The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds. Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA.

Is your monitor DVI-I, or just DVI-D? if the former

http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=LN50009

On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds. Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...X0V.html?src=3

Obviously the latest and greatest games won't run on it. Secondhand you
might find something cheaper still or better price performance at Cex.

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writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds. Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).

Various makers produce them, Just get one made by a decent manufacturer.
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In article ,
Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds. Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).

Various makers produce them, Just get one made by a decent manufacturer.

It's not the first graphics card I've had die, so would want one from a
reputable maker. But dunno who that would be. ;-) Asus is a pretty common
make - but I've had one of their mother boards die, so not sure if they
are a decent maker?

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On 02/02/2015 17:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's not the first graphics card I've had die, so would want one from a
reputable maker. But dunno who that would be. ;-) Asus is a pretty common
make - but I've had one of their mother boards die, so not sure if they
are a decent maker?


If you had posted about three weeks ago you could have had the three I
chucked out to try. None were very modern but they did openGL quite well.

En el artículo , Martin Brown |||newspa
escribió:

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...ress-hdmi-low-
profile-7X0V.html?src=3

OP said PCI, not PCI Express. Maybe he did mean PCIe but worth
checking.

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On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no exhaust,
are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?


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In message , RJH writes
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no
exhaust, are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

Well yes all these things depend.

But FWIW, I've got 3 pc's here, one in largish tower case, one in a
midi tower, one in small low profile case as an HTPC - all with passive
graphics cards and just cooled by the PSU and CPU fans and natural
ventilation. All three seem to have been operating fine for a number of
years
--
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In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
En el artículo , Martin Brown |||newspa
escribió:

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...b-pci-express-
hdmi-low-
profile-7X0V.html?src=3

OP said PCI, not PCI Express. Maybe he did mean PCIe but worth
checking.

Ah yes, true.

Though PCI graphics cards are pretty ancient now, didn't AGP supersede
them in the late '90's
--
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new
one as the motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA.

My dual head card has one DVI and one VGA output and I have
identical monitors on each head and can't tell the difference.

Don't use it for gaming so just want a basic card which will do 'HD'
resolution. For Win 7. There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10
of quids to hundreds. Would like a well made and reliable one, though.

I just go for the fanless cards to get no fan and
pick the cheapest available and it hasn’t failed.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as
the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).

Various makers produce them, Just get one made by a decent manufacturer.

It's not the first graphics card I've had die,
so would want one from a reputable maker.

I'm not convinced it's the manufacturer's reputation that matters on that.

Presumably what failed was the electrolytics.

You should be able to see what has a good record on that
but that may not say much about how long one bought new
now will last.

But dunno who that would be. ;-) Asus is a pretty common
make - but I've had one of their mother boards die,

I buy their motherboards and have never had one die.

I have had a gigabyte die but that was a long time ago now.

so not sure if they are a decent maker?

Yes they are.

But does reliability really matter much with these
very cheap fanless video cards ?

"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as
the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no exhaust,
are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

I can't see that the ventilation is relevant given that
the ones with fans just circulate the air within the case.

En el artículo , Chris French
escribió:

Though PCI graphics cards are pretty ancient now

They were popular at one time for adding a second monitor to an AGP-
based system.

, didn't AGP supersede
them in the late '90's

Yes

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On 02/02/2015 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one
as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h

dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no
exhaust, are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

I can't see that the ventilation is relevant given that
the ones with fans just circulate the air within the case.

Not all - some have an exhaust.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 02/02/2015 21:15, Chris French wrote:
In message , RJH writes
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one
as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h

dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no
exhaust, are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

Well yes all these things depend.

But FWIW, I've got 3 pc's here, one in largish tower case, one in a
midi tower, one in small low profile case as an HTPC - all with passive
graphics cards and just cooled by the PSU and CPU fans and natural
ventilation. All three seem to have been operating fine for a number of
years

Yes, same here when I used to use/build PCs. But they can chuck out a
lot of heat, and a case not designed to cope could cause problems. Given
the OP has experienced 2 failures . . .

--
Cheers, Rob

On 02/02/2015 20:38, RJH wrote:
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one as
the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h
dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

Did the OP clarify whether they meant legacy PCI or PCIe?

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no exhaust,
are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

Depends how fancy and power hungry the graphics card is. If the thing
has insane parallel processing 3D texture rendering then it will
probably cook itself but a basic fast 2D card is no sweat. Even the
built in 4000 engine in the later Pentium 3770 etc isn't bad for 2D.
(in fact at 2D only it is faster than some really fancy gaming cards)

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
My dual head card has one DVI and one VGA output and I have
identical monitors on each head and can't tell the difference.

No surprise there.

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:39:08 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 02/02/2015 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one
as the motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use
it for gaming so just want a basic card which will do 'HD'
resolution. For Win 7. There seems to be a bewildering choice from
10 of quids to hundreds.
Would like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20
eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...89mhz-1gb-pci-
express-h

dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work
fine, cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there
are plenty of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no
exhaust, are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

I can't see that the ventilation is relevant given that the ones with
fans just circulate the air within the case.

Not all - some have an exhaust.

Indeed. I chose to use fanless graphics cards in all the desktop PCs
here...not worried about out and out performance. All the cases have two
large, slow, intake fans and one exhaust fan, all thermostatically
controlled. The PSU air path is separate again.


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On 03/02/2015 17:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
My dual head card has one DVI and one VGA output and I have
identical monitors on each head and can't tell the difference.

No surprise there.


I bet there is a difference if you run a 4k display.
If its a VGA there isn't going to be much.

"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 02/02/2015 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 02/02/2015 16:47, Chris French wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 02/02/2015 15:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The graphics card on the 'spare' desktop has died. Need a new one
as the
motherboard doesn't have a DVI output, only VGA. Don't use it for
gaming
so just want a basic card which will do 'HD' resolution. For Win 7.
There seems to be a bewildering choice from 10 of quids to hundreds.
Would
like a well made and reliable one, though.

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...-pci-express-h

dmi-low-profile-7X0V.html?src=3


Yeah I was going to suggest a Geforce 210 card

I've got a couple here running in a couple of desktop PC's, work fine,
cheap, quiet as no fan (some of them do have fans, but there are plenty
of passively cooled ones around).


Strikes me that fanless cards, and those that have a fan and no
exhaust, are not a good idea if the PC is not well ventilated?

I can't see that the ventilation is relevant given that
the ones with fans just circulate the air within the case.

Not all

Fraid so.

- some have an exhaust.

Most don’t.

Dennis@home wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

My dual head card has one DVI and one VGA output and I have
identical monitors on each head and can't tell the difference.

No surprise there.

I bet there is a difference if you run a 4k display.

You've just lost that bet, it is.

If its a VGA

It isn't.

there isn't going to be much.

In article . com,
"Dennis@home" writes:
On 03/02/2015 17:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
My dual head card has one DVI and one VGA output and I have
identical monitors on each head and can't tell the difference.

No surprise there.


I bet there is a difference if you run a 4k display.
If its a VGA there isn't going to be much.

The DAC for an analogue (VGA) output runs at 400MHz. People did
experiment with 500MHz in special applications, but it didn't help
and digital interfaces took over for higher resolutions anyway.

This can just about drive a 2k display (e.g. QXGA) if cables/connectors
etc are of the best possible quality. If you tried driving a 4k display
at full resolution, the horizontal resolution would actually only be
around 1k, but in practice the display would not be able to work out
the pixel clock rate, as it would way exceed the GPU's DAC rate, and
the VGA cable's bandwidth. (I doubt video drivers would allow such a
rate to be set when driving an analogue output.) If you drive the 4k
display at 2k resolution, it should interpolate to give you something
similar to a 2k (QXGA) resolution display.

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In article ,
Mike Tomlinson writes:
En el artículo , Martin Brown |||newspa
escribió:

I'd be inclined to use one from the same stable as whatever has just
died but these days you can have a powerful graphics card for ~ £20 eg

http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-gef...ress-hdmi-low-
profile-7X0V.html?src=3

OP said PCI, not PCI Express. Maybe he did mean PCIe but worth
checking.

If he really meant [parallel] PCI, I have a small pile of
Diamond S3 Virage PCI cards, which somehow got missed out
of a box of ancient PC cards which rent to recycling last
year. They will all be 15-20 years old.

Did have some even older ISA pus ones, but they did all
go to the tip.

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