line. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "David" wrote in message ... Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? I'll get me coat. Cheers Dave R -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box |
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En el artículo , David
escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , David escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. Unless you really, really aren't a fan of for example Matthew or Steve. -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:02:02 +0000, David wrote:
Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? I'll get me coat. No, don't go, Dave. You made a valid observation (now go wash your mouth out!). :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:15:02 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. Close but not quite. He'd invented a new portmanteau word by simply omitting the space character. Otoh, if he'd left the space in... -- Johnny B Good |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:50:03 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:15:02 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. It had to happen. But I did use lower case so perhaps it doesn't count. It wasn't that that saved you, it was the omission of the space separator character. Either by design or accident, you'd invented a new portmanteau word. *That's* what saved you! :-) I still think Dave used a better 'turn of phrase' to make his point though. -- Johnny B Good |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:50:58 +0100, polygonum wrote:
On 06/07/2016 20:15, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Only if any of them ascend to a position of power whereby they become involved in a "War on Terror" that escalates to the point where they start "Gassing The Muslims" in a futile bid to enact "The Final Solution". Godwin himself, according to his wikipedia entry, is still very much alive (born October 1956) so could conceivably still be around should history exercise its 'party trick' and repeat itself in the next decade or three. My own guess is that he wouldn't change the wording to include the names of mere repeat offenders. Just to remind everyone, the "Godwin'd" reference isn't to Godwin's Law itself but to a corollary which, quoting from wikipedia, goes like this: " that once such a comparison[to Hitler or the Nazis] is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress."[1] According to wikipedia, the above principle is frequently referred to [erroneously] as Godwin's Law.[1] Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the actual Godwin's Law (to quote once more from wikipedia) goes like this: "Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1" €”€‹€‹that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism." Since Bob *wasn't* comparing someone or something to Hitler or Nazism but merely opining that a better phrase for "a right prick" was in his opinion "a nazidick" (for all I know, the portmanteauing of nazi and dick may have been purely accidental) and, in any case, whether separate words or not and regardless of spelling (lower case n instead of upper case), Bob wasn't in any danger of invoking "Godwin's Law" (or its corollary). Now that I've got that off my chest in this exercise of "Topic Drift", I now return you to the "Main Programme" (actually, does anyone *want* to get back to the "Main Discussion?). [1] The text in square brackets within the quoted sections, [to Hitler or the Nazis] and, [erroneously], were added by me to retain the original context of the complete statements from which I was quoting. If you have any doubts about this (or my interpretation of the context), it's easy enough to find the wiki articles themselves and see (and judge) for yourself. -- Johnny B Good |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:27:27 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , polygonum escribió: D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nah, they're too far to the right of Herr Hitler. Bingo! Now, *that's* an example of the corollary of "Godwin's Law"! :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:37:34 +0100, pamela wrote:
On 22:27 6 Jul 2016, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , polygonum escribió: D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nah, they're too far to the right of Herr Hitler. :-) What are *you* grinning for? Did you find the *comparison* funny or were you thinking what I was thinking? :-) TBH, the *comparison* was funny but as you indicated, not in a LOL way. -- Johnny B Good |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , David escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. That, methinks, is on account it smacks too much of the childishness of the phrase it's trying to be an antonym to. The phrase "right prick" has obviously been drawn from a more mature and traditional expression "a right prick" which makes the point of ridicule all the better imho. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:04:55 +0000, David wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , David escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. Unless you really, really aren't a fan of, for example, Matthew or Steve. Unfortunately, afaiac, that was simply a non sequitur. Would you care to explain? Apologies for the question if I appear to be obtuse but the references to Matthew and Steve, sans surnames, just aren't 'ringing any bells' for me (not even after correcting the punctuation). -- Johnny B Good |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:41:13 +0000, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:04:55 +0000, David wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , David escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. Unless you really, really aren't a fan of, for example, Matthew or Steve. Unfortunately, afaiac, that was simply a non sequitur. Would you care to explain? Apologies for the question if I appear to be obtuse but the references to Matthew and Steve, sans surnames, just aren't 'ringing any bells' for me (not even after correcting the punctuation). Ah, bless :-) Such an innocent! Avid consumers of broadcast programmes will no doubt have come across Matthew Wright (morning TV) and Steve Wright (in the afternoon, Radio 2) (also referred to as Wrighty). A juxtapositioning of two words right and Wright which sound the same but are spelled slightly differently. Perhaps a Pune? I suppose if I commented on the current leadership contest, I would write about a Right rite - but I won't. It wouldn't be right. So I left it. Cheers Dave R -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:49:56 +0000, David wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:41:13 +0000, Johnny B Good wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:04:55 +0000, David wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , David escribió: Is the opposite of a lefty**** a right prick? "Righty****" doesn't work, somehow. Unless you really, really aren't a fan of, for example, Matthew or Steve. Unfortunately, afaiac, that was simply a non sequitur. Would you care to explain? Apologies for the question if I appear to be obtuse but the references to Matthew and Steve, sans surnames, just aren't 'ringing any bells' for me (not even after correcting the punctuation). Ah, bless :-) Such an innocent! Avid consumers of broadcast programmes will no doubt have come across Matthew Wright (morning TV) and Steve Wright (in the afternoon, Radio 2) (also referred to as Wrighty). Ah! I've heard of Steve Wright (but more to do with his occasional TV appearances - I've not been a regular radio listener for over two decades now, not that I've got anything against the practice, I simply CBA to set up a radio or an internet stream). ISTR there was (still is?) a radio programme called "Steve Wright in The Afternoon" which, afair, was on Radio One. Mathew Wright, I suspect 'bats for the other team' (commercial TV, that is!) which would completely explain his absence in my recollection of radio and TV 'celebs'. Anyhow, I thank you for those words of explanation. The context I was lacking now reveals the meaning in your remarks which imply that both Wrights hold left wing views (strongly or otherwise). A juxtapositioning of two words right and Wright which sound the same but are spelled slightly differently. Perhaps a Pune? Not a Pune. A word *does* exist to describe exactly that condition (sounding the same but with subtly different spellings to distinguish their meanings), and that word is "homophone". I simply took a guess (I was pretty sure it was homo-something or other) and google led me to this page: http://www.magickeys.com/books/riddles/words.html Where it was grouped with HOMONYMS, HOMOGRAPHS, and HETERONYMS Useful information if you want to succinctly describe similar word usage in the future and leave it to your audience to google the meanings if needed (it's all about "Spreading the Education" :-) I suppose if I commented on the current leadership contest, I would write about a Right rite - but I won't. It wouldn't be right. So I left it. Aha! The old "one two" treatment, two homophones back to back followed up with a homonym in the penultimate word - nice!. :-) I might seem like "A Clever Fellow" but really, the truth of the matter is that I'm merely clever enough to know how to use google to refresh a hazy recollection of the facts in order to make sure I don't trip myself up and look a complete fool. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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En el artículo , Johnny B Good johnny-b-
escribió: Close but not quite. He'd invented a new portmanteau word by simply omitting the space character. Otoh, if he'd left the space in... A red herring, Johnny. The use of a portmanteau is neither here nor there; the word 'Nazi' was used, therefore Godwin applies. IMO. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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En el artículo , David
escribió: I suppose if I commented on the current leadership contest, I would write about a Right rite - but I won't. It wouldn't be right. So I left it. *applauds* Niiice. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 07:53:25 +0100, pamela wrote:
On 00:19 8 Jul 2016, Johnny B Good wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:37:34 +0100, pamela wrote: On 22:27 6 Jul 2016, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , polygonum escribió: D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Nah, they're too far to the right of Herr Hitler. :-) What are *you* grinning for? Did you find the *comparison* funny or were you thinking what I was thinking? :-) TBH, the *comparison* was funny but as you indicated, not in a LOL way. Discussing F,J or G inevitably leads to such a protracted argument that you may as well terminate discussion at the earliest stage, a la Godwin, for all the difference it makes. They're right wing but that's not the connection I made with Godwin. HTH. Let's face it. Any off topic discussions relating to politics are bound to become pointlessly protracted. Normally I'd set the ignore flag on such threads but, in this case, the references to "F, J or G" were merely a fleeting intrusion on a thread about whether a suitable antonym to TNP's over-use of the childish expression, "lefty****" would be a "right prick". The mention of Gowin's Law and "F, J or G" were an example of modest 'topic drift' worthy in itself of following up in what started as a light hearted thread involving the use of childishly 'bad language'. Sometimes the topic drift can take a news group thread to a more worthy place. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On 08/07/16 19:26, Johnny B Good wrote:
the childish expression, "lefty****" Its not childish. 3 years olds don't say that. It is however fairly accurate. As comrade Corbyn is simply demonstrating -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD) |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 19:14:11 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Johnny B Good johnny-b- escribió: Close but not quite. He'd invented a new portmanteau word by simply omitting the space character. Otoh, if he'd left the space in... A red herring, Johnny. The use of a portmanteau is neither here nor there; the word 'Nazi' was used, therefore Godwin applies. IMO. You're right about the 'Red Herring' aspect. I assume you're referring to the corollary rather than Godwin's Law itself. TBH, this example seems to be an 'edge case' and I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in that he was simply offering his opinion that a "nazidick" was a more appropriate alternative to the phrase a "Right Prick" rather than equating any one person's behaviour or attitude directly to that of Hitler or the Nazis. -- Johnny B Good |
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snip Anyhow, I thank you for those words of explanation. The context I was lacking now reveals the meaning in your remarks which imply that both Wrights hold left wing views (strongly or otherwise). snip Nothing so complex - just pointing out that "righty****" might be considered a description of Steve and Matthew if you really, really didn't like them. You have to ignore the minor difference in spelling, of course. Nothing political (unlike most of the postings around here at the moment). Cheers Dave R -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box |
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:26:53 +0000, David wrote:
snip Anyhow, I thank you for those words of explanation. The context I was lacking now reveals the meaning in your remarks which imply that both Wrights hold left wing views (strongly or otherwise). snip Nothing so complex - just pointing out that "righty****" might be considered a description of Steve and Matthew if you really, really didn't like them. You have to ignore the minor difference in spelling, of course. Nothing political (unlike most of the postings around here at the moment). Sorry, my bad for reading more into your remark than you suggesting that the word 'righty****' might work, but only in the case of those who happen to hate either or both "Wrights" and were in need of a suitable perjorative. As you say, nothing whatsoever to do with politics, just a suggested situation where the word "righty****" *might* work better. :-) I feel a bit of a fool for prevailing upon you to explain your witty remark... not once but, twice! -- Johnny B Good |
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On 08/07/2016 00:12, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:50:58 +0100, polygonum wrote: On 06/07/2016 20:15, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager escribió: nazidick. I think you just Godwin'd this thread. D'you think Godwin would consider adding Farage, Johnson & Gove to thread argument terminators? Only if any of them ascend to a position of power whereby they become involved in a "War on Terror" that escalates to the point where they start "Gassing The Muslims" in a futile bid to enact "The Final Solution". Godwin himself, according to his wikipedia entry, is still very much alive (born October 1956) so could conceivably still be around should history exercise its 'party trick' and repeat itself in the next decade or three. My own guess is that he wouldn't change the wording to include the names of mere repeat offenders. Just to remind everyone, the "Godwin'd" reference isn't to Godwin's Law itself but to a corollary which, quoting from wikipedia, goes like this: " that once such a comparison[to Hitler or the Nazis] is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress."[1] According to wikipedia, the above principle is frequently referred to [erroneously] as Godwin's Law.[1] Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the actual Godwin's Law (to quote once more from wikipedia) goes like this: "Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1" €”€‹€‹that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism." Since Bob *wasn't* comparing someone or something to Hitler or Nazism but merely opining that a better phrase for "a right prick" was in his opinion "a nazidick" (for all I know, the portmanteauing of nazi and dick may have been purely accidental) and, in any case, whether separate words or not and regardless of spelling (lower case n instead of upper case), Bob wasn't in any danger of invoking "Godwin's Law" (or its corollary). Now that I've got that off my chest in this exercise of "Topic Drift", I now return you to the "Main Programme" (actually, does anyone *want* to get back to the "Main Discussion?). [1] The text in square brackets within the quoted sections, [to Hitler or the Nazis] and, [erroneously], were added by me to retain the original context of the complete statements from which I was quoting. If you have any doubts about this (or my interpretation of the context), it's easy enough to find the wiki articles themselves and see (and judge) for yourself. These days, how many threads progress any significant number of posts without FJG being mentioned? (Yes - was aware of the actual Godwin's law.) -- Rod |
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