Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


--
Cheers,

John.

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The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


Cheers,

John.

You should have just assembled the IEKA one .......

On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


That looks nicely made, but having such a relatively large hangover at
the ends of a short stool could lead to more excitement than you want.
Take care!

In article ,
John Rumm writes:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.

Looks good.

I would just comment that as it's designed to be stepped on, watch
out for where the top overhangs the feet when you step on/off it.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
John Rumm writes:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.

Looks good.

I would just comment that as it's designed to be stepped on, watch
out for where the top overhangs the feet when you step on/off it.

Looks comfy. I think I would have deepened the cross member (stile?) to
withstand tangential loading. Particularly in view of your impact on the
plastic whatsit:-)

I spent my morning fabricating a *rotted post* puller from bits lying
around the farm and the afternoon discovering that posts in dry ground
rot some distance below the surface:-(


--
Tim Lamb

On Thursday, 7 May 2015 18:15:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm writes:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.

Looks good.

I would just comment that as it's designed to be stepped on, watch
out for where the top overhangs the feet when you step on/off it.

Since the stool is a rigid structure, its the overhang compared to the foot position that counts. The latter could be shifted by adding wider feet onto the base if desired.


NT

On Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:20:04 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.

I envy your supply of tuits. I'm very lacking of late.


NT

On 07/05/15 19:16, wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:20:04 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.

I envy your supply of tuits. I'm very lacking of late.


NT


You are welcome to some of mine

In message ,
writes

I envy your supply of tuits. I'm very lacking of late.

I could supply the tuits if necessary - what I couldn't do is 'just
knock together' something like that. Ever. It is gorgeous.
--
Graeme

On Thursday, 7 May 2015 19:25:01 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 07/05/15 19:16, nt wrote:

I envy your supply of tuits. I'm very lacking of late.

You are welcome to some of mine

I wish


NT

On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.



Looks great! Was SWMBO happy with it as a replacement for her green
plastic monstrosity?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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On 07/05/15 19:49, wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 19:25:01 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 07/05/15 19:16, nt wrote:

I envy your supply of tuits. I'm very lacking of late.

You are welcome to some of mine

I wish


NT


See you Monday morning? Have tools

On 07/05/2015 18:08, wrote:
On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


That looks nicely made, but having such a relatively large hangover at
the ends of a short stool could lead to more excitement than you want.
Take care!

The design was done so that there is actually very little hangover - the
legs splay out such that the footprint is only 1/2" smaller all round
that the top. So its quite stable.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 07/05/2015 19:16, wrote:
On Thursday, 7 May 2015 18:15:26 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm writes:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg



Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants
plans, let me know and I will draw some.

Looks good.

I would just comment that as it's designed to be stepped on, watch
out for where the top overhangs the feet when you step on/off it.

Since the stool is a rigid structure, its the overhang compared to
the foot position that counts. The latter could be shifted by adding
wider feet onto the base if desired.

Hopefully this shot shows that the amount of overhang is mostly an illusion:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...oolEndView.jpg


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 07/05/2015 19:52, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.



Looks great! Was SWMBO happy with it as a replacement for her green
plastic monstrosity?

After an initial "will that take my weight?" doubt (which I dispelled
conclusively by standing on it!), see seemed gruntled. I think I am
forgiven for the destruction of the original ;-)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 07/05/2015 21:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/05/2015 18:08, wrote:
On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


That looks nicely made, but having such a relatively large hangover at
the ends of a short stool could lead to more excitement than you want.
Take care!

The design was done so that there is actually very little hangover - the
legs splay out such that the footprint is only 1/2" smaller all round
that the top. So its quite stable.


OK, it must be a perspective effect in that photo.

Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it, and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


Nice design, even has a fart hole...

Mike

On 08/05/15 09:24, Huge wrote:
On 2015-05-07, John Rumm wrote:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

I'm hugely envious of your skills, John.



I'm hugely envious of his outlook on life.

I would have invented quite a lot of new words then gone down the pub.

John makes a stool!

John makes a stool!

did he use corn in there for texture ? .....sorry the stool is nice ......

On 08/05/2015 08:59, wrote:
On 07/05/2015 21:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/05/2015 18:08, wrote:
On 07/05/2015 17:20, John Rumm wrote:
Funny where this DIY lark can lead you...

For ages I have had a short extension lead draped across the room to
power the fridge since its original socket was eliminated in a bit of a
reorganisation when the boiler was changed. So finally locating the
required shape of tuit, I decided to stick in a new socket properly.

Glossing over the whole "wall seems to be made of nuclear strike proof
concrete block" that laughed at the attempts of my SDS to touch it, and
required more considered coaxing with the SDS Max concrete breaker - we
had a new socket back box nicely chased in ready for wiring. Being
about
waist height and on a hard tiled floor, I though it would be easier to
sit on something low to wire it up. Normally I sit on the toolbox with
my electrical kit in it, but this time I had only bothered grabbing the
cutters, earth sleeve, screwdriver, and a rubber grommet from it, and
had left the rest in the workshop. So I thought - aha, will borrow
SWMBOs hideous green plastic step stool from the kitchen.

With hindsight that was a mistake. They seem to rely on a certain
amount
of friction on the floor to not splay their legs to the side when
loaded. Needless to say, me + plus smooth floor was too much for it,
and
I narrowly avoided a jagged green plastic enema as fragments of it flew
in all directions!!

So I thought I would make a nice traditional step stool as a
replacement. Ideally out of oak since that is what the cupboards are
faced with. Fortunately I remembered there was a spare kitchen unit
cupboard door in the garage. So I hacked it about a bit, and came up
with this:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

Top is about 14" by 9", and it stands about 10" tall. The "pegged"
stretcher seems to keep it all nice an solid regardless of load.

The design was a figment of my imagination, but if anyone wants plans,
let me know and I will draw some.


That looks nicely made, but having such a relatively large hangover at
the ends of a short stool could lead to more excitement than you want.
Take care!

The design was done so that there is actually very little hangover - the
legs splay out such that the footprint is only 1/2" smaller all round
that the top. So its quite stable.


OK, it must be a perspective effect in that photo.

Yup partly... the narrow axis overhang is quite small. Its slight wider
on the long axis - probably an inch to inch and a half each end. (the
legs splay by 12 degrees - and are set in 2.5" from the end where they
meet the top. However there is also a slight concave radius on the end
which brings the edge in a little)


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 08/05/2015 09:24, Huge wrote:
On 2015-05-07, John Rumm wrote:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...dStepStool.jpg

I'm hugely envious of your skills, John.

Kind of you to say. In reality most of the skill was working out "how do
I get out of that?" each time I realised I had done something in a sub
optimal order! Like cutting the radius on the end of the top and then
thinking about how to route the mortice for the legs ;-)

(moral of the story, have a plan before you start cutting!)


--
Cheers,

John.

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