In message , rick
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On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...13216610.VIDEO

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling
Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much
more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then
one wonders?



where I live there is a several miles coastal dual carriageway ... with
purpose built cycles tracks on both side.

Just because they are purpose built , doesn't necessarily mean they are
fit for use as such.

Cyclists simply do not use them

I suspect some do. However, the sorts of cyclists who might be found
cycling in groups along this route might not want to.

........ when questioned as top why they
are riding 2 or 3 abreast totally blocking one lane of dual carriageway
... and not on cycle track ... they respond its their right to ride
where they want.

As it is, and as I said elsewhere if they considered the cycle track
was suitable they would probably ride on that.
Without insurance

Sure lots of cyclists won't have, but how do you know? I have third
party insurance by dint of my membership of cycling organisation. Most
cyclist who are part of a club or organisation of some sort will have
such.


and without contributing directly to roads via Excise
license.

Vehicle tax, as it seems to be called by the government nowadays isn't
used to directly fund roads, it goes into the general tax pot. And most
cyclists are probably also vehicle owners and so will pay vehicle tax
anyway.
--
Chris French

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:16:07 +0100, CB wrote:

On 04/06/2015 09:06, Jethro_uk wrote:


The bottom line is simple. Cyclists and cars *don't mix*· (In fact
cyclists and all other forms of road user don't mix) Anyone who thinks
it's a good idea to have road traffic with a speed differential in
excess of 30mph mixing it up is a ****ing idiot.

Quite aside from the fact that the kerbside of most urban roads is so
cratered it's impossible to ride a bike there, even if you wanted.

I noticed with interest in Almeria, Spain (can't speak for the rest)
that the main (new) coastal road had been built with the cycle path
separated from the road by a few metres. I the reflected on the fact
that the UK probably paid for it ....

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/
@51.155755,-1.773616,3a,66.8y,68.2h,85.27t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!
1sj9cLXt6gOS1E4xEPapEhsg!2e0

Is that a dedicated cycle lane ?

Sorry, the Spanish have the right idea


data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqo1jZXCm-GB4tEch92kvgA!2e0!6m1!1e1

So theirs is two empty lanes instead of one. BFD.

Now explain where the cycle lane is going to go in this instance:


/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suIeBe0J07Wdo8iakAiQXRg!2e0



If the URL worked I might try.

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Death is final. A new battery pack for a Tesla is reputed to cots
$30,000 plus.

Which, IIRC, Tesla will replace gratis. After all the bad publicity
regarding "bricked" cars due to incorrectly stored or charged batteries,
they decided to replace packs irrespective of the cause.

Even old age?

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged in.
Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal car will
last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

--
*(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 12:59:51 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left
plugged in.

Careful of the fat finger, leading to a different meaning. 'Part up a
Tesla'?

--
Davey.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Death is final. A new battery pack for a Tesla is reputed to cots
$30,000 plus.

Which, IIRC, Tesla will replace gratis. After all the bad publicity
regarding "bricked" cars due to incorrectly stored or charged batteries,
they decided to replace packs irrespective of the cause.

Even old age?

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged in.
Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal car will
last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking wouldn't
work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine over.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 06/06/15 14:10, charles wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged in.
Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal car will
last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking wouldn't
work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine over.


I'm not surprised - Teslas don't have engines...

In article ,
Davey wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 12:59:51 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left
plugged in.

Careful of the fat finger, leading to a different meaning. 'Part up a
Tesla'?

;-) Part out. There will probably be somewhere doing just that in the US.

--
*Your kid may be an honours student, but you're still an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
charles wrote:
One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged
in. Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal
car will last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking
wouldn't work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine
over.

Yes - remember reading somewhere the battery in a BMW wasn't covered by
warranty if parked up for more than 3 weeks.

Of course if the battery fails, so does the alarm, so you might as well
just disconnect the battery. ;-)

--
*How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? *

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling
Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much
more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then
one wonders?

Absolutely nothing. Cyclists make no contribution via specific extra
taxes in order to use their vehicles on the road and are an
insignificant minority, only accounting for 1% of passenger miles traveled.

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 06/06/15 14:10, charles wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged in.
Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal car will
last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking wouldn't
work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine over.


I'm not surprised - Teslas don't have engines...

;-)

But they have a battery many many times the capacity of a normal car, so
what's taking all the current? Surely wouldn't self discharge that quickly?

--
*A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click *

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged
in. Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal
car will last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking
wouldn't work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine
over.

Yes - remember reading somewhere the battery in a BMW wasn't covered by
warranty if parked up for more than 3 weeks.

Of course if the battery fails, so does the alarm, so you might as well
just disconnect the battery. ;-)

It was probably the alsrma nd teh radio together which were draining the
battery

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 06/06/15 14:10, charles wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say the
airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left plugged
in.
Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on a normal car will
last at least that under quiescent drain, with all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking wouldn't
work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the engine over.


I'm not surprised - Teslas don't have engines...

Electric cars have a 12volt system to power all the accesories.
Also need to charge the main battery and start the car.
It won't move if the 12 volt battery is flat.

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say
the airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left
plugged in. Which seemed odd to me, as even a lead acid battery on
a normal car will last at least that under quiescent drain, with
all the toys.

I found that after 2 weeks near Heathrow, The electric unlocking
wouldn't work. There was barely enough charge left to turn the
engine over.

Yes - remember reading somewhere the battery in a BMW wasn't covered
by warranty if parked up for more than 3 weeks.

Of course if the battery fails, so does the alarm, so you might as well
just disconnect the battery. ;-)

It was probably the alsrma nd teh radio together which were draining the
battery

Even my 20 year old BMW has some form of can bus switching. Which almost
certainly means bits of it are consuming current when doing nothing. Even
plain old central locking has a timer circuit which will take some
current. And it all adds up.

--
*I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.*

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 06/06/2015 17:49, David Lang wrote:
On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/


Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling
Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much
more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then
one wonders?

Absolutely nothing. Cyclists make no contribution via specific extra
taxes in order to use their vehicles on the road

Neither does any other road user.
Car drivers pay for the pollution they emit these days as can be seen by
the zero rate on cars that (supposedly) produce little pollution.

On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 17:41:06 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

One of the early stories was you couldn't part up a Tesla at say
the airport while you went on holiday for say 3 weeks, unless left
plugged in.

Careful of the fat finger, leading to a different meaning. 'Part
up a Tesla'?

;-) Part out. There will probably be somewhere doing just that in the
US.

Yep. In any of the major cities, just look for the nearest Chop Shop.

--
Davey.

On 06/06/2015 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/06/2015 17:49, David Lang wrote:
On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/



Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling
Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much
more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then
one wonders?

Absolutely nothing. Cyclists make no contribution via specific extra
taxes in order to use their vehicles on the road

Neither does any other road user.

Motorists pay £46 billion a year in specific extra taxes in order to use
their vehicles on the road.

Car drivers pay for the pollution they emit these days as can be seen by
the zero rate on cars that (supposedly) produce little pollution.

Simply a sop to the green loonies.