Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter). Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

(It also has the ergonomics of bagpipes - being painful to wheel
anywhere (the handle seems designed to try and break your wrist), and
then it tends to fall over when being wheeled on anything other than a
perfect flat surface (thus twisting your broken wrist for good measure!))

My main uses are disposing of cut / broken branches that are too small
to be worth logging. (typically no more than 3" - often smaller), and
shredding prunings from hedges, bushes, brambles etc.

Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding. That you can load
up with leafy stuff as well as branches (without having to strip all the
side shoots off).

Preferably petrol powered...



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On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter).

I have the Bosch ATX 2000 and that was brilliant on a fir tree (nice
straight / thin stuff). The problem was dealing with the full garden
bags of chip fast enough. ;-)

Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

Mine loves the green stuff and rarely clogs.

(It also has the ergonomics of bagpipes - being painful to wheel
anywhere (the handle seems designed to try and break your wrist), and
then it tends to fall over when being wheeled on anything other than a
perfect flat surface (thus twisting your broken wrist for good measure!))

My main uses are disposing of cut / broken branches that are too small
to be worth logging. (typically no more than 3" - often smaller), and
shredding prunings from hedges, bushes, brambles etc.

If you are really talking about being 'able' to do 3", and depending
on your budget, how about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZoq9RBzO8

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/815

Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding.

Gravity or power 'self-fed'? I think you have to go quite big to get
something with power feed.

That you can load
up with leafy stuff as well as branches (without having to strip all the
side shoots off).

Preferably petrol powered...

Or the Bio50/55 if you can get away with 2"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooL-bmY4uM

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/809

Honda powered, well engineered, pretty powerful.

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding. That you can load
up with leafy stuff as well as branches (without having to strip all the
side shoots off).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9mVF7XV8Hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkU5692xefY

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:34:13 +0100, T i m wrote:

I have the Bosch ATX 2000 and that was brilliant on a fir tree (nice
straight / thin stuff). The problem was dealing with the full garden
bags of chip fast enough. ;-)

I'm considering getting a shredder. The AXT2000 seems to have been
superceded by the AXT2500 - I wonder if that is an 'improvement'.

BTW, you put "ATX..." and I have the same tendecy, especially having built a
new PC about 3 months ago.
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whilst religions hold sway

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:16:46 +0100, PeterC
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:34:13 +0100, T i m wrote:

I have the Bosch ATX 2000 and that was brilliant on a fir tree (nice
straight / thin stuff). The problem was dealing with the full garden
bags of chip fast enough. ;-)

I'm considering getting a shredder. The AXT2000 seems to have been
superceded by the AXT2500 - I wonder if that is an 'improvement'.

Well if it's just the motor wattage then as long as you can give it
that sort of juice (from your generator or thin extension lead) then I
guess 'bigger is better. That said, I can't remember stalling the 2000
that often or at all but we could have been treating it 'reasonably'.

BTW, you put "ATX..." and I have the same tendecy, especially having built a
new PC about 3 months ago.

Hehe, it's funny isn't it how things work like that (I very familiar
with the ATX term) but it's also my dyslexia (transposition). I can
read a car number plate outside (with the intention of writing it
down) and have either lost most of it or get stuff round the wrong way
by the time I get indoors.

I simply don't have the ability to remember (in detail) non intuitive
or logical / familiar number or letter sequences, unless I'm using
them very very regularly. I've had the same mobile number over 20
years and haven't got a clue what it is (because I never ring it
myself and rarely give it to others).

That's partly why I try to stay away from the Command Line Interface
on most OS's, apart from the very basic stuff or stuff I've used many
times (like sudo apt-get install whatever) because it's all just a
blur. ;-(

Back to the chippers ... daughter and her partner borrowed my AXT 2000
but weren't sure if it was going to be up to it (both used to
something much bigger). Afterwards they said they were very impressed
(considering etc). No jams, ran all day, chipped stuff fairly fine and
cleanly, took a range of material, wasn't too noisy etc etc.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. The only thing that would worry me about the 2500 over the 2000
is it may not be the same ol'e tried and tested beast. Even if they
have only fitted an uprated motor, how might that then (say) put more
strain on the drive belt and strip belt teeth, rather than just
stalling etc?

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:53:15 +0100, Peter Parry
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding. That you can load
up with leafy stuff as well as branches (without having to strip all the
side shoots off).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9mVF7XV8Hg

We watched something even bigger than that at an Arb show. The feeder
bed was a long as the longest tree they were putting on it (at least
telegraph pole length) and they would put them on in bundles!

The *problem* they had demoing it at the show was having sufficient
stock to put through it and replacing the *massive* bulk trailer they
were using for the chip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkU5692xefY

Maybe John could get one of each. The top one for the branchy bits and
the bottom one for the greenery. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Daughter would really love to have a go on one of these
harvesters (she's only sat in one so far). ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLjGPknv2o

I love watching the dexterity of any good 'machine operator'. It's
when they make it look like an extension of themselves I know they are
'good'. ;-)

On 18/04/2016 00:05, John Rumm wrote:
Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter). Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

That was our first "quiet" shredder and it was fine until the helix
eventually got blunt, then it clogged too easily.

We replaced it with an AXT2200 (cog wheel against sacrificial plate) and
that's pretty good but it's hard getting "branchy" wood into the hopper,
and it doesn't like wet fibrous stuff.

A friend has the latest Bosch 2500 "turbo" type (slowly rotating
fan-blade v static vanes) and that seems to cope easily with just about
anything.


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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:

Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter). Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

(It also has the ergonomics of bagpipes - being painful to wheel
anywhere (the handle seems designed to try and break your wrist), and
then it tends to fall over when being wheeled on anything other than a
perfect flat surface (thus twisting your broken wrist for good measure!))

I am *so* glad you summarised your Bosch like this John -- I ditched
mine a year ago, it having lain unused for at least 2 years in the shed,
for all the reasons you outline. And it was never quiet. Furthermore, it
was the second shredder I'd owned, the first being a cheaper product --
I had thought that if I splashed out on the Bosch, I'd have better
success.

I determined that in future if I need to do a load of shredding I will
hire a proper job from the (fortunately nearby) hire company.

However - equally fortunately - our council tip is on my way into town,
and it turns out I never really needed a shredder in th first place: I
just wanted a Boy's Toy :-) (not suggesting that you're in that
category, but it turns out that I was)

John

In message , Another John
writes
I am *so* glad you summarised your Bosch like this John -- I ditched
mine a year ago, it having lain unused for at least 2 years in the
shed, for all the reasons you outline. And it was never quiet.
Furthermore, it was the second shredder I'd owned, the first being a
cheaper product -- I had thought that if I splashed out on the Bosch,
I'd have better success.

My son gave me his Bosch quiet shredder. It worked sort of OK for a few
months, then it jammed and now it just bleeps at me when I turn it on.
I can't see anything jamming it, and haven't stripped it down far enough
to see if it's worth trying to repair.

He replaced it with a large petrol engined device made in China.
Extremely noisy and he only runs it for relatively short periods for his
and the neighbours' nerves. I don't know the make.
I have been sent twice for replacement drive belts for it. It's
difficult to get to switch it off before the belt starts to melt when it
jams.
He did have the foresight to photograph the markings on the belt when it
was new. I, and the man at Fenner Belts, were both impressed.
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:52:57 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:16:46 +0100, PeterC
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:34:13 +0100, T i m wrote:

I have the Bosch ATX 2000 and that was brilliant on a fir tree (nice
straight / thin stuff). The problem was dealing with the full garden
bags of chip fast enough. ;-)

I'm considering getting a shredder. The AXT2000 seems to have been
superceded by the AXT2500 - I wonder if that is an 'improvement'.

Well if it's just the motor wattage then as long as you can give it
that sort of juice (from your generator or thin extension lead) then I
guess 'bigger is better. That said, I can't remember stalling the 2000
that often or at all but we could have been treating it 'reasonably'.

The supply is 2.5FT&E to the shed then 1.5 flex, so should be OK. I wouldn't
use the 25m lead as about half that would be enough.

insp :-)

Back to the chippers ... daughter and her partner borrowed my AXT 2000
but weren't sure if it was going to be up to it (both used to
something much bigger). Afterwards they said they were very impressed
(considering etc). No jams, ran all day, chipped stuff fairly fine and
cleanly, took a range of material, wasn't too noisy etc etc.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. The only thing that would worry me about the 2500 over the 2000
is it may not be the same ol'e tried and tested beast. Even if they
have only fitted an uprated motor, how might that then (say) put more
strain on the drive belt and strip belt teeth, rather than just
stalling etc?

Indeed. 'Improvements'...!
--
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The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 18/04/2016 13:21, Reentrant wrote:
On 18/04/2016 00:05, John Rumm wrote:
Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter). Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

That was our first "quiet" shredder and it was fine until the helix
eventually got blunt, then it clogged too easily.

I have replaced the helix once (after a mate borrowed it and
accidentally tried shredding a bit of angle iron!)... Its possibly
getting blunt again though.

We replaced it with an AXT2200 (cog wheel against sacrificial plate) and
that's pretty good but it's hard getting "branchy" wood into the hopper,
and it doesn't like wet fibrous stuff.

A friend has the latest Bosch 2500 "turbo" type (slowly rotating
fan-blade v static vanes) and that seems to cope easily with just about
anything.

Does it have the same narrow hopper entry though? That's one of the
pains with mine, it has a slot[1] that is designed to limit the size of
the stuff you put in, to about the maximum it can shred - but that makes
it very difficult to get some stuff in - especially leafy green stuff?

[1] or at least it did have until last night when I attacked it with a
reciprocating saw - now it has a 6 x 4" hole ;-)


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On 18/04/2016 00:34, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you are really talking about being 'able' to do 3", and depending
on your budget, how about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZoq9RBzO8

That's probably the kind of thing I had in mind...

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/815

Although possibly a bit more than I wanted to pay.

I had looked at some of the titan pro range. Like:

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Wo...0/Product.aspx

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Ch...0/Product.aspx

But no idea what the quality or engine is like..


Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding.

Gravity or power 'self-fed'? I think you have to go quite big to get
something with power feed.

Self feed in the sense that you don't have to manually force every last
branch through it. If you can lob a armload of stuff in the hopper and
it will shred it, then I would be happy.

Or the Bio50/55 if you can get away with 2"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooL-bmY4uM

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/809

Honda powered, well engineered, pretty powerful.

Ta


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Reentrant wrote:
On 18/04/2016 00:05, John Rumm wrote:
Recommendations please...

I am getting fed up with my aged Bosch "quiet" shredder (this is the
older design with a rotating helix / worm drive cutter). Its very good
if you want to shred the stuff that it likes (dryish, woody branches
without any leaves or too much green stuff), but its pretty slow and
hopeless for much else - yo spend more time trying to get it to ungest
stuff, and then unclogging it than anything else.

That was our first "quiet" shredder and it was fine until the helix
eventually got blunt, then it clogged too easily.

We replaced it with an AXT2200 (cog wheel against sacrificial plate)
and that's pretty good but it's hard getting "branchy" wood into the
hopper, and it doesn't like wet fibrous stuff.

A friend has the latest Bosch 2500 "turbo" type (slowly rotating
fan-blade v static vanes) and that seems to cope easily with just
about anything.



I replaced the shredder with an 8 inch chop saw. Usually set to
6 inch cutting lengths. A lot less effort than a constantly jamming
shredder. I've also had good results with the rotary mower on stuff less
than 0.5inches dia. Couldn't believe how well it worked with the stuff
just laid on the grass.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...

On 18/04/2016 00:34, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you are really talking about being 'able' to do 3", and depending
on your budget, how about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZoq9RBzO8

That's probably the kind of thing I had in mind...

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/815

Although possibly a bit more than I wanted to pay.

I had looked at some of the titan pro range. Like:

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Wo...0/Product.aspx

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Ch...0/Product.aspx

But no idea what the quality or engine is like..


Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding.

Gravity or power 'self-fed'? I think you have to go quite big to get
something with power feed.

Self feed in the sense that you don't have to manually force every last
branch through it. If you can lob a armload of stuff in the hopper and it
will shred it, then I would be happy.

Or the Bio50/55 if you can get away with 2"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooL-bmY4uM

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/809

Honda powered, well engineered, pretty powerful.

Ta



Shredding is an immensely tedious operation. If there is any possibility of
a bonfire it's far quicker. I had a very big shredder on the back of my 70
HP tractor and in the end sold it as it was so time consuming and we have
the space for bonfires without an issue.

Andrew

On 18/04/2016 17:44, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 18/04/2016 00:34, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:05:50 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you are really talking about being 'able' to do 3", and depending
on your budget, how about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZoq9RBzO8

That's probably the kind of thing I had in mind...

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/815

Although possibly a bit more than I wanted to pay.

I had looked at some of the titan pro range. Like:

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Wo...0/Product.aspx

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Ch...0/Product.aspx


But no idea what the quality or engine is like..


Need something that is easy to feed and self feeding.

Gravity or power 'self-fed'? I think you have to go quite big to get
something with power feed.

Self feed in the sense that you don't have to manually force every
last branch through it. If you can lob a armload of stuff in the
hopper and it will shred it, then I would be happy.

Or the Bio50/55 if you can get away with 2"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooL-bmY4uM

http://www.gardenequipment.be/en/shop/products/i/809

Honda powered, well engineered, pretty powerful.

Ta



Shredding is an immensely tedious operation. If there is any possibility
of a bonfire it's far quicker. I had a very big shredder on the back of
my 70 HP tractor and in the end sold it as it was so time consuming and
we have the space for bonfires without an issue.

Yup agreed - Things like big hedge trims and the annual massacre of
pampas grass, I will pile up on the bonfire, leave to dry out a bit and
then burn.

Branches on the other hand are harder to collect and take to the bonfire
site and they take lots of space, plus some of the things are quite
wicked and covered in thorns or other spiky bits. Quite often its nice
to be able to cut a bit down and lob it straight into a shredder before
you get any more cut up by it!

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In message , John
Rumm writes
Although possibly a bit more than I wanted to pay.

I had looked at some of the titan pro range. Like:

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Wo.../0/Product.asp
x

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Petrol-Ch...uty-Beaver-/37
5/0/Product.aspx

But no idea what the quality or engine is like..

I've only just managed to ask my son about his chipper.

It's a Titan. Made in the UK with a Chinese engine. He has modified some
guards slightly to make it easier to feed. He has been heard to utter
words after starting problems, but I don't think it's any worse than the
Briggs & Strattons that he has on other machinery.

As I've said before, it works OK, but, probably like them all, is very
noisy.

I have had to drive to Wales twice for a replacement belt because when
it jams when being fed he has not got to the off button before the belt
has started to melt.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:42:15 +0100, Bill wrote:

snip

I've only just managed to ask my son about his chipper.

It's a Titan. Made in the UK with a Chinese engine. He has modified some
guards slightly to make it easier to feed. He has been heard to utter
words after starting problems, but I don't think it's any worse than the
Briggs & Strattons that he has on other machinery.

I think many of these engines can have 'a knack'. How hard fast you
pull the starter cord, how much choke, even maybe when still warm and
how much throttle etc.

As I've said before, it works OK, but, probably like them all, is very
noisy.

I think it's only after you have heard a petrol chipper running hard
(especially one with flails) can you appreciate how they can call the
smaller electric ones 'quiet'. ;-)

I have had to drive to Wales twice for a replacement belt because when
it jams when being fed he has not got to the off button before the belt
has started to melt.

The first thing I suggested (and we did / do) when getting any such
kit is get spares of the important bits (and replace them as they are
used). Even the cutters on a stump grinder when £120 a set as 1) the
cost of having the machine out of service for a few days could cost
more than that and 2) when you have such spares you don't normally
need them. ;-)

The big chipper came with a mullered V belt and we got one identical
and two 'notched' versions (as the drive pulley is a fairly small
diameter and that sort of bending can affect how efficiently a solid V
belt drives).

Cheers, T i m

On 24/04/2016 15:34, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:42:15 +0100, Bill wrote:

snip

I've only just managed to ask my son about his chipper.

It's a Titan. Made in the UK with a Chinese engine. He has modified some
guards slightly to make it easier to feed. He has been heard to utter
words after starting problems, but I don't think it's any worse than the
Briggs & Strattons that he has on other machinery.

I think many of these engines can have 'a knack'. How hard fast you
pull the starter cord, how much choke, even maybe when still warm and
how much throttle etc.

As I've said before, it works OK, but, probably like them all, is very
noisy.

I think it's only after you have heard a petrol chipper running hard
(especially one with flails) can you appreciate how they can call the
smaller electric ones 'quiet'. ;-)

That is about the one advantage of my current word drive one - you can
leave it running when say pruning brambles, and lob in each stem as you
cut it free rather than having it laying about ready to mince your legs!

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:44:41 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

I think it's only after you have heard a petrol chipper running hard
(especially one with flails) can you appreciate how they can call the
smaller electric ones 'quiet'. ;-)

That is about the one advantage of my current word drive one - you can
leave it running when say pruning brambles, and lob in each stem as you
cut it free rather than having it laying about ready to mince your legs!

;-)

My one is the spinning cutter type so nowhere near as quiet as the
crusher type and so we did generally turn it off between batches. The
trouble is, if processing something like the long straight ends of
Fir, they fall though pretty quickly and you can fill a bag up pretty
fast. Even if you weren't bagging up the chip you would have to clear
it away from underneath pretty frequently.

With anything less straight or 'green' (like a gnarly old apple tree)
you can't get the material though so fast.

I'm not sure I'd want to chip much bramble or worse, pyracantha with
the little Bosch AXT 2000 though, simply because of how bad it is to
handle in general, how catchy / clingy it is. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 24/04/2016 17:53, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:44:41 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

I think it's only after you have heard a petrol chipper running hard
(especially one with flails) can you appreciate how they can call the
smaller electric ones 'quiet'. ;-)

That is about the one advantage of my current word drive one - you can
leave it running when say pruning brambles, and lob in each stem as you
cut it free rather than having it laying about ready to mince your legs!

;-)

My one is the spinning cutter type so nowhere near as quiet as the
crusher type and so we did generally turn it off between batches. The
trouble is, if processing something like the long straight ends of
Fir, they fall though pretty quickly and you can fill a bag up pretty
fast. Even if you weren't bagging up the chip you would have to clear
it away from underneath pretty frequently.

With anything less straight or 'green' (like a gnarly old apple tree)
you can't get the material though so fast.

I'm not sure I'd want to chip much bramble or worse, pyracantha with
the little Bosch AXT 2000 though, simply because of how bad it is to
handle in general, how catchy / clingy it is. ;-(


I think a set or armoured gauntlets would be handy as well - I find I
can shred a set of rigger style gloves in one session!


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John.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:22:00 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

I'm not sure I'd want to chip much bramble or worse, pyracantha with
the little Bosch AXT 2000 though, simply because of how bad it is to
handle in general, how catchy / clingy it is. ;-(


I think a set or armoured gauntlets would be handy as well - I find I
can shred a set of rigger style gloves in one session!

Daughter has a pair of fairly expensive long gloves especially for
such work. They are actually 'needle proof' and you see the demo of a
hypodermic needle being pushed point first into them and it just
bending.

However and especially in the summer it seems such work is a conflict
between wearing the PPE (and any additional gear like these
needle-proof gloves) and overheating. ;-(

After a day getting large hedges into shape it often looks like often
she's been self harming, the amount of scratches down her arms!

Cheers, T i m