Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.


That's quite a big generator. Is that ordering to buy, or ordering to
hire? If the latter, I would *hope* the hire company might talk you
through some of the issues.

On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i
was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have
to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

To put that into context, my car has a range at motorway speed of about 750
miles on a 60 litre tank so I'd have to drive at 70 mph for about 9 hours to
use up that amount of fuel. So a 250 kVA generator is using up diesel at
about 9x the rate of a standard car bombing down the motorway.

I think you definitely have got your decimal point in the wrong place :-)

On 01/09/2015 13:05, NY wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but
i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

To put that into context, my car has a range at motorway speed of about
750 miles on a 60 litre tank so I'd have to drive at 70 mph for about 9
hours to use up that amount of fuel. So a 250 kVA generator is using up
diesel at about 9x the rate of a standard car bombing down the motorway.

I think you definitely have got your decimal point in the wrong place :-)

Or the person issuing the instruction, of course!

On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 13:05:58 +0100, NY wrote:

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an
hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

To put that into context, my car has a range at motorway speed of about
750 miles on a 60 litre tank so I'd have to drive at 70 mph for about 9
hours to use up that amount of fuel. So a 250 kVA generator is using up
diesel at about 9x the rate of a standard car bombing down the motorway.

Diesel has roughly 10 kWhr of energy per litre.

250 kVA output at say 60% effciency requires over 400 kWhr input
(assuming 1 kVA = 1 kW, which it may or may not do depending on the
load). Divide by 10 to get litres = 40 plus l/hr...

If you where driving down the motorway with your right foot hard on
the floor all the time you would have a better comparison. Also bear
in mind that 250 kW is also about 350 bhp, so hardly a "standard
car"...

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Cheers
Dave.

On 01/09/2015 12:40, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i
was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

Cheers
--
Syd

"Syd Rumpo" wrote in message
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On 01/09/2015 12:40, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i
was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

And with a 250 kVA generator you could turn the water from a fireman's hose
to steam!


I remember when many of the villages round here had to go onto local
generators while some work was done on the supply, there were generators in
cabinets about the size of a car - and that was one genny for about every 20
houses.

In article , NY
wrote:
"Syd Rumpo" wrote in message
...
On 01/09/2015 12:40, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

And with a 250 kVA generator you could turn the water from a fireman's
hose to steam!


I remember when many of the villages round here had to go onto local
generators while some work was done on the supply, there were generators
in cabinets about the size of a car - and that was one genny for about
every 20 houses.


we had a 60kVA genny all to ourselves last summer when the cable under the
road died.(it was helped on its way a building site down the road who
shorted it out)

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On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 18:32:09 +0100, NY wrote:

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

And with a 250 kVA generator you could turn the water from a fireman's
hose to steam!

Hum, take 1 l of water at 15 C and end with steam at 100C I make to
require 2616 kJ. A decent firehose delivers around 10 l per second.
So thats 26 MJ or 26,000 kW.

Remove the requirement to turn to steam and you only need 356 kJ per
l.
A more manageable 3.5 MJ 3,500 kW.

I think, those numbers look rather big but 10l/sec is a lot of
water(*) and water takes a lot of energy to heat and even more to
turn to steam.

(*) Will fill a 1 metre cube IBC in 1 min 40 seconds.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 18:32:09 +0100, NY wrote:

"Syd Rumpo" wrote in message
...
On 01/09/2015 12:40, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i
was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

And with a 250 kVA generator you could turn the water from a fireman's hose
to steam!


I remember when many of the villages round here had to go onto local
generators while some work was done on the supply, there were generators in
cabinets about the size of a car - and that was one genny for about every 20
houses.

When an Irish electrician ****ed up the wiring at the high school I worked at (during renovations and extension), he shorted one of the incoming phases causing a small fire, and burning out the cable. While the EB replaced the cable, we used a three phase generator the size of a lorry. I don't know what the specs of it were.

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When an Irish electrician ****ed up the wiring at the high school I worked
at

Springfield High School?


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On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 17:20:22 +0100, Syd Rumpo wrote:

On 01/09/2015 12:40, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i
was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

People do seem to be getting more and more powerful showers. Quite why I don't know. Do they use them hotter and hotter? Do they want a torrent or waterfall in their bathroom? Why hasn't the meddling EU limited them like hairdryers and vacuum cleaners?

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote
Syd Rumpo wrote
Martin Brown wrote
Sal wrote

Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L
an hour. You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.

You could run a half decent electric shower, though.

People do seem to be getting more and more
powerful showers. Quite why I don't know.

Because they are too stupid to get a decent mains
pressure storage hot water service instead.

Do they use them hotter and hotter?

Or they decided that the old one was ****ed to use.

Do they want a torrent or waterfall in their bathroom?

Or just a decent shower.

Why hasn't the meddling EU limited them
like hairdryers and vacuum cleaners?

They haven't got around to them yet, stupid.

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:40:44 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

A 2500l bowser by the sound of it.

In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 01/09/2015 11:20, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but
i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size ,
i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

Are you sure that you have the decimal point in the right place?

250kva will power a small industrial site and consume ~50L an hour.
You will need a sizeable fuel storage tank to go with it!

Domestic kit typically tends to be in the 2-10kva range.


Seconded.

I can run my home quite happily from a 7.5KVA generator.

What is your application?
--
Bill

On Tuesday, 1 September 2015 11:20:16 UTC+1, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

sounds like you've no idea what you want. We can't tell you until you tell us.


NT

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 13:48:19 +0100, wrote:

On Tuesday, 1 September 2015 11:20:16 UTC+1, Sal wrote:
Hi,
Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.
Thanks.

sounds like you've no idea what you want. We can't tell you until you tell us.

It's for his big weed growing rooms.

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Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.

(I had a friend who worked delivering these :-) )

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

In article , Scott M wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

:-)

Darren

On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article , Scott M wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

:-)

Darren



There was something similar, although a bit more enclosed, parked up by
Fleet Pond a few months ago, possibly supplying a local comms mast or
perhaps some MOD buildings.

Sal seems to be keeping his head down, which makes me wonder if he is a
troll.

newshound wrote:

On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

Sal seems to be keeping his head down, which makes me wonder if he is a
troll.

If genuine, it rather seems that he needs professional advice
with his procurement.

Chris
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On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article , Scott M wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

:-)

Darren


So where's starter pull-cord?

Cheers
--
Syd

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 17:34:38 UTC+1, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article , Scott M wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

So where's starter pull-cord?

ISTR there were large engines made with added starter engines.


NT

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

ISTR there were large engines made with added starter engines.

To run the compressor to build up a supply of compressed air to be
released into engine to "blow" it over?

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Cheers
Dave.

Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article , Scott M
wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

:-)

Darren


So where's starter pull-cord?

Cheers
I once started a wartime D4 tractor,it had a rope start petrol starter
motor to start the diesel.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:46:17 +1000, F Murtz wrote:

Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 02/09/2015 16:28, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article , Scott M
wrote:
Sal wrote:
Hi, Want to ask a quick question. Please excuse my lack of knowledge
but i was told before ordering a stand by generator this size , i
need to specify to the supplier certain things.

can i just buy 250kva stand by generator that runs on disel or do i
have to explain how and what should come with it. Kindly advice.

You don't buy these, you hire them. And generally that means you're
either a REC, a film studio, an NHS Trust or the Royal Navy submarine
division. None of whom have ever had recourse to uk.diy before.


The OP did say as a standby gen - so that would normally be bought and
not hired. We've a 750KVa genny here for standby. And yes, it does get
through it's 1000l tank fairly swiftly :-)

Definitly not something to just "order" though... needs a bit more
thought than that... here is ours being "delivered"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dmchap...57604376562828

:-)

Darren


So where's starter pull-cord?

Cheers
I once started a wartime D4 tractor,it had a rope start petrol starter
motor to start the diesel.

I hate to go one better, but My old dad had one that required a shotgun
cartridge 12 bore blank to start it up. There was a special valve in the
head of one cylinder to accept the cartridge. He would then leaving it
idling all day when not in use rather than re-starting it as diesel was
dirt cheap back then; certainly cheaper than cartridges.