I changed my desk top printer.

The old one had a slot for XD memory cards and called up a Wizard for
transferring photos to my PC.

The new one only takes SD/MS Duo so I bought a USB adapter.
This worked but was a bit temperamental about needing the adapter
plugged in before loading the card.

Suddenly this has stopped communicating with the PC.

From the plethora of adapters that google found is there a direct SD MS
Duo to XD that I can plug in to the new printer?
--
Tim Lamb

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
I changed my desk top printer.

The old one had a slot for XD memory cards and called up a Wizard for
transferring photos to my PC.

The new one only takes SD/MS Duo so I bought a USB adapter.
This worked but was a bit temperamental about needing the adapter
plugged in before loading the card.

Suddenly this has stopped communicating with the PC.

From the plethora of adapters that google found is there a direct SD MS
Duo to XD that I can plug in to the new printer?

Hmm.. I seem to have got bigger problems than this:-(

Dragging and dropping to the desktop no longer works as expected. Stuff
drags OK but disappears when dropped and only reappears after a restart!

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

--
Tim Lamb

In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am
perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks
odd, now. I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for
which drivers are not available. My version is 32 bit though, not 64.
I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old, and docts and spreadsheets which
started life as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?
--
Graeme

On Sun, 1 May 2016 08:41:01 +0100, News
wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am
perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks
odd, now.

I'm currently jumping between XP (on this Mac Mini and my current
'daily desktop'), W7, W10 and Ubuntu and Mint (Linux). *Sometimes*
I'll reboot this or one of my other Minis into OSX but only really to
update them and check they still work.

I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for
which drivers are not available.

Same here that I can remember (eg, there is nothing I can't do that I
want to etc).

My version is 32 bit though, not 64.

Most of mine are also 32 bit as few have much more than 4G of RAM.

I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old, and docts and spreadsheets which
started life as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.

I've never created much in the way of documentation or spreadsheets so
never had MS Office. The last time I did create a few docs I did in
WordStar 6. That said, most of the documents I do need to open I can
also do in LO.

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Well, I have a spattering of W10 PC's and laptops and I'd say it was
ok. I think it fits in with the 'every other release is a goodun'
concept (so XP, W7, W10 etc). To all intents and purposes it seems to
be the same as W7 and you can still find most of the familiar stuff of
/ from W7- behind the new facade (that I would say I didn't use at
all) if you want / need.

OOI, have you tried any of the latest Lini, like Mint or Ubuntu? If
you are lucky and they run smoothly on and connect to your existing
hardware (and there are no 'Windows only' programs you *need*), then
it could be a an alternative (or used alongside at least)?

I just replaced the spinny HDD in my main Tosh laptop with an SSD,
reinstalled W7 and upgraded it to W10 and also installed Linux Mint
17.3 dual boot. Both run equally fast but there are still loads of
silly niggles that happen on Linux that don't on Windows. Like, simply
accepting the 'Recommended' nVidia driver worked (sometimes it can
stop the thing rebooting into a GUI) but then none of the LO programs
would open? Switching back to the Open Source nVidia driver, allowed
LO to open again shrug.

Cheers, T i m

News wrote
Tim Lamb wrote

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am
perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks
odd, now. I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for
which drivers are not available. My version is 32 bit though, not 64.

I did it with 64 bit and found the same thing.

I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old,

I don't.

and docts and spreadsheets which started life
as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.

I run Office 2003.

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Try it and see if you like it. There are a few things that I would
prefer, like being able to keep some pairs of windows paired
that Win7 doesn't do. But some things that have been dropped
that I still use like Media Center at times.

On 01/05/2016 08:41, News wrote:
In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am
perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks
odd, now. I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for
which drivers are not available. My version is 32 bit though, not 64.
I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old, and docts and spreadsheets which
started life as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Win10 works better than win7, it looks different unless you put
something like "classic start" on it.
You can turn off the so called telemetry easily.
Some are just paranoid, M$ isn't out to get them even if someone else is.

On 01/05/16 14:48, dennis@home wrote:
On 01/05/2016 08:41, News wrote:
In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am
perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks
odd, now. I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for
which drivers are not available. My version is 32 bit though, not 64.
I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old, and docts and spreadsheets which
started life as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Win10 works better than win7, it looks different unless you put
something like "classic start" on it.
You can turn off the so called telemetry easily.
Some are just paranoid, M$ isn't out to get them even if someone else is.

So basically you have to do ten times as much deep techie stuff to get
it to work than say Linux?

I thought as much.


--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On 01/05/2016 14:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

So basically you have to do ten times as much deep techie stuff to get
it to work than say Linux?

I thought as much.



So you think if you install linux and don't like the interface its
easier to change it than to download and install one win10 program?

Like I said TNP is always wrong these days.

In message . com,
lid writes
On 01/05/2016 08:41, News wrote:

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Win10 works better than win7, it looks different unless you put
something like "classic start" on it.

Thanks to all for the comments. I rather thought Linux would get a
mention somewhere :-)

I'm tempted to just go for it, and see what happens. I've managed to
get used to new MS OSs over the years, and a few months after the
change, have probably forgotten what the old one looked like.

--
Graeme

"News" wrote in message
...
In message . com,
lid writes
On 01/05/2016 08:41, News wrote:

The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who
would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?

Win10 works better than win7, it looks different unless you put something
like "classic start" on it.

Thanks to all for the comments. I rather thought Linux would get a
mention somewhere :-)

I'm tempted to just go for it, and see what happens. I've managed to get
used to new MS OSs over the years, and a few months after the change, have
probably forgotten what the old one looked like.

It needs Classic Shell to give it a proper start menu with All Programs
listed properly (ie as for all previous versions Win 95 .. Win 7) and to add
a link to Control Panel (ie the full set of old-style apps rather than the
cut-down set of Metro apps which try and fail to do the same job). That
makes it usable.

There are still things missing.

The most obvious is Windows Media Centre for scheduling TV recordings - you
now have to use third-party apps for that.

Also some of the options in the Control Panel apps have had functionality
removed. When you hover over the network icon, you see the name of the
network displayed. For wireless, this is the router's SSID, but for Ethernet
is is usually something like "Network 3". On older versions (certainly up to
WIn 7, and maybe also Win 8) you can go into the Netwrok and Sharing app of
Control Panel, double-click on the "house" icon for "home network" and
rename the network. On Win 10 that can't be done, and there's other
functionality removed as well, such as the Network Map.

I'm not a great fan of the white-on-black colour scheme for the system tray
(bottom RHS of screen) but that seems to be flavour of the month and some
people are trying to adopt it for the whole UI of their Windows 10 PC. Fine
that it should be allowed (as made easy) but not fine that it should be
enforced as a default.

One thing that I really HATE is the inability to install/remove individual
Windows updates which I think was something that happened between Win 8 and
Win 10. I want absolute control over which updates I install, and to remove
any that have slipped through the net. Suppose we get more enforced upgrades
like the KB3035583 Get Windows 10 update: we'd want to be able to say
"install most updates but not that one".

As with all Windows updates, the new engine and gearbox are great; just a
shame that they tinkered with the controls and the dashboard instruments -
to use a car analogy.

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:

....
Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

.... or to a Mac. Stuff just works, man!

[runs for the hills]

On Sun, 01 May 2016 17:02:40 +0100, Another John
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:

...
Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

... or to a Mac. Stuff just works, man!

[runs for the hills]

;-)

The trouble is (for many) is it (OSX) only runs a subset of the stuff
(hardware and software) that's available for Windows. Most of the
mainstream stuff is covered but some of the more prosaic / specialised
stuff is available for Windows only. I think Apple picked up a few
users when they moved to Intel processors and were then able to run
Windows (and other OS's presumably) on the same hardware without the
need for any visualisation (BootCamp etc, as I'm doing here right
now).

Also and like with Android, you don't tend to get the OS / hardware
compatibility you can get with Windows / Linux because the OS is made
(modified?) to match the hardware. ;-)

Apple hardware is often considered expensive (and it's rarely 'cheap')
but it's often fairly well specced and nicely made / designed. eg,
This Mac Mini is virtually silent and is low power consumption and
Mums iPad has a better battery life than my Archos Android tablet
(that cost half as much, even back then).

Unlike some, I have no issue with Apple but because I'm not a brand
follower only buy those things that *function* for me and often get
them cheapER by buying them second user. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 20:16:25 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2016 17:02:40 +0100, Another John
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:

...
Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

... or to a Mac. Stuff just works, man!

[runs for the hills]

;-)

The trouble is (for many) is it (OSX) only runs a subset of the stuff
(hardware and software) that's available for Windows.

I don't belive that is true although I do know of some programs.
Can you name any of the more common once that PC users use that won't run on a Mac.


Most of the
mainstream stuff is covered but some of the more prosaic / specialised
stuff is available for Windows only.

Such as .....

I think Apple picked up a few
users when they moved to Intel processors and were then able to run
Windows (and other OS's presumably) on the same hardware without the
need for any visualisation (BootCamp etc, as I'm doing here right
now).

Mac users have been ale to run a lot of windows stuff going back years.


Also and like with Android, you don't tend to get the OS / hardware
compatibility you can get with Windows / Linux because the OS is made
(modified?) to match the hardware. ;-)

I certainly don't get as many crashes on Mac as I did on a PC.
But PCs have improved since XP so it doesnt; happen anywhere as near as much as it used to.




Unlike some, I have no issue with Apple but because I'm not a brand
follower only buy those things that *function* for me and often get
them cheapER by buying them second user. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Wed, 4 May 2016 03:19:18 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 20:16:25 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2016 17:02:40 +0100, Another John
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:

...
Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.

... or to a Mac. Stuff just works, man!

[runs for the hills]

;-)

The trouble is (for many) is it (OSX) only runs a subset of the stuff
(hardware and software) that's available for Windows.

I don't belive that is true although I do know of some programs.

You don't believe it's true but you know it's true? ;-)

Can you name any of the more common once that PC users use that won't run on a Mac.

Common to whom Dave? I know of some that Mac users themselves have
said they have missed on OSX, like Irfanview and Forte Agent.


Most of the
mainstream stuff is covered but some of the more prosaic / specialised
stuff is available for Windows only.

Such as .....

Any utility that you need to talk to more technical gear, like vehicle
OBD diagnostic readers and the like. Trust me, whenever I try some new
program or utility I look to see if it's also supported on OSX and
Linux.

I think Apple picked up a few
users when they moved to Intel processors and were then able to run
Windows (and other OS's presumably) on the same hardware without the
need for any visualisation (BootCamp etc, as I'm doing here right
now).

Mac users have been ale to run a lot of windows stuff going back years.

Yes, but not natively (till they moved to Intel).


Also and like with Android, you don't tend to get the OS / hardware
compatibility you can get with Windows / Linux because the OS is made
(modified?) to match the hardware. ;-)

I certainly don't get as many crashes on Mac as I did on a PC.

Makes sense.

But PCs have improved since XP so it doesnt; happen anywhere as near as much as it used to.

I run XP every day, all day and I can't remember the last time it ever
'crashed'.

It can 'get' locked up now and again, like if you plug in a weird USB
drive or device, just as I observed on my mates Linux PC yesterday in
fact and the 24" iMac I was repairing recently.

Fact, Windows represents about 80% of the PC userbase and therefore
it's also very very likely that any software or hardware manufacturer
will create their products for Windows first (if not 'only').

Whilst on the Mac n/g someone asked about webcams. Someone else had
bought one from Argos that he had used to good success and tried it in
the first place because it said that it was 'Mac compatible'. So I
bought one and it worked fine on my Mac (and in Windows as well 'of
course'). Someone else bought one of the back of what we had
experienced and it didn't work on his Mc (same v of OSX). It worked
when he booted into Windows though so the camera itself was fine. We
all looked closer and it turned out the hardware was slightly
different, sufficient to make it non Mac compatible but didn't affect
Windows. He ended up taking it back. ;-(

How might Argos fix that problem? The simplest way is to remove 'Mac
compatible' from the advert as that's only going to impact the sale of
that item by 10% and that could be cheaper than any technical
solution.

It's the same case but worse when looking in std retail stores for
stuff that is 'Linux compatible'. BIL went into PCW for a 'Linux
compatible printer' for the Linux PC I built for them recently. The
guy in there had never even heard of Linux, let alone knew if the
printer was Linux compatible. Luckily (for him) the guy in Staples was
more interested and went and checked (as it didn't mention Linux
support on the box itself) and he came back and said 'yes, it should
be'. But what if it didn't actually work, or worked for network
printing but not network scanning, how much leverage can you apply re
support for something that is not outwardly supported?

Cheers, T i m

Tim Lamb wrote:
I changed my desk top printer.

The old one had a slot for XD memory cards and called up a Wizard for
transferring photos to my PC.

The new one only takes SD/MS Duo so I bought a USB adapter.
This worked but was a bit temperamental about needing the adapter plugged
in before loading the card.

Suddenly this has stopped communicating with the PC.

From the plethora of adapters that google found is there a direct SD MS
Duo to XD that I can plug in to the new printer?

Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.
--
Nige Danton - Replace the obvious with g.m.a.i.l

In message

rg, Nige Danton writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
I changed my desk top printer.

The old one had a slot for XD memory cards and called up a Wizard for
transferring photos to my PC.

The new one only takes SD/MS Duo so I bought a USB adapter.
This worked but was a bit temperamental about needing the adapter plugged
in before loading the card.

Suddenly this has stopped communicating with the PC.

From the plethora of adapters that google found is there a direct SD MS
Duo to XD that I can plug in to the new printer?

Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.

Yes. That is just what I have been doing. The thread had drifted away
from the original topic so I didn't bother to report back:-)

While you are here... why is *drag and drop* no longer functioning
properly on my XP. Files drag OK but then disappear into the ether when
dropped only to reappear when the PC is re-started.

--
Tim Lamb

On 04/05/2016 18:33, Tim Lamb wrote:
8

Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera
directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.

Yes. That is just what I have been doing. The thread had drifted away
from the original topic so I didn't bother to report back:-)

Hmmm, camera USB about 15 Mbytes/sec, Card reader about 80 Mbytes/sec.
Well worth taking the card out imo.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
b.com...
On 04/05/2016 18:33, Tim Lamb wrote:
8

Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera
directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.

Yes. That is just what I have been doing. The thread had drifted away
from the original topic so I didn't bother to report back:-)

Hmmm, camera USB about 15 Mbytes/sec, Card reader about 80 Mbytes/sec.
Well worth taking the card out imo.

Unless you need the camera straightaway and can't wait a couple
of minutes...

If you damage the pins in the CF socket in the camera
by repeatedly inserting and removing CF cards then you're
buggered basically; and will need to get it repaired
before the camera is useable

If instead you eventually damage the mini USB socket on the
camera by repeatedly inserting and removing the mini USB
plug* then you can still use CF cards and download the
images that way.


michael adams

....

* Not that this has ever happened in over 15 ish years and
3 different cameras.

On 04/05/2016 21:26, michael adams wrote:

If you damage the pins in the CF socket in the camera
by repeatedly inserting and removing CF cards then you're
buggered basically; and will need to get it repaired
before the camera is useable

Do SD cards have pins which will damage in that way? Most cameras use
those these days it seems...

(I've always removed the SD card to transfer photos. It's always seemed
a lot easier than finding a USB cable, and faster.

In message m,
lid writes
On 04/05/2016 18:33, Tim Lamb wrote:
8

Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera
directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.

Yes. That is just what I have been doing. The thread had drifted away
from the original topic so I didn't bother to report back:-)

Hmmm, camera USB about 15 Mbytes/sec, Card reader about 80 Mbytes/sec.
Well worth taking the card out imo.

I doubt I'd notice the difference, Dennis. It was nice being able to
delete copied photos though.


--
Tim Lamb

Huge wrote:
On 2016-05-04, Tim Streater wrote:
In article
-september.
, Nige Danton wrote:

[14 lines snipped]


Why don't you leave the card in the camera and connect the camera directly
to the PC with a USB cable? I find that much easier and quicker.

+1

Using the socket on the camera intended for the purpose. I do that, the
camera's disk appears on my Mac's Desktop, I drag and drop the files to
copt them.

Except that my scabby Panasonic TZ70 (*) mounts its file system
as read-only, so you can't delete files via the USB.

(* I *knew* I shouldn't have broken my "Never buy anything made by Panasonic
ever again" rule.)

Presumably you can select all of the images on the camera and delete them
after transferring via USB to your PC?

--
Nige Danton - Replace the obvious with g.m.a.i.l