It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

On 18/07/2015 11:35, David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.



Not to mention the countless BBC reporters hanging around in Athens.

On 18/07/2015 11:37, Andy Burns wrote:
David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...


But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

David Lang wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room, but signal tends to
only travel tens or hundreds of miles, signals between studio and
presenter outside the courthouse can travel tens of thousands of miles...

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 11:37:51 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

It's not such a stupid question. Isn't the answer, in part at least,
that 15+ years ago ENG (Electronic News Gathering) would likley as not
be done over a point-to-point microwave link, but now they are all SNG
over geostationary satellite with their inherent latency?



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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
David Lang wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room,

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

--
Adam

David Lang wrote:
On 18/07/2015 11:37, Andy Burns wrote:
David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...


But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone signals are processed for delay equalisation as standard -
part of the process to remove/reduce the effects of multipath
propagation. there is more information in each data packet than just the
voice message.

ARW wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
David Lang wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room,

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

Often, when testing phones.

Bill

In article ,
David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

Welcome to the wonderful world of digital. All digital signals are delayed
in one way or another. With pictures, even more.

And on a live broadcast, the 'other end' will be using off air for comms.
And that is even more delayed.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
David Lang wrote:
On 18/07/2015 11:37, Andy Burns wrote:
David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...


But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

It certainly does. But not to a noticeable extent.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

The reasoning is cock anyway - the phones do not talk to one another
directly, even if they are in the same room.

It's very noticeable with digital radio mics. If you have another cabled
mic in the same location, the digital one is noticeably late.

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Huge wrote:

ARW wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

For testing VoIP, quite frequently.

The reasoning is cock anyway - the phones do not talk to one another
directly, even if they are in the same room.

Did I say they did? It's just that *being* in the same room, hearing
the person live as well as through the mobile network makes the delay
noticeable ...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene of
the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As it
was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example cows on
a motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with the words
'some cows yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their readers what cows
look like presumably

"Phil L" wrote in message ...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene of the news for
no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As it was 6:45
the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example cows on a
motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with the words 'some cows
yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their readers what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.


michael adams

....

"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example cows
on a motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with the
words 'some cows yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their readers
what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.

Preferably none, she'd frighten a police horse

On 18/07/2015 11:35, David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

It's probably a satellite link. Speed of light effect.

Another Dave

--
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In article , Andy
Burns writes
David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...


Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.
--
bert

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 11:35:49 +0100, David Lang wrote:

It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

Whilst I, otoh, can see *every* reason why 'modern communication
techniques' could account for this delay. :-)

--
Johnny B Good

On 18/07/2015 11:35, David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at all.

I find it interesting that whilst satellite delays used to be obvious
when studio presenters interviewed live reporters from the States, now
there is usually (though not always) no obvious delay. I assume that
this is because these transmissions now often come by fibre. Or is there
now some cleverness which delays the local stuff just enough to
compensate for the round trip to the geostationary satellites?

In article , Andy
Burns scribeth thus
David Lang wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room, but signal tends to
only travel tens or hundreds of miles, signals between studio and
presenter outside the courthouse can travel tens of thousands of miles...


Mobile fones do delay the signals but TV is worse more coding and
decoding etc . Its modern digital tech. The delays on FM compared to DAB
are around 20 seconds;!..

--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 21:58:13 +0100, newshound wrote:

On 18/07/2015 11:35, David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

I find it interesting that whilst satellite delays used to be obvious
when studio presenters interviewed live reporters from the States, now
there is usually (though not always) no obvious delay. I assume that
this is because these transmissions now often come by fibre. Or is there
now some cleverness which delays the local stuff just enough to
compensate for the round trip to the geostationary satellites?

Your initial assessment about the use of fibre optic transatlantic
undersea cable routes is the correct one, your second hypothesised option
doesn't exist.

--
Johnny B Good

On Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:31:26 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
David Lang wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...

But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room,

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

Teenagers do it all the time.
I traveled with a train load of them a few months back, they were texting persons sat a few yards away and speaking to persons only a little further by phone.

Weird eh?

On Saturday, 18 July 2015 17:26:25 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message ...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene of the news for
no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As it was 6:45
the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example cows on a
motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with the words 'some cows
yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their readers what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.


michael adams

...




There's at least one on the internet.
She is younger but still ugly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3043402.html

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:46:20 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:


Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room,

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

Teenagers do it all the time.
I traveled with a train load of them a few months back, they were texting persons sat a few yards away and speaking to persons only a little further by phone.


The text messages were probably something like ," Have you seen that
wierd looking old git staring at us, he looks like a sex offender and
has got BO"

G.Harman

Yes I have noticed this. I suspect its due to the use of digital links over
the internet and mobile network or whatever. Every hop will add a delay and
if they use a satellite even more of course.
In the old days it was simple. You just picked up a radio mike and sent it
down a nearby leased line, but now they don't do that, they do the whole
thing over a streaming system ofsome kind instead.
Brian

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"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene of
the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As it
was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

It does sometimes. It depends on the route used in the infrastructure and
how busy it is.
Also i have noticed a lot of large companies now use Voip and the quality of
their phones degrades at busy times of day, quite audibly.
Brian

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"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 18/07/2015 11:37, Andy Burns wrote:
David Lang wrote:

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

The speed of light hasn't increased lately and delays for encoding and
buffering have ...


But it doesn't seem to affect mobile phones etc?

I was aware some time ago of a device that was originally intended to
gradually rebuild delays when a presenter hit the dump button on an abusive
caller so the world never heard them that was used to basically delay the
interview and edit out the quiet bits. This worked well when the link was
silent between people talking but with a loud noise in the background
produced weird echoes and a lengthening delay instead of just one delay at
the start, and in some cases you could still hear the echoes in the
background of pick up at either end, as the delay was in fact still there
for the two reporters.
Brian

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"Johnny B Good" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 21:58:13 +0100, newshound wrote:

On 18/07/2015 11:35, David Lang wrote:
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

However, why is there such a long delay between the studio presenter
saying "Whats happening" and Fred replying?

With modern communication I can't see why there should be any delay at
all.

I find it interesting that whilst satellite delays used to be obvious
when studio presenters interviewed live reporters from the States, now
there is usually (though not always) no obvious delay. I assume that
this is because these transmissions now often come by fibre. Or is there
now some cleverness which delays the local stuff just enough to
compensate for the round trip to the geostationary satellites?

Your initial assessment about the use of fibre optic transatlantic
undersea cable routes is the correct one, your second hypothesised option
doesn't exist.

--
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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:46:20 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:


Mobile phone calls do have small buffering/encoding delays, more
noticeable if you call someone in the same room,

How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?

Teenagers do it all the time.
I traveled with a train load of them a few months back, they were texting
persons sat a few yards away and speaking to persons only a little further
by phone.


The text messages were probably something like ," Have you seen that
wierd looking old git staring at us, he looks like a sex offender and
has got BO"



You owe me a new keyboard.
--
Adam

"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example
cows on a motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with
the words 'some cows yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their
readers what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.

Preferably none, she'd frighten a police horse

Could you imagine a threesome with Angela Merkel and Ann Widdecombe?


--
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In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus
"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene
of the news for no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As
it was 6:45 the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being
there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example
cows on a motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with
the words 'some cows yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their
readers what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.

Preferably none, she'd frighten a police horse

Could you imagine a threesome with Angela Merkel and Ann Widdecombe?



You owe me a me a new keyboard!!!...
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2015-07-19, tony sayer wrote:
In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus

[31 lines snipped]

Could you imagine a threesome with Angela Merkel and Ann Widdecombe?



You owe me a me a new keyboard!!!...

Was there diced carrot in it?

VBG.



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On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:52:24 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Saturday, 18 July 2015 17:26:25 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message ...

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
It seems to be necessary on news programs to have someone at the scene of the news for
no apparent reason.

T'other night it was "Now over to Fred Bloggs at Hove Crown Court". As it was 6:45
the court was closed so there was no point in Fred being there.

It's like the Sun 'newspaper', if they do a story about, for example cows on a
motorway, it will have a stock photo of some fresians, with the words 'some cows
yesterday' underneath. This is to remind their readers what cows look like presumably

But most of the pictures in newspapers like the Sun are going to
be of things or people which their readers are already familiar with.
Pictures of celebrities, politicians, footballers, birds with big tits
etc etc. And except for the tits, it's not that different in
most papers, come to that. Just how many different photographs
of Angelas Merkel does anyone need to see ? Fully clothed at least.


michael adams

...




There's at least one on the internet.
She is younger but still ugly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3043402.html

And ones without those hideous black bikinis ;-)

http://anna-news.info/sites/default/.../751960073.jpg

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%Profound_observation%

On 18/07/2015 13:31, ARW wrote:


How often do you phone someone that is in the same room as you?


Every time my wife can't find her phone.

--
Reentrant

In article ,
bert wrote:
Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.

ITWYM is digital is behind analogue.

There is more delay between your loudspeaker and ear when listening to
pips than over an entire analogue chain. That isn't instantaneous, but is
near enough in practice.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:02:11 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
bert wrote:
Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.

ITWYM is digital is behind analogue.

There is more delay between your loudspeaker and ear when listening to
pips than over an entire analogue chain. That isn't instantaneous, but is
near enough in practice.

It used to be said that the GTS emanating from Droitwich is accurate
when heard on a receiver 100 miles away. As luck would have it I live
precisely that distance away as the RF flies.

I Doubt if this will increase the value of my house much though.



--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article , Graham.
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:02:11 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article , bert
wrote:
Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.

ITWYM is digital is behind analogue.

There is more delay between your loudspeaker and ear when listening to
pips than over an entire analogue chain. That isn't instantaneous, but
is near enough in practice.

It used to be said that the GTS emanating from Droitwich is accurate when
heard on a receiver 100 miles away.

Back at Broadcasting House, London, was the criterion - yes about 100 miles

As luck would have it I live precisely that distance away as the RF flies.

I Doubt if this will increase the value of my house much though.

In article ,
Graham. wrote:
There is more delay between your loudspeaker and ear when listening to
pips than over an entire analogue chain. That isn't instantaneous, but
is near enough in practice.

It used to be said that the GTS emanating from Droitwich is accurate
when heard on a receiver 100 miles away. As luck would have it I live
precisely that distance away as the RF flies.

The analogue signal proceeds along the cable etc at not far short of the
speed of light. So a 100 miles here or there isn't going to make much
difference. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.

ITWYM is digital is behind analogue.

For the benefit of the leftie thicko let me explain that analogue ahead
of digital means the same as digital behind analogue.
There is more delay between your loudspeaker and ear when listening to
pips than over an entire analogue chain. That isn't instantaneous, but is
near enough in practice.


--
bert

On 19/07/2015 19:58, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Yup. Hence analogue time pips are ahead of their digital counterparts.

ITWYM is digital is behind analogue.

For the benefit of the leftie thicko let me explain that analogue ahead
of digital means the same as digital behind analogue.

For something like a time signal, no it doesn't.