On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:44:00 +0100, bert wrote:

snip

See, the real world (and especially when involving 'people') rarely
works on binary, In / Out or Yes / No.


Here is the only true fact.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld

I know. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
Look at those most associated with the out campaign. Boris, Gove, IDS,
Farage, etc. Do you agree with their extreme right wing views? Because
that's what they want this country to become. Roll back the clock on
all sorts of human and civil rights. Cut back or abolish all remnants
of the welfare state including the NHS.

'extreme right wing view' - anyone who disagrees with plogman.

Let's get this clear, then. Do you consider the ones I mentioned above
moderates? Centre of the road, or whatever? Even within the conservative
party?

Or could it be you are ashamed of having extreme right wings views?

Rollback human rights - take back decision making from Europe and
subject it to a UK Bill of Rights.

What you actually mean is a UK bill of no rights.

Cut back the NHS/Welfare state -at current rates of expansion,
the NHS alone will abolish the entire UK economy.

Yes. Lets go back to where you paid for any treatment directly. So only
the rich could afford it.

I ask again. Why are you ashamed of being extreme right wing?

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On 18/06/16 12:35, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
Look at those most associated with the out campaign. Boris, Gove, IDS,
Farage, etc. Do you agree with their extreme right wing views? Because
that's what they want this country to become. Roll back the clock on
all sorts of human and civil rights. Cut back or abolish all remnants
of the welfare state including the NHS.

'extreme right wing view' - anyone who disagrees with plogman.

Let's get this clear, then. Do you consider the ones I mentioned above
moderates? Centre of the road, or whatever? Even within the conservative
party?
Or could it be you are ashamed of having extreme right wings views?

Rollback human rights - take back decision making from Europe and
subject it to a UK Bill of Rights.

What you actually mean is a UK bill of no rights.

Cut back the NHS/Welfare state -at current rates of expansion,
the NHS alone will abolish the entire UK economy.

Yes. Lets go back to where you paid for any treatment directly. So only
the rich could afford it.

I ask again. Why are you ashamed of being extreme right wing?

It's actually you that's the left-wing extremist, Dave. The rest of us
are moderates.

I am almost as disenchanted with what Dave calls the right wing as I am
disgusted by the Left.

WE have altogether let politicians have too much power over us, and its
time to take some back.

If Dave wants a political class to look after him, I suggest he moves to
a country where they will. France should be OK. Oh hang on. Marine le
Pen looks set to be a force there, and she REALLY doesn't like
foreigners. Cradle to grave socialism, yes, but only for white French men.

So perhaps Holland is a better bet. Or Denmark. Just remember not to
walk alone in the 'immigrant' areas.




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Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.