Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.


Reading their reviews, offered software is a bit crap, but ...

--
Adrian C

Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.


Reading their reviews, offered software is a bit crap, but ...

Starter toner only claims 500 pages but still pretty good price.

Looks to be a wifi version for not a lot more dosh too

On 13/02/16 12:32, Bob Minchin wrote:
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.


Reading their reviews, offered software is a bit crap, but ...

Starter toner only claims 500 pages but still pretty good price.

Ah, Opps.

Looks to be a wifi version for not a lot more dosh too


--
Adrian C

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:44:33 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
wrote:

On 13/02/16 12:32, Bob Minchin wrote:
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.


Reading their reviews, offered software is a bit crap, but ...

Starter toner only claims 500 pages but still pretty good price.

Ah, Opps.

And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

I was recently given a big Ricoh colour network MFP laser that seems
to be ok so far. I think auto duplex would be a must for me these
days, along with network scanning (if a MFP).

I can (network) print and scan from Windows and Android and can print
to it from Linux. Not tried OSX yet.

Cheers, T i m

Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/02/16 12:32, Bob Minchin wrote:
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.


Reading their reviews, offered software is a bit crap, but ...

Starter toner only claims 500 pages but still pretty good price.

Ah, Opps.

Looks to be a wifi version for not a lot more dosh too


Reading on further, I see they also say 1200 pages, so ebuyer are
contradicting themselves!
And the wifi one I saw was printer only not an all in one.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:17:44 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.

These days printers are often sold at very low prices. However, the manufacturers recoup any losses by
selling over-priced ink/toner - and by designing printers to ensure that they will only work with the
manufacturer's ink/toner.

--
Tony
'09 FJR1300, '07 Street Triple OMF#24

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 12:17:47 UTC, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

Amazed at this. Comes with 1200 page toner, i.e. just throw the printer
away when done and buy another one.

Ricoh SP112SU Multi-Function A4 Mono Laser Printer

eBuyer currently has them for £25 (QuickFind: 721613) free delivery.

1200 pages per £25 is one bad deal. Might be good for someone that rarely prints anything.


NT

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:
And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver
Support for XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Owain

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:
And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver
Support for XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.

Cheers, T i m

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:06:21 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:

And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver
Support for XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.

Cheers, T i m

and will mean binning it long before it dies.


NT

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:25:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:06:21 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:

And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver
Support for XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.


and will mean binning it long before it dies.

Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:25:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:06:21 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:

And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver
Support for XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.


and will mean binning it long before it dies.

Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

I stopped using one that only had a centronics
interface and wouldn't print on CDs and DVDs.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:09:59 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:25:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:06:21 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:18:09 UTC, T i m wrote:

And being a GDI printer, potentially would be as advertised and
'Windows only'?

Indeed, the specification says:

(last item in the features section)
Windows Only Compatible

Simple connection to PC via USB 2.0
Intuitive, easy to use GDI print driver Support for XP, Vista,
Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.


and will mean binning it long before it dies.

Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

Cheers, T i m

[See another laser printer thread in uk.comp.homebuilt.]

I have just taken an old HP inkjet out of service because the intermittent
usage meant that the ink kept drying up between uses. This in effect added
£50-£100 per year to the running costs.

Still a perfectly fine auto-duplexing A4 printer but not cost effective
for my pattern of use.

I also stopped using a more recent Lexmark MFP because of ink costs (even
when not drying out).

I am assured that a laser printer won't worry if it isn't used for a few
months.

We shall see.

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

In article ,
TMack wrote:
These days printers are often sold at very low prices. However, the
manufacturers recoup any losses by selling over-priced ink/toner - and
by designing printers to ensure that they will only work with the
manufacturer's ink/toner.

For most makers who try this trick there is usually an aftermarket
supplier who finds a work round.

--
*Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
pamela wrote:
HP used to sell a printer and ink cartridge for less than the cost of
a cartridge. Admittedly, the cartridge which came with it was only
part filled.

Think you mean they sold the printer for less than they *charged* for a
cartridge. A very different thing from what the cartridge cost.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:10:04 UTC, T i m wrote:
Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

I binned one when the new colour printer was cheaper than a replacement toner for the old one.

Owain

On 14 Feb 2016 13:13:28 GMT, David wrote:

snip

[See another laser printer thread in uk.comp.homebuilt.]

I have just taken an old HP inkjet out of service because the intermittent
usage meant that the ink kept drying up between uses. This in effect added
£50-£100 per year to the running costs.

Ouch, that is quite a lot eh.

Still a perfectly fine auto-duplexing A4 printer but not cost effective
for my pattern of use.

And had you just done a test print every week it may well have come
out the same.

I also stopped using a more recent Lexmark MFP because of ink costs (even
when not drying out).

I had no such cost issues with my Canon ip4000 as the ink cartridges
were just that, simple plastic containers of ink and so were only
£1.95 each (aftermarket). [1]

I am assured that a laser printer won't worry if it isn't used for a few
months.

That is correct. Because toner is a powder it doesn't dry up like a
water based ink.

Cheers, T i m

[1] The disadvantage of a fixed print head and basic cartridges over
complete all-in-one head and cartridge is that when the fixed head
dries up it's more difficult to clean / clear or expensive to replace.

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:13:31 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:10:04 UTC, T i m wrote:
Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

I binned one when the new colour printer was cheaper than a replacement toner for the old one.

Sure (I've stopped using a printer before it dies because I've gone
onto something else / better) except that wasn't quite the meaning
behind NT's reply to my:

Which means you can't use it a shared printer unless you share it
though a Windows PC.


and will mean binning it long before it dies.

The problem (to a tiny minority not running Windows) being a 'Windows
only' printer relies on Windows (unless some geek in a shed reverse
engineers the Windows drivers) to run and so if you want to share it
over the network you would also have to do that via a Windows PC. As
new Windows versions come out (after day 13 years as Vista was to XP)
it's *possible* that the printer would no longer be supported (by any
later version).

However as most 'ordinary users' would agree (with reference to (not)
doing what they want on Linux)... 'better to have had and lost than
never to have had at all.' ;-)

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:
The problem (to a tiny minority not running Windows) being a 'Windows
only' printer relies on Windows (unless some geek in a shed reverse
engineers the Windows drivers) to run and so if you want to share it
over the network you would also have to do that via a Windows PC. As
new Windows versions come out (after day 13 years as Vista was to XP)
it's *possible* that the printer would no longer be supported (by any
later version).

I was given a printer that was the other way around: manufacturer provided
no drivers in Vista (or was it 7?), but worked fine under Linux (and Mac, if
you pretended to be a newer model of the printer). I configured a CUPS
server to make it available to everything so no need to install the drivers
everywhere, just send Postscript to CUPS and it would convert.

Theo

On 14/02/16 13:13, David wrote:
I am assured that a laser printer won't worry if it isn't used for a few
months.


The toner shouldn't be a problem but beware of misshapen rollers. If it
is kept permanently on then it will probably wake it self up every 24
hours or so and turn itself over to prevent flats (bit like the pump on
a boiler). If it is switched off, putting it in envelope mode usually
takes the pressure off the roller.



--
djc

(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)
No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree.

On 15 Feb 2016 00:09:39 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

T i m wrote:
The problem (to a tiny minority not running Windows) being a 'Windows
only' printer relies on Windows (unless some geek in a shed reverse
engineers the Windows drivers) to run and so if you want to share it
over the network you would also have to do that via a Windows PC. As
new Windows versions come out (after day 13 years as Vista was to XP)
it's *possible* that the printer would no longer be supported (by any
later version).

I was given a printer that was the other way around: manufacturer provided
no drivers in Vista (or was it 7?), but worked fine under Linux (and Mac, if
you pretended to be a newer model of the printer).

Of course. In the real world none of this is the 'perfect solution'.

I configured a CUPS
server to make it available to everything so no need to install the drivers
everywhere, just send Postscript to CUPS and it would convert.

Good solution.

The problem is very few know of Linux and you never (rarely) know when
buying a product, if it's 'Linux compatible' (not that GNU / Linux
means anything in and of itself as far as kernel / version is
concerned). It's even more difficult if you try to get formal (Linux)
support on something where Linux isn't mentioned.

However, when buying pretty well any hardware or software you have a
pretty good idea what Windows is supported (at least, other versions
may also be etc).

So, as with the printer the OP referenced:

http://www.ebuyer.com/721613-ricoh-s...printer-902146

.... we can be *sure* it will be compatible with:

"XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Server 2003/2008/2012" (that's
~15 years worth of Windows) at least and if It doesn't work with one
of those you can formally contact support on and ask why.

In theory I would expect the same reply when asking for support on
W8.1 and 10, OSX or Linux, however, I feel there would still be a
better chance of it working with 8.1 or 10 than OSX or Linux
(especially in this case with it being a GDI printer).

This isn't an 'anti Linux' comment, it's simply a reflection of the
real world, especially as observed by most ordinary users out there,
especially when it come to initial purchase confidence and formal
support.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Windows XP, 7 and 10 and Android can Network Print and Scan to my
new Ricoh MFP. Linux can only print to it (not tried OSX yet). I would
love to be able to use Linux with as many things as I can Windows but
I'm not surprised that I can't.

On 15/02/2016 00:09, Theo wrote:
T i m wrote:
The problem (to a tiny minority not running Windows) being a 'Windows
only' printer relies on Windows (unless some geek in a shed reverse
engineers the Windows drivers) to run and so if you want to share it
over the network you would also have to do that via a Windows PC. As
new Windows versions come out (after day 13 years as Vista was to XP)
it's *possible* that the printer would no longer be supported (by any
later version).

I was given a printer that was the other way around: manufacturer provided
no drivers in Vista (or was it 7?), but worked fine under Linux (and Mac, if
you pretended to be a newer model of the printer). I configured a CUPS
server to make it available to everything so no need to install the drivers
everywhere, just send Postscript to CUPS and it would convert.

Theo


If it was postscript capable printer then you didn't need drivers in
windows vista/7/8/10 you just needed to tell windows it was a postscript
printer.

On Sunday, 14 February 2016 15:34:13 UTC, T i m wrote:

I am assured that a laser printer won't worry if it isn't used for a few
months.

That is correct. Because toner is a powder it doesn't dry up like a
water based ink.

Toners do age though the powerder clumps together.

On 14/02/2016 14:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
TMack wrote:

These days printers are often sold at very low prices. However, the
manufacturers recoup any losses by selling over-priced ink/toner - and
by designing printers to ensure that they will only work with the
manufacturer's ink/toner.

For most makers who try this trick there is usually an aftermarket
supplier who finds a work round.

With my Dell 1320c colour printer I had to wait a while for the clone
makers to catch up but they did fairly quickly and now I can buy a full
set of CYMK toner cartirdges for less than the price of refill toner.

It is worth researching if third party aftermarket toner cartridges or
refill toner is available before buying an apparently very cheap engine
only to find out that it has extortionately priced bespoke fuel.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sunday, 14 February 2016 14:32:38 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
TMack wrote:
These days printers are often sold at very low prices. However, the
manufacturers recoup any losses by selling over-priced ink/toner - and
by designing printers to ensure that they will only work with the
manufacturer's ink/toner.

For most makers who try this trick there is usually an aftermarket
supplier who finds a work round.

--
A lot of cheap printers won't even accept the manufacturer's official cartridges, presumably the software algorithm that detects fake cartridges is too sensitive, so then you have to bin the whole printer when one cartridge runs out.

*Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sunday, 14 February 2016 15:56:30 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:13:31 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:10:04 UTC, T i m wrote:

Really? I don't think I've ever 'binned a printer before it died'?

I had several lasers that only ran on some very obsolete version of windows. Still worked but no use. We still have perfectly good printers from the win3 era, few folk today would be prepared to run win3 to support a printer.


NT