The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance
of if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at risk.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05..._need_to_know/



"You could be forgiving for thinking that the TPD/TRPR was designed to
make vaping as difficult as possible, without actually banning it
outright. Last year Public Health England backed the availability of
e-cigarettes on the NHS, yet millions have given up tobacco already via
an unregulated consumer product. The EUs TPD is a sophisticated Denial
of Service attack on that consumer market.

"Every part of the e-cig supply chain is affected in some way. New
liquids and hardware now require a six-month approval period, and
approval costs. The maximum tank size is a measly 2ml, less than half of
the typical tank size today of 5ml. The maximum nicotine concentration
in a liquid is 20mg/ml €“ short of the 24mg/ml smokers look for when they
start to vape. Users of high voltage (€œsub ohm€�) vaping hardware wont
be effected by the latter, as they use very low nicotine concentration
liquids €“ but the former will present a major inconvenience, as they get
through a lot more liquid. And theyll be carrying more bottles €“ since
the maximum capacity of a refill container size is set to 10ml. So quite
perversely for a €œhealth€� measure, a lot more people will be carrying
around more containers of toxic liquid with them as a consequence. (And
you thought the Cookie Directive was stupid and pointless.)

"The restrictions on promotion will also have some perverse
consequences. Since €œpromotion€� of the products is now illegal, bloggers
and YouTube vloggers have been advised not to enthuse too much about the
kit they review €“ and to be on the safe side, not mention the price. The
regulations are nicely translated to plain English here.

http://www.vapingpost.com/2016/04/22...entation-plan/


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance of
if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.

Spot on, it's not what you know it's whose pocket you're in.
The whole shooting match is corrupt IMHO.
If there's money to be made, by hook or crook someone will make it.

On 22/05/16 11:33, bm wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance of
if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.

Spot on, it's not what you know it's whose pocket you're in.
The whole shooting match is corrupt IMHO.
If there's money to be made, by hook or crook someone will make it.


Its really interesting that "Brexit - the movie" doesn't touch on
'immigration' at all. Its solely about the economic damage caused by
misuse of powers that cannot ever be rescinded once granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

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survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 22/05/16 11:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/05/16 11:33, bm wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the
guidance of
if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.

Spot on, it's not what you know it's whose pocket you're in.
The whole shooting match is corrupt IMHO.
If there's money to be made, by hook or crook someone will make it.


Its really interesting that "Brexit - the movie" doesn't touch on
'immigration' at all. Its solely about the economic damage caused by
misuse of powers that cannot ever be rescinded once granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0


Neither does anyone ever mention the democratic deficit i.e the dilution
of the vote by 10/1, If you vote remain, it will be the
last meaningful vote you'll ever cast.

On Sun, 22 May 2016 11:03:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance
of if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.

Yeah, they'll do that alright. The EU also banned the importation of
Turkish cigarettes back in 1996 for essentially the same reason. This
left smokers with the sole 'choice' of vile smelling, carcinogenic
Virginia tobacco. They're no better than a bunch of crooked gangsters.

On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:27:11 +0100, Andy Cap wrote:

Neither does anyone ever mention the democratic deficit i.e the dilution
of the vote by 10/1, If you vote remain, it will be the last meaningful
vote you'll ever cast.

As if it wasn't meaningless enough already!

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance
of if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.

And nothing whatsoever to do with the makers of cigarettes? Or is it just
you'd not like to be seen defending them?

[snip]

The maximum nicotine concentration in a liquid is 20mg/ml — short of
the 24mg/ml smokers look for when they start to vape.

Pray tell, Turnip, do you vape?

18 mg/ml is regarded as strong by most. And is the highest strength
commonly available.

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On 22/05/16 12:54, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:27:11 +0100, Andy Cap wrote:

Neither does anyone ever mention the democratic deficit i.e the dilution
of the vote by 10/1, If you vote remain, it will be the last meaningful
vote you'll ever cast.

As if it wasn't meaningless enough already!

Well exactly.

Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party
to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

The greens would probably die without EU funding, and as for UKIP, well
its a strange party to carry on existing after its purpose is achieved.

I suspect that UKIP, or parts of it, with p[arts of labour and parts of
the tories would morph or split into a libertarian party.

Really the game now is not left or right, its between the reactionary
dinosaurs in Labour and Tory, that want governments to be big fat
sinecures, and progressive libertarians who see government as evil, but
necessary to a limited extent, and would like to test the lower limits
of it, rather than the upper.

WE wont ever get rid of spoiled teenagers, whiney losers or Lefty****s,
but we should not let them rule the world...

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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party
to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it will
be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago. Thanks for
making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party
to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it will
be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago. Thanks for
making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.

I didn't read it as wanting a revolt, rather using the most sensible bods
from all comers. I.e, get rid of the useless/stupid and not having oiks like
Wodney pocketing the change etc. Difficult to find, I'll grant you.

On 22/05/16 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party
to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it will
be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago. Thanks for
making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.


Where does it say a minority ? What we need is a majority who aren't
scared witless, out of their democracy, by a tiny cabal of businessmen.
Vote to remain and it will be the last time your vote counts for anything.

On 22/05/16 15:57, bm wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , The Natural
Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful
governance that actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other
party to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll
dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where
it will be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years
ago. Thanks for making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.


Well of course that is actually what Dave and his lefty**** friends want.

He doesnt understan libertarianism, which is that the people run their
country, by being allowed to keep their earnings and spend it on what
they want, not what a Lefty**** backed ny Big Business has decided they
will have.


I didn't read it as wanting a revolt, rather using the most sensible
bods from all comers. I.e, get rid of the useless/stupid and not
having oiks like Wodney pocketing the change etc. Difficult to find,
I'll grant you.


Dave will always misread anything that isn't based on the innate
assumption in his LeftyBrain, only people who are selected by him
personally are fit to rule everybody else.

The idea that people should run things themselves scares him ****less,
because as a lifelong loser, he has never been able to run anything
himself at all.

Its pure doublethink., The man who isn't capable of deciding which
school to send his kids to, is somehow the prefect voter to decide which
party shall *decide for him*, which school his kids will be *forced* to
attend.

The saddest and most pathetic thing of all, is that he probably thinks
the Labour party actually cares about him.




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twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On 22/05/16 16:07, Andy Cap wrote:
On 22/05/16 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party
to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it will
be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago. Thanks for
making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.


Where does it say a minority ? What we need is a majority who aren't
scared witless, out of their democracy, by a tiny cabal of businessmen.
Vote to remain and it will be the last time your vote counts for anything.

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Everything Dave thinks I am, is what a Labia or Urosocialist actually
is. People who want a narrow elite to rule. Them.




--
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a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

Dennis Miller

The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance of if
big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like nicotine
gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at risk.

I gave up around 21 months ago, swapping without any problems to
E-ciggies...

Not the usual style, but something a bit more up market and capable. I
use 16/18mg around 1 mL per day in a 2mL tank, so the only part which
directly might affect me is the limit on bottle size.

10mL would last me around 10 days, but I prefer to buy it in 50mL which
is much cheaper. I do feel in is just palin daft for people to be
restricted in their free choice in this way.

On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:19:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Dave will always misread anything that isn't based on the innate
assumption in his LeftyBrain, only people who are selected by him
personally are fit to rule everybody else.

The idea that people should run things themselves scares him ****less,
because as a lifelong loser, he has never been able to run anything
himself at all.

Its pure doublethink., The man who isn't capable of deciding which
school to send his kids to, is somehow the prefect voter to decide which
party shall *decide for him*, which school his kids will be *forced* to
attend.

The saddest and most pathetic thing of all, is that he probably thinks
the Labour party actually cares about him.

That is a totally awesome summation of Plowperson's world-view; I
couldn't add a single thing to that complete description, well done!

On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago, but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

On 22/05/16 17:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago, but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

I have a lefty friend. Labour man from birth to fgrave,.

He says whenever I point out that the labour party is crap,. thay they
are the 'wrong labour party' and 'the wrong sort of socialist'

When I ask him what socialism actually means to him. The best he could
come up with is 'well, it's about how society treats its weakest members' .

"Why just those?" I asked.


I never got an answer.

Most socialists haven't a clue why they support it. Its just part of
their nature.



--
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:39:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Most socialists haven't a clue why they support it. Its just part of
their nature.

Labour have learned that they don't even have to provide lip-service to
their core supporters any more. They don't even have to make false
promises they later break. They know the thick ****ers will vote for them
come what may. Small wonder the Labour Party treats its supporters with
utter contempt; they really deserve no better.

In article om,
bm wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance
that actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other
party to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it
will be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago.
Thanks for making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.

I didn't read it as wanting a revolt, rather using the most sensible
bods from all comers.

That would suggest some form of consensus and moderate views. Not in
Turnip's vocabulary.

I.e, get rid of the useless/stupid and not having
oiks like Wodney pocketing the change etc. Difficult to find, I'll grant
you.

Suppose the last time would have been the SDP/Liberal alliance. Which did
attract some from both Tory and Labour.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The idea that people should run things themselves scares him ****less,
because as a lifelong loser, he has never been able to run anything
himself at all.

Tee-hee. Reminds us once again of your various failed businesses. And how
governments of all colours have 'taken' everything away from you.

Very odd you don't hear me complaining.

But I certainly would if you and your pals ever got anywhere close to
power. Luckily, that will never happen.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 22/05/16 17:55, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:39:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Most socialists haven't a clue why they support it. Its just part of
their nature.

Labour have learned that they don't even have to provide lip-service to
their core supporters any more. They don't even have to make false
promises they later break. They know the thick ****ers will vote for them
come what may. Small wonder the Labour Party treats its supporters with
utter contempt; they really deserve no better.

Well yes, But being of the sort of compassionate nature that labour
politicians pretend to be, I do feel sorry for them.



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puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 22/05/16 12:54, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:27:11 +0100, Andy Cap wrote:

Neither does anyone ever mention the democratic deficit i.e the dilution
of the vote by 10/1, If you vote remain, it will be the last meaningful
vote you'll ever cast.

As if it wasn't meaningless enough already!

Well exactly.

Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance that
actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other party to
vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

Then UKIP will be no use, they not only couldnt even get their leader
elected, they lost half their seats and only managed to get a refugee
from the Tories who would have got re-elected whatever party he had
chosen to join, re-elected.

The greens would probably die without EU funding, and as for UKIP, well
its a strange party to carry on existing after its purpose is achieved.

And which would have no source of funding when they
can't have their snouts in the EP trough any longer.

I suspect that UKIP, or parts of it, with p[arts of labour and parts of
the tories would morph or split into a libertarian party.

And that would do even worse than UKIP did at the ballot box,
because it wouldnt have a single issue that quite a few care about.

Really the game now is not left or right, its between the reactionary
dinosaurs in Labour and Tory, that want governments to be big fat
sinecures, and progressive libertarians who see government as evil, but
necessary to a limited extent, and would like to test the lower limits of
it, rather than the upper.

Not enough of the voters feel that way to get anyone elected.

WE wont ever get rid of spoiled teenagers, whiney losers or Lefty****s,
but we should not let them rule the world...

You won't be able to stop them if you can't get even a single MP elected.

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably never
will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

"Jim Simon" wrote in message
...


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably never
will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

**** off Wodney.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article om,
bm wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Brexit is the first step towards getting some meaningful governance
that actually governs back to the people.

But its only the first step. The next step is to find some other
party to vote for that isn't Tory, Labia or Lie-Beryll dimmoClot.

At last your true colours. You want a revolution in the UK. Where it
will be ruled by a tiny minority. Just like hundreds of years ago.
Thanks for making this clear.

Hope others have taken note.

I didn't read it as wanting a revolt, rather using the most sensible
bods from all comers.

That would suggest some form of consensus and moderate views.

Nope, he clearly wants to see rabid libertarianism.

Not in Turnip's vocabulary.

I.e, get rid of the useless/stupid and not having
oiks like Wodney pocketing the change etc.
Difficult to find, I'll grant you.

Suppose the last time would have been the SDP/Liberal alliance.
Which did attract some from both Tory and Labour.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

That's because there isnt anyone else to vote for unless they are in
Scotland.

No one else has had enough of a clue to have a party with the old style
Labour values.

"Jim Simon" wrote in message
...

In article , Jim Simon
writes


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3
decades ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.
Who will shortly be replaced by McDonnell.
--
bert

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Jim Simon
writes


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that
voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably never
will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

Who will shortly be replaced by McDonnell.

Irrelevant to whether the thick ****ers clearly did twig.

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:39:23 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/05/16 17:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago, but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

I have a lefty friend. Labour man from birth to fgrave,.

He says whenever I point out that the labour party is crap,. thay they
are the 'wrong labour party' and 'the wrong sort of socialist'

When I ask him what socialism actually means to him. The best he could
come up with is 'well, it's about how society treats its weakest members' .

"Why just those?" I asked.


I never got an answer.

Most socialists haven't a clue why they support it. Its just part of
their nature.

It's a genetic disease.

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 21:29:07 UTC+1, Jim Simon wrote:
"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably never
will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

No, they thought he was Eurosceptic, which has been affirming up to getting elected.
Of course the moment he got elected, he did a Kinnock.
He could smell the money.
Traitor to the working classes.
Like all modern day socialist leaders.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:39:23 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/05/16 17:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that
voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago, but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

I have a lefty friend. Labour man from birth to fgrave,.

He says whenever I point out that the labour party is crap,. thay they
are the 'wrong labour party' and 'the wrong sort of socialist'

When I ask him what socialism actually means to him. The best he could
come up with is 'well, it's about how society treats its weakest members'
.

"Why just those?" I asked.


I never got an answer.

Most socialists haven't a clue why they support it. Its just part of
their nature.

It's a genetic disease.

So is rabid bigotry.

On 22/05/16 22:39, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

+1. Sad but true.

Any political party has a window where the idealists and hard working
founders manage to get something popular support so it becomes a
political force. At that point people who want a career in politics, and
who are prepared to take someone else's coin to get it, will infiltrate
that organisation, pay lip service to its aims, and in reality be
working for a totally different set of paymasters.
It's happened to labour, the liberal democrats, the Green movement and
its starting to happen to UKIP.

The only party that is different is the Tory party because its always
*been* that way. Unashamedly so. For sale to the highest bidder.


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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 22/05/16 23:35, Jim Simon wrote:


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

That's because there isnt anyone else to vote for unless they are in
Scotland.

No one else has had enough of a clue to have a party with the old style
Labour values.

That's because everyone with enough of a clue knows that it wouldn't
actually solve any real life problems even if it had any chance of
getting elected at all.

Socialism: Right question. Wrong answer.



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Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 23/05/16 00:21, bert wrote:
In article , Jim Simon
writes


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that
voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3
decades ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably
never will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.
Who will shortly be replaced by McDonnell.

All they need to replace Corbyn is a very simple AI programmed with a
resentment algorithm, in a badly made N Korean robot with some tatty
sweaters pulled over it.

Actually, chilling thought, perhaps that what he is already?

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Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 22 May 2016 21:29:07 UTC+1, Jim Simon wrote:
"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2016 16:27:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The difference between what Dave *thinks* I want and what I want are
dominated by the bigotry in his leftybrain. He simply cannot cope with
the fact that I actually want what he professes to want - what is best
for UK citizens. The difference is he actually (ROFL) thinks that
voting
labour will achieve it!

Exactly. The Labour Party threw its core supporters overboard 3 decades
ago,

They got their revenge when they went for Corbyn.

but the thick ****ers still haven't twigged it yet (and probably never
will now).

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

No, they thought he was Eurosceptic,

Nope, they went for him because he was nothing like the most
recent spivs and con men that didnt give a damn about the
traditional working class, like Blair, Brown, Miliband etc.

which has been affirming up to getting elected.
Of course the moment he got elected, he did a Kinnock.
He could smell the money.
Traitor to the working classes.
Like all modern day socialist leaders.

Even sillier than you usually manage with his policys of a
return to free tertiary education and university degrees etc
and renationalisation of everything he can think of.

I don't knowshould they not go for alcohol as well then?
The problem as America discovered with trying to stop people doing
anything, is that they then start to use unregulated ways to obtain the
supply.

This is why I personally feel that all drugs being banned or hyper regulated
is counter productive.

Not that I want to use any of them, but today, with what we know about how
addiction works we should be able to come up with socially acceptable drugs
that do not have addictive problems or health damage over time. After all
there are enough bona fide medications which cause damage while curing
something else and they are legal.

Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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The absolute classic misuse of EU regulatory powers under the guidance of
if big corporates (pharmaceuticals in this case, who make things like
nicotine gum) to stamp out a competitive product that puts profits at
risk.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05..._need_to_know/



"You could be forgiving for thinking that the TPD/TRPR was designed to
make vaping as difficult as possible, without actually banning it
outright. Last year Public Health England backed the availability of
e-cigarettes on the NHS, yet millions have given up tobacco already via an
unregulated consumer product. The EU's TPD is a sophisticated Denial of
Service attack on that consumer market.

"Every part of the e-cig supply chain is affected in some way. New liquids
and hardware now require a six-month approval period, and approval costs.
The maximum tank size is a measly 2ml, less than half of the typical tank
size today of 5ml. The maximum nicotine concentration in a liquid is
20mg/ml - short of the 24mg/ml smokers look for when they start to vape.
Users of high voltage ("sub ohm") vaping hardware won't be effected by the
latter, as they use very low nicotine concentration liquids - but the
former will present a major inconvenience, as they get through a lot more
liquid. And they'll be carrying more bottles - since the maximum capacity
of a refill container size is set to 10ml. So quite perversely for a
"health" measure, a lot more people will be carrying around more
containers of toxic liquid with them as a consequence. (And you thought
the Cookie Directive was stupid and pointless.)

"The restrictions on promotion will also have some perverse consequences.
Since "promotion" of the products is now illegal, bloggers and YouTube
vloggers have been advised not to enthuse too much about the kit they
review - and to be on the safe side, not mention the price. The
regulations are nicely translated to plain English here.

http://www.vapingpost.com/2016/04/22...entation-plan/


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 22/05/16 23:35, Jim Simon wrote:


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still
haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

That's because there isnt anyone else to vote for unless they are in
Scotland.

No one else has had enough of a clue to have a party with the old style
Labour values.

That's because everyone with enough of a clue knows that it wouldn't
actually solve any real life problems even if it had any chance of getting
elected at all.

How odd that the SNP obliterated Labour in Scotland.

Socialism: Right question. Wrong answer.

The Scots clearly feel otherwise.

On 23/05/16 10:25, Jim Simon wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 22/05/16 23:35, Jim Simon wrote:


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 May 2016 06:29:01 +1000, Jim Simon wrote:

Of course they did, that's why they elected Corbyn.

And Corbyn will **** on them just as all the others did - in fact he
already has! Corbyn has baldly stated that the Labour Party is
united in
its desire to retain EU membership. The irony is that low and
lower-paid
unskilled and semi-skilled workers (core Labourites) are by far the /
biggest losers/ from EU membership since they now have to compete with
eastern europeans which has driven their wages down enormously over the
last two decades. But the thick ****ers - 'boiling frogs' - still
haven't
worked out how they've been ****ed-over by the Globalists. There's no
hope for them and their union leaders know it and have sold them out
long, long ago. But that still won't stop them voting Labour!!

That's because there isnt anyone else to vote for unless they are in
Scotland.

No one else has had enough of a clue to have a party with the old style
Labour values.

That's because everyone with enough of a clue knows that it wouldn't
actually solve any real life problems even if it had any chance of
getting elected at all.

How odd that the SNP obliterated Labour in Scotland.

Why?

The Scots *are* clueless, and the SNP is proving about as successful in
running Scotland as the Greens were running Brighton town council.

And the SNP are not an old style labour party anyway. They are a
National Socialist party, founded on the basis of racial hatred ...now
where have I heard that before.


Socialism: Right question. Wrong answer.

The Scots clearly feel otherwise.

What the Scots *feel* is supremely irrelevant.

Reality is not something that is voted into being on the basis of wish
fulfilment.

And once people grow up, they realise that.

It is slightly less worse to waste billions of pounds on Scotland
pretending its pocket money is earnt, than on kicking them out to get a
real job.

And the SNP knows that, which is why they heaved a sigh of relief when
the referendum said 'stay.

Now they get to carry on hating the English, and spending the English
money, without having to take responsibility for their incompetence,
which they can blame on the English! It doesn't get better than that,
for Lefty****s!


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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus