Having adopted my son's Samsung phone, I'm having a play. This is my
first android type phone (I thought my last mobile was sophisticated
because it took photos as well as made phone calls), which is now
connected to the home network. Phone is running Android 4.4.4 The
phone is S3, I think.

Having installed ES File Explorer on the phone, I can see shared files
on my Netbook, using the phone. What I can't see is the phone from the
Netbook. Should I be able to? I perhaps naively assumed the phone
would appear on the Netbook (W98), but there must be a setting I am
missing within the phone. Whatever it is, I can't find. Any clues?
--
Graeme

News wrote:

What I can't see is the phone from the Netbook. Should I be able to?
I perhaps naively assumed the phone would appear on the Netbook
(W98)

Earlier versions of Android presented as USB removable storage so would
look like an external drive to a PC, but newer versions use MTP or PTP
instead, so the phone doesn't have to unmount the storage to allow the
PC to mount it.

Win98(!) doesn't come with MTP drivers, you might be able to find some
and install them, e.g.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/171263/mtp-devices-in-windows-me/?p=957830

In message , Andy
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News wrote:

What I can't see is the phone from the Netbook. Should I be able to?
I perhaps naively assumed the phone would appear on the Netbook
(W98)

Win98(!) doesn't come with MTP drivers, you might be able to find some
and install them, e.g.

*Major* embarrassment. Sorry chaps. XP not 98! I know I'm in a time
warp, but not quite that far back :-)
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Graeme

On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:04:47 +0100, News wrote:

*Major* embarrassment. Sorry chaps. XP not 98! I know I'm in a time
warp, but not quite that far back :-)

grin Should just play, then.

Check the preferences on the phone, that it's not been set to default to
charge-only. Does it play nicely if you plug it in to a different PC?

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On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:04:47 +0100, News wrote:

*Major* embarrassment. Sorry chaps. XP not 98! I know I'm in a time
warp, but not quite that far back :-)

grin Should just play, then.

Check the preferences on the phone, that it's not been set to default to
charge-only. Does it play nicely if you plug it in to a different PC?

I'm having a bad morning :-)

When I connect the phone to my Netbook (running XP!) via USB lead, I can
see it and access it as an attached device,just like a USB stick, camera
etc.

When I connect the two wirelessly, via the home network, I can 'see' the
Netbook from the phone, and access shared files.

What I cannot do is see the phone from the Netbook wirelessly, through
My Network Places, Entire Network etc. That is what I hope to achieve,
not because I need to, but just because I think it should be possible.

More to the point, my son who is, like all teenagers, a World Gadget
Expert, told me he thought I couldn't.
--
Graeme

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News wrote:
When I connect the phone to my Netbook (running XP!) via USB lead, I can
see it and access it as an attached device,just like a USB stick, camera
etc.

Yes - that's what happens with my Samsung here.

When I connect the two wirelessly, via the home network, I can 'see' the
Netbook from the phone, and access shared files.

What I cannot do is see the phone from the Netbook wirelessly, through
My Network Places, Entire Network etc. That is what I hope to achieve,
not because I need to, but just because I think it should be possible.

Think it's more a Windows thing. My smart TVs see any Windows computer on
my LAN - but not the other way round.

More to the point, my son who is, like all teenagers, a World Gadget
Expert, told me he thought I couldn't.

If you download My Phone Explorer to both the PC and phone, you'll be able
to share stuff pretty easily both ways via Wi-Fi without using a cloud.
It's one of those 'free' progs where they prompt you to make a donation.

(Thanks to Dave Liquorice for the heads up on this prog - it does exactly
what I wanted)

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News wrote:

When I connect the phone to my Netbook (running XP!) via USB lead, I
can see it and access it as an attached device,just like a USB stick,
camera etc.

OK.

When I connect the two wirelessly, via the home network, I can 'see' the
Netbook from the phone, and access shared files.

That's because the PC is acting as a file server, and ES explorer is
acting as a CIFS client.

What I cannot do is see the phone from the Netbook wirelessly, through
My Network Places, Entire Network etc.

Your PC is a CIFS client, but Android doesn't act as a file server.
That's why people have suggested mounting over SSH etc.

On 28/05/15 14:21, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2015 13:30:26 +0100, News wrote:

What I cannot do is see the phone from the Netbook wirelessly, through
My Network Places, Entire Network etc. That is what I hope to achieve,
not because I need to, but just because I think it should be possible.

Well, you'd think.

Welcome to Android. Where **** all "just works".

You need the phone to act as a server to the Netbook. Either via SMB
(Samba - Windows stylee) or FTP.

Or the other way around - possibly enabling a share on the netbook.

It may be possible to crowbar the bluetooth OBEX stack into the equation.
But Androids version of bluetooth is even more sucky than Windows - which
is saying something.

Blimey I thought I was out of date with xp.
brian

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o.uk...
News wrote:

What I can't see is the phone from the Netbook. Should I be able to?
I perhaps naively assumed the phone would appear on the Netbook
(W98)

Earlier versions of Android presented as USB removable storage so would
look like an external drive to a PC, but newer versions use MTP or PTP
instead, so the phone doesn't have to unmount the storage to allow the PC
to mount it.

Win98(!) doesn't come with MTP drivers, you might be able to find some and
install them, e.g.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/171263/mtp-devices-in-windows-me/?p=957830

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writes
Blimey I thought I was out of date with xp.

My bad, Brian. I am indeed using XP, not 98. Fingers in gear, brain in
neutral again.

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Graeme

On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:16:07 +0100, News wrote:

What I can't see is the phone from the Netbook. Should I be able to?

Yes, it should just pop up as an external drive - providing you tell the
phone to act as external storage. When you plug the USB in, does it come
up on the screen asking what to do? Charge, storage, both?

I perhaps naively assumed the phone would appear on the Netbook (W98)

That's probably your problem, right there. An OS that was released 17yrs
ago and replaced 20yrs ago...

Adrian wrote:

An OS that was released
17yrs ago and replaced 20yrs ago...

You are The Doctor and ICMFP
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On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:44:02 +0100, Robin wrote:

Adrian wrote:
An OS that was released 17yrs ago and replaced 15yrs ago...

You are The Doctor and ICMFP

I don't know what you mean...

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:46:54 +0000, Adrian wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:44:02 +0100, Robin wrote:

Adrian wrote:
An OS that was released 17yrs ago and replaced 15yrs ago...

You are The Doctor and ICMFP

I don't know what you mean...

Time inversion.

News wrote:
Having adopted my son's Samsung phone, I'm having a play. This is my
first android type phone (I thought my last mobile was sophisticated
because it took photos as well as made phone calls), which is now
connected to the home network. Phone is running Android 4.4.4 The
phone is S3, I think.

Having installed ES File Explorer on the phone, I can see shared files
on my Netbook, using the phone. What I can't see is the phone from
the Netbook. Should I be able to? I perhaps naively assumed the
phone would appear on the Netbook (W98), but there must be a setting
I am missing within the phone. Whatever it is, I can't find. Any
clues?

Have you opened remote manager in ES File Explorer and used the address
there on your PC? That works in XP and Windows 7 but I've no idea if
Windows 98 will cope

See http://www.estrongs.com/eshelp/en/ne...#_Toc406426524
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On 28/05/2015 10:16, News wrote:

Having adopted my son's Samsung phone, I'm having a play. This is my
first android type phone (I thought my last mobile was sophisticated
because it took photos as well as made phone calls), which is now
connected to the home network. Phone is running Android 4.4.4 The phone
is S3, I think.

Having installed ES File Explorer on the phone, I can see shared files
on my Netbook, using the phone. What I can't see is the phone from the
Netbook. Should I be able to? I perhaps naively assumed the phone would
appear on the Netbook (W98), but there must be a setting I am missing
within the phone. Whatever it is, I can't find. Any clues?

I can see the shared folders on my W7 computer from my Android Moto G
phone when running ES File Explorer - but not the other way round.

In order to see files on the phone from the PC, I have to physically
connect them via USB. The phone then appears as an external drive on the PC.

Can't guarantee this will work on W98 though!
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Roger Mills wrote:
I can see the shared folders on my W7 computer from my Android Moto G
phone when running ES File Explorer - but not the other way round.


It took me a while to discover the way see the files from Windows over a
network as the setting is not obvuous in ES but IMO it makes it much
easier to manage files. See
http://www.estrongs.com/eshelp/en/ne...#_Toc406426524


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On 28/05/2015 10:59, Robin wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:
I can see the shared folders on my W7 computer from my Android Moto G
phone when running ES File Explorer - but not the other way round.


It took me a while to discover the way see the files from Windows over a
network as the setting is not obvious in ES but IMO it makes it much
easier to manage files. See
http://www.estrongs.com/eshelp/en/ne...#_Toc406426524



Many thanks for that. I wasn't aware of that - and can now see some of
the files stored on the phone in its internal storage (pseudo SD card).

But I *can't* find a way of navigating to the *real* SD card - where
most of my data are stored. Am I missing something?

I sometimes wish to transfer music files and photos from my PC to my
phone so that I can play them or show them to other people when I'm out
and about. I want them to go onto the external SD card[1] - but I can't
see how to do that without using USB. Where am I going wrong?

[1] OK, I can copy them to internal storage and then move them within
the phone - but that rather defeats the object of the exercise!
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On 28/05/2015 17:22, Roger Mills wrote:
On 28/05/2015 10:59, Robin wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:
I can see the shared folders on my W7 computer from my Android Moto G
phone when running ES File Explorer - but not the other way round.


It took me a while to discover the way see the files from Windows over a
network as the setting is not obvious in ES but IMO it makes it much
easier to manage files. See
http://www.estrongs.com/eshelp/en/ne...#_Toc406426524



Many thanks for that. I wasn't aware of that - and can now see some of
the files stored on the phone in its internal storage (pseudo SD card).

But I *can't* find a way of navigating to the *real* SD card - where
most of my data are stored. Am I missing something?

I sometimes wish to transfer music files and photos from my PC to my
phone so that I can play them or show them to other people when I'm out
and about. I want them to go onto the external SD card[1] - but I can't
see how to do that without using USB. Where am I going wrong?

[1] OK, I can copy them to internal storage and then move them within
the phone - but that rather defeats the object of the exercise!



Sorry - forget all that! I hadn't taken on-board the bit about using
Settings to set the root directory. Have now done this, and can see
everything!
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[This thread was originally only in uk.d-i-y but I'm x-posting it to
comp.mobile.android since that is probably more relevant.]

Following advice given here to enable ES File Explorer's Remote Manager
function, I managed to use an FTP application running on my W7 computer
to do two-way file transfers between the computer and my Android 5 Moto
G phone - including accessing data stored on a micro-SD card inside the
phone.

It's probably a pure coincidence but - the very next day after I got
this working - I got an error message on the phone complaining that the
SD card had been "removed unexpectedly" - which of course it hadn't!

According to Google, this is not an uncommon occurrence and is sometimes
caused by some sort of incompatibility between phone and SD card.
However, in my case, the card really seems to be screwed!

It's a 16GB Class-10 card, but only just over 1GB is actually used. This
includes some photos and audio files - for which I have backups - but it
also includes a number of Apps which have been been moved to the card
and some off-line map files for the Here mapping/navigation App. I have
turned the phone off several times and removed and re-seated the SD card
- after which it appears to work for a very short time, but then the
error message reappears. Needless to say, if the phone can't access the
card, the on-card Apps no longer work!

The card is now removed from the phone, and I have a new one on order.
When I put the card into a micro-SD to SD adapter and plug that into the
card reader slot of one of my PCs, the PC recognises the presence of the
card, but goes unresponsive if I try to access any of the files. I've
had slightly more success with another PC and have - I think - made a
backup of everything on the card. But that took over 24 hours!!! to copy
1GB of data. What the hell was it doing all that time?

Having (I hope) got the data off, I've tried several times to re-format
the card - but it just sits there like a lemon saying "0 percent
completed".

I'm hoping that when the new card comes, I'll be able to restore all the
files to it, put it into the phone and everything will work as before.
Is this wishful thinking?

Does anyone have any insight as to what can happen to a micro-SD card
such that it can only be read incredibly slowly, seemingly cannot be
written to at all (and, no, it's not write protected) and makes a phone
think that it's been removed when it hasn't?

Is there any possibility that using FTP between computer and phone could
have damaged the card in some way? [I've had a smaller capacity card in
the phone for a couple of days as a temporary measure, and that seems
happy enough with the FTP process].

Informed comments please!
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On 28/05/15 10:16, News wrote:

Having adopted my son's Samsung phone,

OK - first mistake!

You are supposed to get the best on contract yourself and 2 years later,
pass it onto him as a cast off!

;-

I'm having a play. This is my
first android type phone (I thought my last mobile was sophisticated
because it took photos as well as made phone calls), which is now
connected to the home network. Phone is running Android 4.4.4 The
phone is S3, I think.

Good - the S3 is still perfectly serviceable.

Having installed ES File Explorer on the phone, I can see shared files
on my Netbook, using the phone. What I can't see is the phone from the
Netbook. Should I be able to? I perhaps naively assumed the phone
would appear on the Netbook (W98), but there must be a setting I am
missing within the phone. Whatever it is, I can't find. Any clues?

Stick an SSH server on the phone:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...apps.sshserver

and use SFTP from the netbook (using typically WinSCP as you said
Windows, or Cyberduck from a Mac).

You need to choose an ssh port number on the phone (22 is not permitted
unless you root the phone, pick a random memorable number =1024 and =65535

Note the phones IP on the network (system settings/About Device/Status)
or install a "widget" app that tells you.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hiess.ipwidget

Set up a user and password in the SSH app.


Connect to WIFI (as most cell operators block incoming IP connections)

Use WinSCP to connect to the IP above using the port and user and
password you setup.

Hey presto, GUI explore type access to your phone's filesystem.


It is a lot less hassle once you have the apps installed an dthe basic
setup done.



The other option is AirDroid.

In message , Tim Watts
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On 28/05/15 10:16, News wrote:

Having adopted my son's Samsung phone,

OK - first mistake!

You are supposed to get the best on contract yourself and 2 years
later, pass it onto him as a cast off!

grin I never use the bl**dy thing. PAYG and a tenner will last me
years. Most of the top ups I buy die after six months, long before I've
used the credit. Seriously. Having got this latest one alive and
kicking, I must remember to use it twice a year, just to keep it going.

Stick an SSH server on the phone:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...apps.sshserver

and use SFTP from the netbook (using typically WinSCP as you said
Windows, or Cyberduck from a Mac).

Thank you. I'm going to read all that slowly at least six more times,
then have a go.

--
Graeme

On 28/05/2015 10:16, News wrote:

Having adopted my son's Samsung phone, I'm having a play. This is my
first android type phone (I thought my last mobile was sophisticated
because it took photos as well as made phone calls), which is now
connected to the home network. Phone is running Android 4.4.4 The
phone is S3, I think.

Having installed ES File Explorer on the phone, I can see shared files
on my Netbook, using the phone. What I can't see is the phone from the
Netbook. Should I be able to? I perhaps naively assumed the phone
would appear on the Netbook (W98), but there must be a setting I am
missing within the phone. Whatever it is, I can't find. Any clues?


On W7 it will detect the phone and install the Samsung driver ... I
tried it with S2 yesterday and worked fine, and I know it works with my
S4 & S5

You may need to install driver.
go to http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads

Though it maybe that Samsung does not support an OS as old as W98 ....
was 17 years ago :-)

Could also see if you can install Samsung KIES ... that may help 'if' it
support 98