On Thursday, 24 December 2015 20:31:00 UTC, Phucker ****er wrote:
"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits. They
take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment you're
making back.

Tenant receiving housing benefit to pay rent on 2 bedroom flat is
assessed and told they can only have housing benefit for a one bedroom
flat, ergo tenant cannot afford rent and looks to move to one bedroom
flat.
Theory
Tenant moves to one bed flat and government saves on housing benefit
Practice
There are not many one bed flats available (other than in Hull)

Exactly, that's the problem, they're taxing you on something you cannot
stop doing.

Corse you can. You can have more people in the house or move to a house with
fewer bedrooms.

Hello Wodders.
Still doing the same spelling mistakes I see.

On 27/12/15 22:42, Phucker ****er wrote:
Giving you less than they previously gave you isn't theft.

It is, to Lefty****s.

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On Thursday, 24 December 2015 20:31:00 UTC, Phucker ****er wrote:
"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that
are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits.
They
take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment
you're
making back.

Tenant receiving housing benefit to pay rent on 2 bedroom flat is
assessed and told they can only have housing benefit for a one bedroom
flat, ergo tenant cannot afford rent and looks to move to one bedroom
flat.
Theory
Tenant moves to one bed flat and government saves on housing benefit
Practice
There are not many one bed flats available (other than in Hull)

Exactly, that's the problem, they're taxing you on something you cannot
stop doing.

Corse you can. You can have more people in the house or move to a house
with
fewer bedrooms.

Hello Wodders.

Such a terminal ****wit that it can't even work out why that was done.

Still doing the same spelling mistakes I see.

Taint a mistake, bigot boy.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 07:00:51 -0000, harry wrote:

On Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:49:36 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway, even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits.. They take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment you're making back.

Only a sponger thinks everyone gets benefits.

Everyone on benefits gets £x is what I meant. Stop misunderstanding for comic effect.

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 07:02:18 -0000, harry wrote:

On Thursday, 24 December 2015 20:31:00 UTC, Phucker ****er wrote:
"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits. They
take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment you're
making back.

Tenant receiving housing benefit to pay rent on 2 bedroom flat is
assessed and told they can only have housing benefit for a one bedroom
flat, ergo tenant cannot afford rent and looks to move to one bedroom
flat.
Theory
Tenant moves to one bed flat and government saves on housing benefit
Practice
There are not many one bed flats available (other than in Hull)

Exactly, that's the problem, they're taxing you on something you cannot
stop doing.

Corse you can. You can have more people in the house or move to a house with
fewer bedrooms.

Hello Wodders.
Still doing the same spelling mistakes I see.

He types how he speaks it innit?

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When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it.
If it comes out of theground easily, it is a valuable plant.

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:48:30 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:16:49 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 23:52:23 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that
are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits.
No they don't

Yip, £53 a week.

They take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment
you're making back.

That doesn't make it a tax.

Money given to the government is a tax. You pay them for using petrol,
drinking beer, earning money, etc, etc, all tax.

Snip
In this case no-one is giving money to the government.
The government gives you some money to help you with your housing costs.
A new government then decides that that amount is in some cases over
generous and decides to reduce it.
In no way shape or form can that be described as a tax.

If you want to look at it that way, PAYE income tax is not a tax, as
you never actually receive it.

Pay As You Earn. The clue is in the name.

It's EXACTLY like bedroom tax. Money deducted from that which is given to you.

It's nothing like the reduction in benefits which has been given the
misnomer by some of Bedroom Tax which in fact isn't a tax at all.
I will endeavour to explain once more and for the last time.
Money is given by an employer to their employee as wages in return for
duties performed. Some of that money is then deducted by the employer
acting as unpaid tax collector and forwarded to HM Treasury. That is a
tax.
An amount of money generally called a benefit is given to a citizen to
help them when in need.
The government of the day then decides that from a future date that
amount will be reduced. That is not a tax it is a reduction in the
amount given by the state as a gift.
No further correspondence will be entered into on this matter as if you
still claim you do not understand the difference now you are obviously a
troll
--
bert

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:07:51 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:48:30 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:16:49 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 23:52:23 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that
are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits.
No they don't

Yip, £53 a week.

They take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment
you're making back.

That doesn't make it a tax.

Money given to the government is a tax. You pay them for using petrol,
drinking beer, earning money, etc, etc, all tax.

Snip
In this case no-one is giving money to the government.
The government gives you some money to help you with your housing costs.
A new government then decides that that amount is in some cases over
generous and decides to reduce it.
In no way shape or form can that be described as a tax.

If you want to look at it that way, PAYE income tax is not a tax, as
you never actually receive it.

Pay As You Earn. The clue is in the name.

It's EXACTLY like bedroom tax. Money deducted from that which is given to you.

It's nothing like the reduction in benefits which has been given the
misnomer by some of Bedroom Tax which in fact isn't a tax at all.
I will endeavour to explain once more and for the last time.
Money is given by an employer to their employee as wages in return for
duties performed. Some of that money is then deducted by the employer
acting as unpaid tax collector and forwarded to HM Treasury. That is a
tax.
An amount of money generally called a benefit is given to a citizen to
help them when in need.
The government of the day then decides that from a future date that
amount will be reduced. That is not a tax it is a reduction in the
amount given by the state as a gift.

Just because the body the tax goes to is the same body that paid the wage doesn't stop it being a tax. It's a tax because it punishes you for doing something the government doesn't want you to do.

No further correspondence will be entered into on this matter as if you
still claim you do not understand the difference now you are obviously a
troll

The troll is the one who won't accept the viewpoint of another, which would be you, folding your arms and running off because you can't handle the fact you might be wrong. I suggest you grow up before you come back to play with the adults in the newsgroups.

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"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:07:51 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:48:30 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:16:49 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 23:52:23 -0000, bert
wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw
writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert
wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw
writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's
the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats
that
are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council.
Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges
the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in
benefits.
No they don't

Yip, £53 a week.

They take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a
payment
you're making back.

That doesn't make it a tax.

Money given to the government is a tax. You pay them for using
petrol,
drinking beer, earning money, etc, etc, all tax.

Snip
In this case no-one is giving money to the government.
The government gives you some money to help you with your housing
costs.
A new government then decides that that amount is in some cases over
generous and decides to reduce it.
In no way shape or form can that be described as a tax.

If you want to look at it that way, PAYE income tax is not a tax, as
you never actually receive it.

Pay As You Earn. The clue is in the name.

It's EXACTLY like bedroom tax. Money deducted from that which is given
to you.

It's nothing like the reduction in benefits which has been given the
misnomer by some of Bedroom Tax which in fact isn't a tax at all.
I will endeavour to explain once more and for the last time.
Money is given by an employer to their employee as wages in return for
duties performed. Some of that money is then deducted by the employer
acting as unpaid tax collector and forwarded to HM Treasury. That is a
tax.
An amount of money generally called a benefit is given to a citizen to
help them when in need.
The government of the day then decides that from a future date that
amount will be reduced. That is not a tax it is a reduction in the
amount given by the state as a gift.

Just because the body the tax goes to is the same body that paid the wage
doesn't stop it being a tax.

Plenty of what goes to the govt isn't a tax,
it's a fee for the service you are getting etc.

It's a tax because it punishes you for doing something the government
doesn't want you to do.

That's a fine/penalty, not a tax. We have different words for a reason.

No further correspondence will be entered into on this matter as if you
still claim you do not understand the difference now you are obviously a
troll

The troll is the one who won't accept the viewpoint of another,

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

which would be you, folding your arms and running off because you can't
handle the fact you might be wrong.

He isn't running anywhere, just ignoring fools too stupid to understand the
basics.

I suggest you grow up before you come back to play with the adults in the
newsgroups.

I order you to retake Trolling 101.