On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:07:51 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:48:30 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:16:49 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 23:52:23 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:38 -0000, bert wrote:

In article , Mr Macaw writes
No, you ask the council for a smaller one and they say no. It's the
council who are saying there are none left. Most rented flats that
are
dirt cheap for people on the dole are owned by the council. Anyway,
even if they weren't, it would be easy for the body that charges the
bedroom tax to find a flat and say "go there".
No one charges anyone a bedroom tax.

What a stupid way you look at things. Everyone gets £x in benefits.
No they don't

Yip, £53 a week.

They take some away if you have too many bedrooms. So that's a payment
you're making back.

That doesn't make it a tax.

Money given to the government is a tax. You pay them for using petrol,
drinking beer, earning money, etc, etc, all tax.

Snip
In this case no-one is giving money to the government.
The government gives you some money to help you with your housing costs.
A new government then decides that that amount is in some cases over
generous and decides to reduce it.
In no way shape or form can that be described as a tax.

If you want to look at it that way, PAYE income tax is not a tax, as
you never actually receive it.

Pay As You Earn. The clue is in the name.

It's EXACTLY like bedroom tax. Money deducted from that which is given to you.

It's nothing like the reduction in benefits which has been given the
misnomer by some of Bedroom Tax which in fact isn't a tax at all.
I will endeavour to explain once more and for the last time.
Money is given by an employer to their employee as wages in return for
duties performed. Some of that money is then deducted by the employer
acting as unpaid tax collector and forwarded to HM Treasury. That is a
tax.
An amount of money generally called a benefit is given to a citizen to
help them when in need.
The government of the day then decides that from a future date that
amount will be reduced. That is not a tax it is a reduction in the
amount given by the state as a gift.

Just because the body the tax goes to is the same body that paid the wage doesn't stop it being a tax. It's a tax because it punishes you for doing something the government doesn't want you to do.

No further correspondence will be entered into on this matter as if you
still claim you do not understand the difference now you are obviously a
troll

The troll is the one who won't accept the viewpoint of another, which would be you, folding your arms and running off because you can't handle the fact you might be wrong. I suggest you grow up before you come back to play with the adults in the newsgroups.

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