michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Big Les Wade wrote:
It's why you should be very suspicious of the public face of the outers.
Seems only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed. Now it would
seem hard working immigrants are the threat. Until he finds another
bandwagon to jump on.

Could you supply links to articles that quote IDS berating hard working
immigrants? Once you've done that, please provide some that quote him
berating the lazy unemployed.

You could make a start by reading his 2014 conference speech.

Finding written evidence of what he's said in various interviews is a bit
more difficult.

But you said "only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed,

Well presumably the implication of "only yesterday" was that this
was IDS's position prior to his resignation as Work and Pensions
Secretary. Anyway this is the headline of a sympathetic interview
on a Conservative website with him in 2013.

We will stop paying people to be idle: an interview with Iain Duncan Smith
http://www.conservativehome.com/high...-stop-paying-p
eople-to-be-idle-an-interview-with-iain-duncan-smith.html

Where in there does he berate people for being lazy?

now it would seem hard working immigrants are the threat",

quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain, he said, with
the Government's Migration Advisory Committee reporting that for every 100
migrants employed 23 UK-born workers have been forced out.

/quote

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/po...o-the-people-e
us-open-door-migration-screwing-british-workers-while-the-richest-benefi
t-ids-declares/

Assuming the Sun can be relied on, he says immigration, or the
politicians that allow it, is the threat rather than immigrants. The
distinction, is absolutely crucial.


so presumably you must know where you have read these accounts of him
saying that, and
can quote them here. But if not, don't worry, I'll simply assume in
future that you
cannot back up any statements that you make here

Well its fairly obvious to me that you're mistaken in this instance.

IMHO somebody who goes around accusing other people of making
things up, as you just did, based solely on their their own
inability to spend two minutes on Google, isnt really in any
position to be riding such a high horse.

Balls.

--
Les

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message ...
michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message ...
"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Big Les Wade wrote:
It's why you should be very suspicious of the public face of the outers.
Seems only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed. Now it would
seem hard working immigrants are the threat. Until he finds another
bandwagon to jump on.

Could you supply links to articles that quote IDS berating hard working
immigrants? Once you've done that, please provide some that quote him
berating the lazy unemployed.

You could make a start by reading his 2014 conference speech.

Finding written evidence of what he's said in various interviews is a bit
more difficult.

But you said "only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed,

Well presumably the implication of "only yesterday" was that this
was IDS's position prior to his resignation as Work and Pensions
Secretary. Anyway this is the headline of a sympathetic interview
on a Conservative website with him in 2013.

We will stop paying people to be idle: an interview with Iain Duncan Smith
http://www.conservativehome.com/high...-stop-paying-p
eople-to-be-idle-an-interview-with-iain-duncan-smith.html

Where in there does he berate people for being lazy?

How else does he seek to explain people who prefer to
claim benefits (according to him) rather than do everything
they can get themselves jobs ?

What other explanation does he give for their not doing this ?




now it would seem hard working immigrants are the threat",

quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain, he said, with
the Government's Migration Advisory Committee reporting that for every 100
migrants employed 23 UK-born workers have been forced out.

/quote

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/po...o-the-people-e
us-open-door-migration-screwing-british-workers-while-the-richest-benefi
t-ids-declares/

Assuming the Sun can be relied on,

You asked for a quote. Presumably you would have rejected
a quote from the Guardian or the Mirror out of hand as being
left wing propaganda. And yet when a quote is provide from
the "Sun" the paper which probably most accords with your
views you question that too.

he says immigration, or the politicians that allow it, is the threat rather than
immigrants. The distinction, is absolutely crucial.

I notice you've cut what he's actually quoted as saying

quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain,"
he said

/quote


As to your other "point" there is no distinction at all.

Immigration, or the politicians that allow it, is the threat
only because of the actions of emigrants in taking jobs.

Basically chum you appear to be the kind of person who
simply can't admit that they're ever in the wrong, no matter
how much evidence is produced showing precisely that.




michael adams

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michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
...
michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Big Les Wade wrote:
It's why you should be very suspicious of the public face of the outers.
Seems only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed. Now it would
seem hard working immigrants are the threat. Until he finds another
bandwagon to jump on.

Could you supply links to articles that quote IDS berating hard working
immigrants? Once you've done that, please provide some that quote him
berating the lazy unemployed.

You could make a start by reading his 2014 conference speech.

Finding written evidence of what he's said in various interviews is a bit
more difficult.

But you said "only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed,

Well presumably the implication of "only yesterday" was that this
was IDS's position prior to his resignation as Work and Pensions
Secretary. Anyway this is the headline of a sympathetic interview
on a Conservative website with him in 2013.

We will stop paying people to be idle: an interview with Iain Duncan Smith
http://www.conservativehome.com/high...-stop-paying-p
eople-to-be-idle-an-interview-with-iain-duncan-smith.html

Where in there does he berate people for being lazy?

How else does he seek to explain people who prefer to
claim benefits (according to him) rather than do everything
they can get themselves jobs ?

What other explanation does he give for their not doing this ?

None AFICS, but I can give you at least one if you're interested.
Doesn't sound as though you are, as you're so confident you know all
about it. I'm not sure what grounds you have for this belief.

Anyway here it is: the vast majority of "jobs" available for unemployed
people these days are temporary, part-time situations that do not pay a
living weekly wage (because of the short hours) and need to be topped up
with working tax credits. Many of them are not really jobs at all,
they're piece-work or zero-hours. If you take one of these jobs you lose
your job-seeker's allowance while you are waiting for your employer to
pay you; while you are working, there will be a delay until your tax
credits are established; and when the job ends there will be a delay
until your JSA is restarted. When you have no other income this is a
serious problem.

Everyone who has ever been unemployed knows all this.

now it would seem hard working immigrants are the threat",

quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain, he said, with
the Government's Migration Advisory Committee reporting that for every 100
migrants employed 23 UK-born workers have been forced out.

/quote

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/po...o-the-people-e
us-open-door-migration-screwing-british-workers-while-the-richest-benefi
t-ids-declares/

Assuming the Sun can be relied on,

You asked for a quote. Presumably you would have rejected
a quote from the Guardian or the Mirror out of hand as being
left wing propaganda. And yet when a quote is provide from
the "Sun" the paper which probably most accords with your
views you question that too.

All I did was say "Assuming the Sun can be relied on". It's not exactly
a controversial qualifier.

he says immigration, or the politicians that allow it, is the threat
rather than
immigrants. The distinction, is absolutely crucial.

I notice you've cut what he's actually quoted as saying

quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain,"
he said

/quote

Yes. That true statement blames immigration. It doesn't blame the
immigrants.

As to your other "point" there is no distinction at all.

Immigration, or the politicians that allow it, is the threat
only because of the actions of emigrants in taking jobs.

Yes.

Basically chum you appear to be the kind of person who
simply can't admit that they're ever in the wrong, no matter
how much evidence is produced showing precisely that.

The trick is to read news reports carefully and critically, to check
what they do say, rather than what they imply or gloss over. Study hard
and you may see the light. Chum.

--
Les

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message ...
michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message ...
michael adams posted

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Big Les Wade wrote:
It's why you should be very suspicious of the public face of the outers.
Seems only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed. Now it would
seem hard working immigrants are the threat. Until he finds another
bandwagon to jump on.

Could you supply links to articles that quote IDS berating hard working
immigrants? Once you've done that, please provide some that quote him
berating the lazy unemployed.

You could make a start by reading his 2014 conference speech.

Finding written evidence of what he's said in various interviews is a bit
more difficult.

But you said "only yesterday IDS was berating the lazy unemployed,

Well presumably the implication of "only yesterday" was that this
was IDS's position prior to his resignation as Work and Pensions
Secretary. Anyway this is the headline of a sympathetic interview
on a Conservative website with him in 2013.

We will stop paying people to be idle: an interview with Iain Duncan Smith
http://www.conservativehome.com/high...-stop-paying-p
eople-to-be-idle-an-interview-with-iain-duncan-smith.html

Where in there does he berate people for being lazy?

How else does he seek to explain people who prefer to
claim benefits (according to him) rather than do everything
they can get themselves jobs ?

What other explanation does he give for their not doing this ?

None AFICS, but I can give you at least one if you're interested. Doesn't sound as
though you are, as you're so confident you know all about it. I'm not sure what grounds
you have for this belief.

Anyway here it is: the vast majority of "jobs" available for unemployed people these
days are temporary, part-time situations that do not pay a living weekly wage (because
of the short hours) and need to be topped up with working tax credits. Many of them are
not really jobs at all, they're piece-work or zero-hours. If you take one of these jobs
you lose your job-seeker's allowance while you are waiting for your employer to pay
you; while you are working, there will be a delay until your tax credits are
established; and when the job ends there will be a delay until your JSA is restarted.
When you have no other income this is a serious problem.

Er no. That's the reason *you* give. And it sounds very reasonable.

However this discussion concerns IDS and his reasons, not your
own, I'm afraid.

However the question *you* were actually asked, which is how *IDS*
explains the situation other than imply that people are unemployed
because they're lazy and can't be bothered to find themserlves jobs.

In fact you answered the question yourself, above

In fact in answer to my question

How else does he seek to explain people who prefer to
claim benefits (according to him) rather than do everything
they can get themselves jobs ?

What other explanation does he give for their not doing this ?

You already answered above

"None AFICS"

In other words, AFAYCS according to IDS people prefer to claim
benefits rather then do everything they can to get themselves
jobs. They're lazy in other words.

The fact that *you* know they're not lazy at all but are faced
with numerous obstacles is neither here not there, I'm afraid.

Is what IDS thinks that counts.


quote

Jobs are harder to come by as millions have flocked to Britain,"
he said

/quote

Yes. That true statement blames immigration. It doesn't blame the immigrants.

So who does the "millions" refer to, if not to immigrants ?

Or are you now going to claim that its "immigration" itself
which has flocked to Britain ?


The trick is to read news reports carefully and critically,

So "immigration" has flocked to Britain has it ?


michael adams

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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Big Les Wade
wrote:

michael adams posted

Basically chum you appear to be the kind of person who
simply can't admit that they're ever in the wrong, no matter
how much evidence is produced showing precisely that.

The trick is to read news reports carefully and critically, to check what they do say,
rather than what they imply or gloss over. Study hard and you may see the light. Chum.

One has to tell Mr Adams to **** off from time to time. It does him
good.

Oo look !

Timmy now wants to join Les's Gang.

He used to be in Turnip's Gang. But now Turnip has totally flipped
he's become a bit of an embarrassment to Timmy.

Like having a simpleton for a brother,


michael adams

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