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On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 1:05:09 PM UTC, Adrian wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:52:38 -0800, meow2222 wrote:

surely all you need is a convincing answer to

"why do you want to train to be a (whatever) tradesman"?

"Cos I need to do summat to earn beer money", not being the right
answer

I know some great tradespeople where that is the real answer. All you
need is a bit of motivation.

Exactly. And you don't get the motivation to do more than the bare
minimum by only needing to earn beer money. Speak to any really decent
tradesman, in any trade, and they'll have a real interest and passion in
doing a damn good job, above and beyond pure economic interest.

but it begins with 'needing' beer money.

but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000 others.

tim

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On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 1:05:09 PM UTC, Adrian wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:52:38 -0800, meow2222 wrote:

surely all you need is a convincing answer to

"why do you want to train to be a (whatever) tradesman"?

"Cos I need to do summat to earn beer money", not being the right
answer

I know some great tradespeople where that is the real answer. All you
need is a bit of motivation.

Exactly. And you don't get the motivation to do more than the bare
minimum by only needing to earn beer money. Speak to any really decent
tradesman, in any trade, and they'll have a real interest and passion in
doing a damn good job, above and beyond pure economic interest.

but it begins with 'needing' beer money.

but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

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tim..... wrote:
but it begins with 'needing' beer money.

but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

Quite. Especially since you could earn that beer money so much more easily
than as an apprentice.

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

Proper apprenticeships tend to be very much in demand - especially in a
market with high youth unemployment. The chances of anyone having
thousands of choices is Daily Mail fantasy.

However, as always, an apprentice may get the job because of who his
parents know - rather than on actual merit.

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On 08/02/2015 12:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

Proper apprenticeships tend to be very much in demand - especially in a
market with high youth unemployment. The chances of anyone having
thousands of choices is Daily Mail fantasy.

However, as always, an apprentice may get the job because of who his
parents know - rather than on actual merit.


AIUI there are grants to take on apprenti, if they fail you don't have
to return all the grant. I wouldn't be surprised if you can make cash by
getting rid of apprenti early on. Any one looked at the rules lately?

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

Proper apprenticeships tend to be very much in demand - especially in a
market with high youth unemployment. The chances of anyone having
thousands of choices is Daily Mail fantasy.

The fact that other professions aren't recruiting at the moment doesn't make
them a non available choice from a personal preference pov.

and that was my point

trades want to be hiring people who really do want to do that job, and not
just take people on because it's all that's available.

If there are only 10 jobs available for every 100 job seekers there are
still going to be 90 people looking for work whichever 10 you take on

You don't do anybody any favours by choosing applicant A over applicant X
because applicant A spends more on beer

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

Proper apprenticeships tend to be very much in demand

It'd be interesting to see if Adam agrees with that.

- especially in a market with high youth unemployment.

Presumably his is.

The chances of anyone having thousands
of choices is Daily Mail fantasy.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

However, as always, an apprentice may get the job because
of who his parents know - rather than on actual merit.

Sure, but that isn't the filtering we are discussing.

tim..... wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

but that isn't the reason why you are choosing this career over 1000
others.

You don't know that that individual has 1000 others available.

Proper apprenticeships tend to be very much in demand - especially in a
market with high youth unemployment. The chances of anyone having
thousands of choices is Daily Mail fantasy.

The fact that other professions aren't recruiting at the moment doesn't
make them a non available choice from a personal preference pov.

Sure, but non one actually has 1000 others available
even in boom times when everyone is recruiting.

and that was my point

trades want to be hiring people who really do want to do that job,

Its far from clear that many individuals are all that set on a particular
trade,
even if you are just considering the trades that do have apprentices.

Its certainly true that there aren't that many who don't care
if the trade is hairdressing or an electrician or say a chef
but within the building industry its not so black and white.

and not just take people on because it's all that's available.

If there are only 10 jobs available for every 100 job seekers there are
still going to be 90 people looking for work whichever 10 you take on

Its far from clear that that is the case with apprentices much.

You don't do anybody any favours by choosing applicant A over applicant X
because applicant A spends more on beer

Sure, but we weren't discussing that, what we were actually
discussing was how significant a rather flippant answer that
they are applying for a particular apprenticeship to end up
with a job that pays for the beer is a good reason to decide
that that individual may not be the best applicant.

If someone like Adam does ever answer the question that way,
clearly you'd have ****ed up if you had rejected him for that.