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On 22/05/2016 12:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/05/16 14:19, dennis@home wrote:
On 21/05/2016 07:36, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.
Good thing too.

Only an idiot thinks that or some low life that will try anything to
justify his pathetic beliefs. I think you are probably both.

Its an interesting point. If someone kills all your family, is it
reasonable to hate them, and if someone threatens to kills your family,
is it prejudicial and bigoted to prevent them?

In a war it's another country or countries you're fighting against. Very
rarely an individual. If your family was killed by a bomb, do you hate
the
'someone' who pulled the trigger, the pilot of the plane, the commander
who sent them out - or even the maker of the bomb?

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'

And you consider the Germans a race apart? So I take it you hate our
Royal
family too?

Of course the Lefty****s are the big haters for no reason. Try telling
them you have decided to vote UKIP, or that you on balance think Brexit
is a good idea, or that climate changes is not what its cracked up to
be.

Easy answer to that. Just look at those in UKIP. An evil bunch, if ever
there was one. Many don't want their country run by evil men. But no
surprise you are a supporter.

I have looked. They seem quite a decent bunch, I have a couple of friends
in UKIP and they're the hardworking sort.

Are you MM in disguise?

Unlikely. The style is very different.

Why are you so fearful of the UK leaving the EU?

He isnt fearful, just believes that that would give a worse result.

He basically believes that living standards would drop for everyone.

He is just plain wrong about that.

But you are just plain wrong about the advantages of leaving
too except for who gets to decide policy if Britain did leave.

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

It's hard wired into us all. A survival trait.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

Yes, but the other race isnt FEARED, at most it is despised or detested.

It's hard wired into us all. A survival trait.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

In article ,
harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

It's hard wired into us all. A survival trait.

I agree. So is compromise and mutual approach. Another survival trait.


Having said that ... I heard that Yvette Cooper on the radio the other
day saying as how we should be taking refugees by the boatload: "we have
a **moral duty**" she said passionately and forcefully, and in the tone
of an old-fashioned schoolteacher (cheeky sod).
At which I cried back at the radio: what about the moral duty of those
who run the countries they come from? They are not a separate species:
they, too, have hard-wired human responsibilities, which they gladly
ignore and suppress as long as Western Europe has its Yvettes.

You will see from all of the above that I have strong feelings about
these matters. But I don't know where I stand, because it's too
complicated for my tiny mind. Perhaps I should have been a modern
politician.

John

On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:29:08 +0100, Another John wrote:

At which I cried back at the radio: what about the moral duty of those
who run the countries they come from?

Umm, that's kinda the problem.

Who IS running Syria or Iraq or Libya or...?

On 22/05/2016 07:10, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2016 17:57:13 UTC+1, polygonum wrote:
On 21/05/2016 16:17, harry wrote:
You can't kill someone you don't hate.

At least one thing that you have clearly not understood is duty.

-- Rod

Yes, duty. It's their duty to hate and kill the enemy.

That would be why they played football in no mans land in WW1 then!

You may as well just accept that you are not the norm and stop trying to
kid yourself that you are.

On 23/05/2016 06:58, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

There is only one race unless you believe there are lizards posing as
humans!

On 23/05/16 08:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/05/2016 06:58, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

There is only one race unless you believe there are lizards posing as
humans!

Don't confuse race or breed with species.

Or my bull terrier will rape your poodle.


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

"Another John" wrote in message
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In article ,
harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with
no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

It's hard wired into us all. A survival trait.

I agree. So is compromise and mutual approach. Another survival trait.


Having said that ... I heard that Yvette Cooper on the radio the other
day saying as how we should be taking refugees by the boatload: "we have
a **moral duty**" she said passionately and forcefully, and in the tone
of an old-fashioned schoolteacher (cheeky sod).

She's right given that Britain produced that mess
by meddling in the middle east for centuries.

At which I cried back at the radio: what about the moral duty of those
who run the countries they come from? They are not a separate species:
they, too, have hard-wired human responsibilities, which they gladly
ignore and suppress as long as Western Europe has its Yvettes.

You will see from all of the above that I have strong feelings about
these matters. But I don't know where I stand, because it's too
complicated for my tiny mind. Perhaps I should have been a modern
politician.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
The Natural wrote:

On 21/05/16 14:19, dennis@home wrote:

On 21/05/2016 07:36, harry wrote:

On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.
Good thing too.

Only an idiot thinks that or some low life that will try anything to
justify his pathetic beliefs. I think you are probably both.


Its an interesting point. If someone kills all your family, is it
reasonable to hate them, and if someone threatens to kills your family,
is it prejudicial and bigoted to prevent them?

In a war it's another country or countries you're fighting against. Very
rarely an individual. If your family was killed by a bomb, do you hate the
'someone' who pulled the trigger, the pilot of the plane, the commander
who sent them out - or even the maker of the bomb?


Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race with no
good reason'

And you consider the Germans a race apart? So I take it you hate our Royal
family too?


Of course the Lefty****s are the big haters for no reason. Try telling
them you have decided to vote UKIP, or that you on balance think Brexit
is a good idea, or that climate changes is not what its cracked up to be.

Easy answer to that. Just look at those in UKIP. An evil bunch, if ever
there was one. Many don't want their country run by evil men. But no
surprise you are a supporter.



So 4 million of our population are evil! Liberal Socialism at it's
best!

In article ,
"Jim Simon" wrote:

Having said that ... I heard that Yvette Cooper on the radio the other
day saying as how we should be taking refugees by the boatload: "we have
a **moral duty**" she said passionately and forcefully, and in the tone
of an old-fashioned schoolteacher (cheeky sod).

She's right given that Britain produced that mess
by meddling in the middle east for centuries.

I don't buy these hindsight-driven, forensic, selective,
self-flagellating versions of history. The world now is *NOT* the world
of 100, or 50 **or even** 30 years ago. We live and act according to
the world we live in.

By the way Jim: you and your ilk (lovely phrase!) love to talk about the
great criminal Britain, and its Empire, and conveniently forget about
France, Germany, the Ottomans, Russia, Portugal, Spain, *Belgium* ffs!
Honestly, the way you lot go on, the world would be the Garden of Eden
again by now, if Britain had only resisted empire-making, heeded the
Luddites in the 19th century, and stuck to tilling medieval fields with
ploughs pulled by oxen.

Sorry - got a bit carried away there.... can't get out at the moment to
do something *useful*.

J.

"Another John" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jim Simon" wrote:

Having said that ... I heard that Yvette Cooper on the radio the other
day saying as how we should be taking refugees by the boatload: "we
have
a **moral duty**" she said passionately and forcefully, and in the tone
of an old-fashioned schoolteacher (cheeky sod).

She's right given that Britain produced that mess
by meddling in the middle east for centuries.

I don't buy these hindsight-driven, forensic,
selective, self-flagellating versions of history.

Doesn’t matter what you buy, that is what happened.

The world now is *NOT* the world of
100, or 50 **or even** 30 years ago.

That is what produced the mess we see there today.

We live and act according to the world we live in.

And that world is that way because of what happened there.

By the way Jim: you and your ilk (lovely phrase!)
love to talk about the great criminal Britain,

Never said anything about criminal.

and its Empire, and conveniently forget about France, Germany,
the Ottomans, Russia, Portugal, Spain, *Belgium* ffs!

France was certainly equally responsible for Syria as
it is today, but they have accepted a hell of a lot more
refugees from their old empire than Britain has.

Even you should have noticed that Germany has in fact
accepted more than a million refugees from there just in
the last year and wasn’t actually involved in Syria.

Honestly, the way you lot go on, the world would be the Garden
of Eden again by now, if Britain had only resisted empire-making,
heeded the Luddites in the 19th century, and stuck to tilling
medieval fields with ploughs pulled by oxen.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

Sorry - got a bit carried away there.... can't get
out at the moment to do something *useful*.

You could do the decent thing and top yourself.

In article ,
Another John wrote:
She's right given that Britain produced that mess
by meddling in the middle east for centuries.

I don't buy these hindsight-driven, forensic, selective,
self-flagellating versions of history. The world now is *NOT* the world
of 100, or 50 **or even** 30 years ago. We live and act according to
the world we live in.

You might like to look closer to home. Ireland.

--
*Pentium wise, pen and paper foolish *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Another John" wrote in message
...
By the way Jim: you and your ilk (lovely phrase!) love to talk about the
great criminal Britain,
That's because Jim is Rod Speed. That must be sock #200.

On 23/05/16 13:49, bm wrote:
"Another John" wrote in message
...
By the way Jim: you and your ilk (lovely phrase!) love to talk about the
great criminal Britain,
That's because Jim is Rod Speed. That must be sock #200.


haha. I found a link to this

http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/u...-Caliphate.pdf

Its official. The majority of brits think Islam is violent and doesn't
fit in with British values.

So much for 'cultural diversity'


--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

On Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:36:19 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected from their planes.


Good thing too.

I am a culturalist.
I hate f*****g muslims.
And socialists.
And anyone else who erodes my freedoms.

On 23/05/2016 14:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/05/16 13:49, bm wrote:
"Another John" wrote in message
...
By the way Jim: you and your ilk (lovely phrase!) love to talk about the
great criminal Britain,
That's because Jim is Rod Speed. That must be sock #200.


haha. I found a link to this

http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/u...-Caliphate.pdf


Its official. The majority of brits think Islam is violent and doesn't
fit in with British values.

So much for 'cultural diversity'



What cr@p you post.

57% don't think Islam is violent and another 14% don't know. Only 28%
think Islam is a violent religion so stop being harry and read what you
post!

On 23/05/2016 09:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/05/16 08:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/05/2016 06:58, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2016 17:49:21 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 08:59:03 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 02:10:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Racism is not 'hating another race' it is 'hating another race
with no
good reason'


No, that's a phobia.
Xenophobia.

No, that's *fearing* outsiders. And there's a bloody good reason for
doing so in many cases.

Another race IS an outsider.

There is only one race unless you believe there are lizards posing as
humans!

Don't confuse race or breed with species.

Or my bull terrier will rape your poodle.



They are both dogs, a subset of wolves and can interbreed.
They would be the same race.

On 23/05/16 16:40, dennis@home wrote:


Don't confuse race or breed with species.

Or my bull terrier will rape your poodle.



They are both dogs, a subset of wolves and can interbreed.
They would be the same race.

No, they would not. They are of the same *species*.


race noun (PEOPLE)

C1 [C or U] a group, especially of people, with particular similar
physical characteristics, who are considered as belonging to the same
type, or the fact of belonging to such a group:

Once again, more proof of illiteracy.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/race

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On Monday, 23 May 2016 16:23:54 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:36:19 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected from their planes.

There were no such things as ejector seats in WW2.

On 23/05/2016 08:44, dennis@home wrote:
That would be why they played football in no mans land in WW1 then!

You may as well just accept that you are not the norm and stop trying to
kid yourself that you are.

Harry might now suggest that you have to hate their goalkeeper in order
to score a goal.

There are numerous cases of members of the same family, even ones who
actually were very close, ending up on opposite sides. Whilst some
families hate each other, many do not.

--
Rod

In article ,
harry wrote:
On Monday, 23 May 2016 16:23:54 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:36:19 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected
from their planes.

There were no such things as ejector seats in WW2.

but they could "bale out" and often did.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

harry wrote
whisky-dave wrote
harry wrote
Mark wrote

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected
from their planes.

There were no such things as ejector seats in WW2.

There were however plenty of parachutes issued and used.

On 23/05/2016 21:18, charles wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:
On Monday, 23 May 2016 16:23:54 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:36:19 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected
from their planes.

There were no such things as ejector seats in WW2.

but they could "bale out" and often did.

Must have missed the bit where Mark said the ejection was done by an
automatic, rocket-powered device. Maybe have a look he

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/index.htm

charles, I think they left that to the RN lads, preferring to bail out.
:-) And many received golden caterpillars with ruby eyes for bailing out
in real emergencies (not training).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

--
Rod

On Monday, 23 May 2016 19:33:17 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Monday, 23 May 2016 16:23:54 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2016 07:36:19 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 May 2016 11:12:52 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/featur...-2014052086715

Every one of our pilots in the Battle of Britain was a racist.
They had to hate Germans to kill them.

No they didn't, which is why they didn;t kill pilots that had ejected from their planes.

There were no such things as ejector seats in WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejection_seat

The first ejection seats were developed independently during World War II by Heinkel and SAAB. Early models were powered by compressed air and the first aircraft to be fitted with such a system was the Heinkel He 280 prototype jet-engined fighter in 1940.