Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

Adam Aglionby wrote:

From same `paper` as the B&Q banning
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/
Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:
"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."
Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

If its the one I saw last week, then the cyclist is a knob too. he
should have let the bloke get out of his car, then ridden off, he'd look
a right tit then, ranting in the road on his own. Or, punched him on the
nose immediately.
Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane, The downsides - keep stopping at
each junction, the surface is usually far worse that the adjoining
road, pedestrians regularly walk into the cycle lane, cars park on the
lane, it goes up and down with each kerb drop/access etc.

If they spent their money on something that is better,and useable, then
people would use them, but as it is, they are worse than using the road,
so you wont see many people using them.
--
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle lanes
in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for cycling
and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more to make
their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do
you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

Anything else (or don't spend the money in the first place providing
'facilities that no-one wants/will use) "magic paint" on a pavement does
NOT make that area safe/suitable for cycling

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 07:07, harryagain wrote:

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

As should a lot of drivers. Lot ‰* all
There are nutters in every form of transport they are not all bad but
we only ever notice the minority who are knob ends

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

Train cyclists that blind people cannot see or hear them coming and to get a
bell and use the bloody thing, instead of shouting obscenities at us.
Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle lanes
in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for cycling
and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more to make
their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do
you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

A.Lee wrote:

Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane,

When on the actual road, what is the status of cycle lanes
denoted by a broken white line? I can't quite see what this
achieves.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

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On 04/06/15 08:06, soup wrote:
On 04/06/2015 07:07, harryagain wrote:

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

As should a lot of drivers. Lot ‰* all
There are nutters in every form of transport they are not all bad but
we only ever notice the minority who are knob ends

I saw 2 dickheads on bikes on London nearly mow down another cyclist who
was pushing his bike over a zebra crossing - missed him by about 2".

There seemed to be some irony there!

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/15 08:59, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Train cyclists that blind people cannot see or hear them coming and to get a
bell and use the bloody thing, instead of shouting obscenities at us.
Brian


And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 09:00, Chris J Dixon wrote:
A.Lee wrote:

Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane,

When on the actual road, what is the status of cycle lanes
denoted by a broken white line? I can't quite see what this
achieves.

Chris

AIUI it is a "guide" as to how much space to give a cyclist (if one is
there) - if no cyclist present just feel free to use that bit of the
road. If its a solid line then cars shouldn't be using that part of the
road.

If it means don't enter at all then this road becomes just about
impassable to two way traffic





--
CB

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 09:06, Jethro_uk wrote:


The bottom line is simple. Cyclists and cars *don't mix*· (In fact
cyclists and all other forms of road user don't mix) Anyone who thinks
it's a good idea to have road traffic with a speed differential in excess
of 30mph mixing it up is a ****ing idiot.

Quite aside from the fact that the kerbside of most urban roads is so
cratered it's impossible to ride a bike there, even if you wanted.

I noticed with interest in Almeria, Spain (can't speak for the rest) that
the main (new) coastal road had been built with the cycle path separated
from the road by a few metres. I the reflected on the fact that the UK
probably paid for it ....

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



--
CB

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
A.Lee wrote:

Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane,

When on the actual road, what is the status of cycle lanes
denoted by a broken white line? I can't quite see what this
achieves.

Bugger all :-)

They are advisory - other vehicles can use that are of road, potentially
park on them etc. (as opposed to the ones with solid lines which are
only for cycle use)

I guess the idea is that it is supposed to encourage drivers to stay out
of that bit of road.
--
Chris French

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article , CB wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:06, Jethro_uk wrote:


The bottom line is simple. Cyclists and cars *don't mix*· (In fact
cyclists and all other forms of road user don't mix) Anyone who thinks
it's a good idea to have road traffic with a speed differential in
excess of 30mph mixing it up is a ****ing idiot.

Quite aside from the fact that the kerbside of most urban roads is so
cratered it's impossible to ride a bike there, even if you wanted.

I noticed with interest in Almeria, Spain (can't speak for the rest)
that the main (new) coastal road had been built with the cycle path
separated from the road by a few metres. I the reflected on the fact
that the UK probably paid for it ....

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



That's because they are demonstrating their "rights" to use the road.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...st_and_driver/

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for cycling
and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more to make
their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly else do
you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one wonders?

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

I can't agree with you there.
ALL cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In message , harryagain
writes
A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

For once I agree with Harry.

Last night the lights turned green and I moved forward only to have to
slam on the brakes as a lycra wonder shot through his red lights at
28mph. I turned left and followed him, that's why I know his speed.

Around here there are two cycle lanes, well separated from their
derestricted road and that took the council several weeks to prepare and
tarmac. One of them involved the removal of the lay-by which I often
used en-route to the tip to check the security of goods in the trailer.
The cyclists still use the road.

Worst of all is the Mersey Tunnel on a sunny weekend. They replaced the
lighting then saved money by removing every other fluorescent tube. A
few weeks back on a Saturday morning, having entered the tunnel from
bright sun, I suddenly encountered a gaggle of cyclists unlit in the
gloom a few feet ahead. I swung right into the outside lane only to find
another gaggle straddling both lanes. I had to yank the wheel and cross
to the oncoming outside lane. I should have reported them and raised the
alarm, but failed in my duty.
I'm still amazed that I have never been able to find any guidance or
regulations about lighting levels in road tunnels.
--
Bill

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 10:16, CB wrote:

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one


Is that a cycleway or one of those separated walkway things?

If really a walkway it is no wonder cyclists don't use it as there would
be comments (if not a slanging match) E.G. "get off the pavement and on
to the %^&$ing road where you belong".

If an actual cycleway I can see no reason not to use it (at least that
portion of it, I would be slightly concerned what happens at either end)

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 11:22, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I can't agree with you there.
ALL cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.



I can't agree with you there.
There are some absolute knob ends but most are generally good but every
now and then they misjudge things.
Note this is cyclists in general, not commuters through London some of
the *&^% that goes on there terrifies me.
Never yet met a driver who has never misjudged anything and been
grateful for an empty road/attentive other road users etc.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 09:00, Chris J Dixon wrote:

When on the actual road, what is the status of cycle lanes
denoted by a broken white line? I can't quite see what this
achieves.

About all it achieves is the mate of the guy in the council who owns a
paint factory stays solvent(pun intended). It is of no use whatsoever
to cyclists, or indeed other traffic.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/15 11:22, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

I can't agree with you there.
ALL cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.


What about people who use BorisBikes?

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 06:39, A.Lee wrote:

If its the one I saw last week, then the cyclist is a knob too. he
should have let the bloke get out of his car, then ridden off, he'd look
a right tit then, ranting in the road on his own.

And have an upset driver in charge of two tons of metal behind you. No
thanks.

Quite often if someone is driving like a knob behind me then I will pull
over and let him past better to have a knob end in front of you than
having to pass you.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On Thursday, 4 June 2015 11:44:34 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/06/15 11:22, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

A lot of cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.

I can't agree with you there.
ALL cyclists should be rounded up and gassed.


What about people who use BorisBikes?

Here's one that decided to use a unicycle

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-10290615.html

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 10:16, CB wrote:
And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



Looking at the satellite view of how it handles roundabouts, I'm not
surprised.

I take it the street view is of the seemingly unnamed road running
parallel to Stockport Road.

If so, that path is going to be awkward to join when turning right off
of the A345 and awkward to leave when turning left onto the A345.

Most confident, experienced cyclists will want to be on the road to
negotiate that roundabout. Turning right from the A345, having
negotiated the roundabout the access points to the path are not in a
convenient or obvious location. Turning left onto the A345, the leaving
points for the path are in bloody awkward locations.

A few more dropped kerbs along its length, particularly close to
junctions, would make the path considerably more convenient to use and
thus much more appealing.

--
Danny Colyer
"I'm riding a unicycle with my pants down. This should be every boy's
dream." - Bartholomew J Simpson

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 11:26, soup wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:16, CB wrote:

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



Is that a cycleway or one of those separated walkway things?

If really a walkway it is no wonder cyclists don't use it as there would
be comments (if not a slanging match) E.G. "get off the pavement and on
to the %^&$ing road where you belong".

If an actual cycleway I can see no reason not to use it (at least that
portion of it, I would be slightly concerned what happens at either end)

Its a "dual use" cycleway/footway as indicated by these signs



At the ends it has its own way round the roundabouts until it really
finishes some considerable distance away.


--
CB

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In message , charles
writes
In article , CB wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:06, Jethro_uk wrote:


The bottom line is simple. Cyclists and cars *don't mix*· (In fact
cyclists and all other forms of road user don't mix) Anyone who thinks
it's a good idea to have road traffic with a speed differential in
excess of 30mph mixing it up is a ****ing idiot.

Quite aside from the fact that the kerbside of most urban roads is so
cratered it's impossible to ride a bike there, even if you wanted.

I noticed with interest in Almeria, Spain (can't speak for the rest)
that the main (new) coastal road had been built with the cycle path
separated from the road by a few metres. I the reflected on the fact
that the UK probably paid for it ....

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sj9cLXt6gOS1E4xEPapEhsg!2e0

That's because they are demonstrating their "rights" to use the road.

Not really, generally cyclists will use whatever suits their purpose
best and they feel most comfortable and safest using (like people
driving cars really). If cyclists don't use a facility, there is
generally a good reason for that. (Danny has pointed out some potential
issues with this particular one)

On the whole I tend to not use such cycle facilities. They are often
poorly designed (poor sightlines, poor junctions, too narrow etc.), slow
and feel more dangerous (need to take care because of pedestrians, dogs,
children etc. which might be unpredictable, or crossing over driveways,
or having to give way crossing over side roads, when on the road you
would have the right of way) and offer me as a cyclist little benefit as
opposed to cycling on the road, even though there are motor vehicles to
contend with.

Round our way, there are lots of very poorly done shared use pathways -
but they get a lot of use from lots of cyclists. In fact it has led to
another problem, people cycling around a lot on the pavements because
they don't really distinguish the two. In our village, there is lots of
pavement cycling, even from teenagers and adults, though it is a
perfectly safe place to cycle around on the roads
--
Chris French

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article ,
soup wrote:
There are nutters in every form of transport they are not all bad but
we only ever notice the minority who are knob ends

In terms of road users who do stupid things, cyclists take some beating.
Even although those stupid things may result in their death or injury
rather than others.

But then bleat on when one of their number is seriously injured that it is
always the fault of the vehicle driver - even when facts show it is
clearly not.

It is impossible in an old city like London to provide cycle routes
totally isolated from other traffic - they will always have to cross etc
at some point. And the majority of cyclists hate stopping or giving way.
Very noticeable on pedestrian crossings where an vast number will ignore
pedestrians having priority.

Driving round London, it's rare not to see a near miss involving a cyclist
several times a day. And in the vast majority of the cases caused by the
cyclist ignoring the highway code.

For all types of traffic to co-exist on our roads, there have to be rules
followed by all. Not just the ones that suit an individual at any point in
time.

--
*It ain't the size, it's... er... no, it IS ..the size.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is simple. Cyclists and cars *don't mix*· (In fact
cyclists and all other forms of road user don't mix) Anyone who thinks
it's a good idea to have road traffic with a speed differential in
excess of 30mph mixing it up is a ****ing idiot.

But there isn't - or shouldn't be - that sort of speed differential in
towns. More like 20 mph max. Much less with some cyclists. And it's the
faster cyclists who tend to ignore the highway code the most.

--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/15 08:59, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Train cyclists that blind people cannot see or hear them coming and to
get a
bell and use the bloody thing, instead of shouting obscenities at us.
Brian


And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

I have an electric car. Great fun.
Supermarket car park is best.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

soup wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:16, CB wrote:

And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one


Is that a cycleway or one of those separated walkway things?

If really a walkway it is no wonder cyclists don't use it as there would
be comments (if not a slanging match) E.G. "get off the pavement and on
to the %^&$ing road where you belong".

If an actual cycleway I can see no reason not to use it (at least that
portion of it, I would be slightly concerned what happens at either end)

I can see why they wouldn't use it at the nearby roundabout. Negotiating a
roundabout as a "third class" road user/pedestrian and being forced to give
way to traffic going in each direction at every fecking "leg" of the
roundabout is a pain in the arse. I always negotiate roundabouts as a road
going vehicle, not as a crippled pedestrian.

Tim

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Driving round London, it's rare not to see a near miss involving a cyclist
several times a day. And in the vast majority of the cases caused by the
cyclist ignoring the highway code.


Camberwell New Road down to Peckham Road was the eye opener for me.


--
Adam

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In message , Brian-Gaff
writes
Train cyclists that blind people cannot see or hear them coming and to get a
bell and use the bloody thing, instead of shouting obscenities at us.

White stick through the front wheel spokes behind the forks:-)

--
Tim Lamb

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/2015 09:10, Tim Watts wrote:

And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

Just wait until you meet a Tesla. They can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds in
stealth mode...

Andy

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 04/06/15 21:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:10, Tim Watts wrote:

And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

Just wait until you meet a Tesla. They can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds in
stealth mode...

Andy

3.2 seconds if you get the souped up version :)

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/06/15 21:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:10, Tim Watts wrote:

And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

Just wait until you meet a Tesla. They can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds in
stealth mode...

Andy

3.2 seconds if you get the souped up version :)

Wonder how many of those it would manage before the battery is flat?

--
*Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On 05/06/2015 00:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/06/15 21:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:10, Tim Watts wrote:

And Pruis drivers... Every time one sneaks up on me in London in stealth
mode it freaks me.

Just wait until you meet a Tesla. They can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds in
stealth mode...

Andy

3.2 seconds if you get the souped up version :)

Wonder how many of those it would manage before the battery is flat?


ITYM dead.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
Wonder how many of those it would manage before the battery is flat?


ITYM dead.

Hope I don't.

Death is final. A new battery pack for a Tesla is reputed to cots $30,000
plus.

--
*IS THERE ANOTHER WORD FOR SYNONYM?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
Wonder how many of those it would manage before the battery is flat?


ITYM dead.

Hope I don't.

Death is final. A new battery pack for a Tesla is reputed to cots $30,000
plus.

Which, IIRC, Tesla will replace gratis. After all the bad publicity
regarding "bricked" cars due to incorrectly stored or charged batteries,
they decided to replace packs irrespective of the cause.

Tim

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On Thursday, 4 June 2015 12:10:33 UTC+1, Danny Colyer wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:16, CB wrote:
And when we build them in the UK most lycra louts wont use them. Most
of them don't use this one



Looking at the satellite view of how it handles roundabouts, I'm not
surprised.

I take it the street view is of the seemingly unnamed road running
parallel to Stockport Road.

If so, that path is going to be awkward to join when turning right off
of the A345 and awkward to leave when turning left onto the A345.

Most confident, experienced cyclists will want to be on the road to
negotiate that roundabout. Turning right from the A345, having
negotiated the roundabout the access points to the path are not in a
convenient or obvious location. Turning left onto the A345, the leaving
points for the path are in bloody awkward locations.

A few more dropped kerbs along its length, particularly close to
junctions, would make the path considerably more convenient to use and
thus much more appealing.


So how far off safe driving was the user of LB10 SFJ?

I dare say there won't be a video of a brick retribution but I hope the OP keeps us informed.

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article , A.Lee
writes
Adam Aglionby wrote:

From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime....VIDEO___There
___s_a_________cycle_lane__I___ll_________kill_y ou___explosive_row_betw
een_cyclist_and_driver/
Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling Campaign:
"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much more
to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."
Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then one
wonders?

If its the one I saw last week, then the cyclist is a knob too. he
should have let the bloke get out of his car, then ridden off, he'd look
a right tit then, ranting in the road on his own. Or, punched him on the
nose immediately.
Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane, The downsides - keep stopping at
each junction, the surface is usually far worse that the adjoining
road, pedestrians regularly walk into the cycle lane, cars park on the
lane, it goes up and down with each kerb drop/access etc.

If they spent their money on something that is better,and useable, then
people would use them, but as it is, they are worse than using the road,
so you wont see many people using them.
We have a beautiful segregated cycle lane near us set apart from a busy
main road but some cyclists won't use it because they say it undermines
their right to use the road. I was told this by the widow of one of the
road's recent cycling victims.
--
bert

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

In article , Chris J Dixon
writes
A.Lee wrote:

Anyway, the vast majority of cycle lanes are quite
useless for anyone who is commuting/getting anywhere. It is because
Councils employ people who havent got a clue, and think a painted line
on a pavement can be the cycle lane,

When on the actual road, what is the status of cycle lanes
denoted by a broken white line? I can't quite see what this
achieves.

Chris
Same thing as any other lane marking. Don't switch into that lane unless
you are sure to is safe to do so and unless you have good cause to do
so.
--
bert

Road Rage and cycle lanes
 

On 03/06/2015 21:24, Adam Aglionby wrote:
From same `paper` as the B&Q banning

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime...13216610.VIDEO

Not condoning the actions of the driver, but the comment about cycle
lanes in the story from Tim Lennon, from the Richmond Cycling
Campaign:

"...on a road like this, which should probably only be used for
cycling and for local access anyway, local councils could do much
more to make their boroughs safer and more inviting."

Apart from providing the empty and unused cycle lane what exactly
else do you think should be done with council tax payers cash then
one wonders?



where I live there is a several miles coastal dual carriageway ... with
purpose built cycles tracks on both side.
Cyclists simply do not use them ........ when questioned as top why they
are riding 2 or 3 abreast totally blocking one lane of dual carriageway
.... and not on cycle track ... they respond its their right to ride
where they want.

Without insurance and without contributing directly to roads via Excise
license.