Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr
to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after
deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money
in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely
installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

A bit like training up to be a HIP inspector then!
How difficult can it be to change a meter?
I notice they mention electricians.
I would have thought any electrician would only have to read the
instructions on the box once.
A rip off. Training for a non-job.

Smart meters are part of the smart grid.
What they are advertised to do at present is only a tiny part of their
(near) future function.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid

Weatherlawyer wrote

Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

Making quite a bit of money out of what they charge for the training.

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )

Can't see that with the when qualified wage.

Offered pay is £8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified)
which may be some 300/wk after deductions. If you
already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

No might about if.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot
of money in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

Yes.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay.

But that isn't what matters, it's the £28K to £35K when qualified that
matters.

Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will
eventually be completely installed won't they.

Of course.

Not what you might see as job security and then you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

Small part of the £28K to £35K.

On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:
Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?


You've already spotted it - cheap labour and questionable 'training'.

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

2020 is the plan, I think. So 20,000,000 homes, 10,000 'engineers', 2000
meters each. 2-4 years' work.


£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

I've worked for a couple of places that used ex-military. Might be a
combination of deferential, work ethic, reliable, and life kicked out of
them?


Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.



Bit like that energy certification thing to my eye, with all the
uncertainty that brought.


--
Cheers, Rob

Weatherlawyer wrote


Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.



A couple of years ago Driving instructors were being advertised in the
same way.

In article ,
"harryagain" writes:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr
to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after
deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money
in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely
installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

A bit like training up to be a HIP inspector then!

Yes, and I wouldn't bet a lot of money on smart metering as currently
proposed ever rolling out. The only reason the industry wants it is
so they can remotely cut off customers. You and Yours did a program
on it recently, and increasingly, people are realising the figures
don't add up, and the benefits as proposed are non-existant.

How difficult can it be to change a meter?
I notice they mention electricians.
I would have thought any electrician would only have to read the
instructions on the box once.

No real electrician would work for the rates they're paying, so they
have to find another way to get them installed.

A rip off. Training for a non-job.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 22/12/14 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A rip off. Training for a non-job.


I asked about a smart water meter with customer remote access - thought
it could be handy for detecting leaks during times of expected zero
consumption.

Not available in my area...

For gas and electric, I'll bolt my own readers on, meter compatibility
permitting.

Talking of which, there don't seem to be any Zwave meter readers (ie
stick on optical for a true reading) and all the current clamp types
require mains power!!!

On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:45:32 AM UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
Why is the primary target ex-military?

Possibly because ex-militaries come with training bursaries and lump sums to help them 'resettle'?

Owain

In message , at 10:22:52 on Mon, 22
Dec 2014, Tim Watts remarked:
On 22/12/14 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A rip off. Training for a non-job.


I asked about a smart water meter with customer remote access - thought
it could be handy for detecting leaks during times of expected zero
consumption.

I had a long chat with a chap who was replacing all the water meters in
my street, and he said that although our new one was dumb, they did have
some smart meters in the vicinity and that they were really great for
spotting leaks sat in the comfort of his van.

Not available in my area...

For gas and electric, I'll bolt my own readers on, meter compatibility
permitting.

Talking of which, there don't seem to be any Zwave meter readers (ie
stick on optical for a true reading) and all the current clamp types
require mains power!!!

I've got a clamp-on one that uses AAA cells. They last a lot longer than
the AA cells in the display unit - which need replacing after a couple
of months.
--
Roland Perry

On 22/12/14 11:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:22:52 on Mon, 22
Dec 2014, Tim Watts remarked:
On 22/12/14 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A rip off. Training for a non-job.


I asked about a smart water meter with customer remote access -
thought it could be handy for detecting leaks during times of expected
zero consumption.

I had a long chat with a chap who was replacing all the water meters in
my street, and he said that although our new one was dumb, they did have
some smart meters in the vicinity and that they were really great for
spotting leaks sat in the comfort of his van.

Not available in my area...

For gas and electric, I'll bolt my own readers on, meter compatibility
permitting.

Talking of which, there don't seem to be any Zwave meter readers (ie
stick on optical for a true reading) and all the current clamp types
require mains power!!!

I've got a clamp-on one that uses AAA cells. They last a lot longer than
the AA cells in the display unit - which need replacing after a couple
of months.

So have I - but I'm looking for a Zwave unit specifically

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:45:30 -0800, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJob.aspx?
JobID=12168082&aid=8058279&WT.mc_n=PSAHG10&jvs=e,a r,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is
£8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after
deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to
cover yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of
money in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be
completely installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security
and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

I followed the link and didn't see any mention of ex-forces or any mention
of £6.6k up front nor £8/hour.

It shows £20-30k salary with £28-35k when fully qualified.

It offers training, guaranteed work placement, but only an interview with
a prospective employer so no guarantee of a job at the end of the training
period.

So - no idea what is going on.

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

On 22/12/2014 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"harryagain" writes:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is £8/hr
to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after
deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of money
in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Because they might not know the going rates of pay and might well have a
lump sum to invest in training?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be completely
installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

A bit like training up to be a HIP inspector then!

Yes, and I wouldn't bet a lot of money on smart metering as currently
proposed ever rolling out. The only reason the industry wants it is
so they can remotely cut off customers. You and Yours did a program
on it recently, and increasingly, people are realising the figures
don't add up, and the benefits as proposed are non-existant.

I think being able to monitor your usage in realtime is effective at
shaving around 10% off your electricity bill if you are inclined to
investigate why the base load is high, but having a red light come on
when you happen use the kettle is pointless cosmetics. Most people will
not be anything like systematic enough to make these savings though.

My biggest gain was finding which devices had insane default standby
power consumption and then dealing with them using smart sockets. You
need one of the more sensitive plug to socket testers for this bit.

It works even better for our village hall where it prevents people
leaving heating, lights and the main hot water immersion on overnight.
The gain there is much more than the nominal 10% off the bill.

How difficult can it be to change a meter?
I notice they mention electricians.
I would have thought any electrician would only have to read the
instructions on the box once.

No real electrician would work for the rates they're paying, so they
have to find another way to get them installed.

A rip off. Training for a non-job.

"Training" for a tedious repetitive "job" with poor pay, no prospects
and little or no future. The electrical equivalent of a McJob.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.



--
mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote

Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

Making quite a bit of money out of what they charge for the training.

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )

Can't see that with the when qualified wage.

With the qualified wage you get m8 pounds per hour. You have to go to work and spend while out. Are you presuming that all expenses will be paid?
Or is that part of the £28K?

Offered pay is £8/hr to start (28 to 35K when qualified)
which may be some 300/wk after deductions. If you
already have a car and enough money in the bank to cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

No might about if.

What?

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better than
basic pay.

But that isn't what matters, it's the £28K to £35K when qualified that
matters.

WTF are you talking about?

Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

Not what you might see as job security and then you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

Small part of the £28K to £35K.

Are you Martin Brown?

On Monday, 22 December 2014 10:57:57 UTC, wrote:
On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:45:32 AM UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
Why is the primary target ex-military?

Possibly because ex-militaries come with training bursaries and lump sums to help them 'resettle'?

Did you read what that nutter above had to say about them?

Some dimwits on here.

On Monday, 22 December 2014 19:42:15 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Got a link?

On 22/12/2014 20:28, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 22 December 2014 19:42:15 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Got a link?



Why do need a link? It would be illegal for someone to work on your gas
meter for reward unless they are gas safe registered. Having replaced a
gas meter would they not also have to certify the safety of the 'new'
installation.

I assume you may also be unhappy for an unqualified and unregistered
person to enter your property to first disconnect your incoming mains
electricity and then connect it back up in a haphazard way

--
mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 22/12/14 23:08, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 20:28, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 22 December 2014 19:42:15 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6
thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Got a link?



Why do need a link? It would be illegal for someone to work on your gas
meter for reward unless they are gas safe registered. Having replaced a
gas meter would they not also have to certify the safety of the 'new'
installation.

I assume you may also be unhappy for an unqualified and unregistered
person to enter your property to first disconnect your incoming mains
electricity and then connect it back up in a haphazard way


Does a meter fitter have to be GasSafe registered? It's not a dumb
question because I'm pretty sure electric meter fitters are not NICEIC
etch registered.

alan_m wrote
Weatherlawyer wrote
alan_m wrote
Weatherlawyer wrote

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6 thousand
unusable quid qualification.

But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Got a link?

Why do need a link? It would be illegal for someone to work on your gas
meter for reward unless they are gas safe registered. Having replaced a
gas meter would they not also have to certify the safety of the 'new'
installation.

I assume you may also be unhappy for an unqualified and unregistered
person to enter your property to first disconnect your incoming mains
electricity and then connect it back up in a haphazard way

Doesn’t mean that he is a FULLY QUALIFIED electrician,
just one that is qualified to change the meter.

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 22/12/2014 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"harryagain" writes:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
Reeds are advertising this all over the country:
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...0&jvs=e,ar,t,1

Any idea what is going on?

£6.6 thousand will take at least 2 years to pay back. )ffered pay is
£8/hr
to start (28 to 35K when qualified) which may be some 300/wk after
deductions. If you already have a car and enough money in the bank to
cover
yourself through the first year you might get along OK.

It seems to me that the companies concerned are going to make a lot of
money
in the first few weeks and steadily wind down thereafter.

£8 an hour is not that great an income is it just a few quid better
than
basic pay. Why is the primary target ex-military?

Because they might not know the going rates of pay and might well have a
lump sum to invest in training?

Talking of which the intrusive smart meters will eventually be
completely
installed won't they. Not what you might see as job security and then
you
have a 6.6 thousand unusable quid qualification.

A bit like training up to be a HIP inspector then!

Yes, and I wouldn't bet a lot of money on smart metering as currently
proposed ever rolling out. The only reason the industry wants it is
so they can remotely cut off customers. You and Yours did a program
on it recently, and increasingly, people are realising the figures
don't add up, and the benefits as proposed are non-existant.

I think being able to monitor your usage in realtime is effective at
shaving around 10% off your electricity bill if you are inclined to
investigate why the base load is high, but having a red light come on when
you happen use the kettle is pointless cosmetics. Most people will not be
anything like systematic enough to make these savings though.

My biggest gain was finding which devices had insane default standby power
consumption and then dealing with them using smart sockets. You need one
of the more sensitive plug to socket testers for this bit.

It works even better for our village hall where it prevents people leaving
heating, lights and the main hot water immersion on overnight.


surely the solution there is to fit it with a timer

tim

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote



Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

then you saw a different ad to the one that is at the end of the link you
posted

tim

On 23/12/2014 09:56, tim..... wrote:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote



Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

then you saw a different ad to the one that is at the end of the link
you posted

+1

And the training costs(?) were not on the link I saw either.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
On 22/12/14 23:08, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 20:28, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 22 December 2014 19:42:15 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6
thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Exceedingly unlikely.
Anyone who is gas safe registered or a fully qualified electrician will
have gone and found another job.

Got a link?



Why do need a link? It would be illegal for someone to work on your gas
meter for reward unless they are gas safe registered. Having replaced a
gas meter would they not also have to certify the safety of the 'new'
installation.

I assume you may also be unhappy for an unqualified and unregistered
person to enter your property to first disconnect your incoming mains
electricity and then connect it back up in a haphazard way


Does a meter fitter have to be GasSafe registered? It's not a dumb

No.
Transco refused to register all their staff some years ago, and
government had to let that through, because otherwise there
would have been no one available to do emergency work on the
gas network or meters.

question because I'm pretty sure electric meter fitters are not NICEIC
etch registered.

No they aren't. They are trained to do exactly one thing, and that
thing only. They are not allowed to touch anything else.

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"F" wrote in message
o.uk...

On 23/12/2014 09:56, tim..... wrote:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote



Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

then you saw a different ad to the one that is at the end of the link
you posted

+1

And the training costs(?) were not on the link I saw either.

If the "Apply For This Job" route is followed (you'd need to be registered)
then you eventually get redirected to the Recruiter's site. There you find
an application form, part of which:
qPlease confirm you are aware that this is not a job, it is a training
course which has a guaranteed work placement and an interview with a
prospective employer that can lead to full time employment.
Yes
* Please confirm that you are aware that the cost of this course is £6,594
which would be the best investment that you could possibly make if you are
serious about getting a new career within a booming industry.
/q
Prior to the redirect, but after clicking the apply button are ads
exclaiming: "EX- Military? - Become a Dual Fuel smart metering engineer!"

HTH
:

On 23/12/14 10:08, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts writes:

Does a meter fitter have to be GasSafe registered? It's not a dumb

No.
Transco refused to register all their staff some years ago, and
government had to let that through, because otherwise there
would have been no one available to do emergency work on the
gas network or meters.

I suspected not.

In effect, Transco are the scheme WRT their own fitters. One would hope
the company running the gas network was able to train and assess their
own staff.


question because I'm pretty sure electric meter fitters are not NICEIC
etch registered.

No they aren't. They are trained to do exactly one thing, and that
thing only. They are not allowed to touch anything else.


Apart from opening a CU to check you bothered to put the L/N the right
way around

On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28:13 AM UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
No they aren't. They are trained to do exactly one thing, and that
thing only. They are not allowed to touch anything else.
Apart from opening a CU to check you bothered to put the L/N the right
way around

No, they plug a tester into a socket to check polarity. which is making a whole lot of assumptions of course.

Owain

On 22/12/2014 23:08, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 20:28, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 22 December 2014 19:42:15 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2014 06:45, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Not what you might see as job security and then you have a 6.6
thousand unusable quid qualification.


But you will be gas safe registered and a fully qualified electrician.

Got a link?



Why do need a link? It would be illegal for someone to work on your gas
meter for reward unless they are gas safe registered. Having replaced a
gas meter would they not also have to certify the safety of the 'new'
installation.

They did a pressure drop test before and after replacing my gas meter.



I assume you may also be unhappy for an unqualified and unregistered
person to enter your property to first disconnect your incoming mains
electricity and then connect it back up in a haphazard way

On 23/12/14 10:32, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28:13 AM UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
No they aren't. They are trained to do exactly one thing, and that
thing only. They are not allowed to touch anything else.
Apart from opening a CU to check you bothered to put the L/N the right
way around

No, they plug a tester into a socket to check polarity. which is making a whole lot of assumptions of course.

Owain


On mine they actually looked at the CU. Perhaps because I'd told them I
needed the cutout fuse pulled so I could install a new CU.

On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 12:41:35 PM UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
On mine they actually looked at the CU. Perhaps because I'd told them I
needed the cutout fuse pulled so I could install a new CU.

Mine changed the meter with the live tail dangling, without pulling the fuse.

I didn't tell him it was a nice easy smooth pull :-)

Owain

In article ,
Martin Brown writes:
On 22/12/2014 10:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Yes, and I wouldn't bet a lot of money on smart metering as currently
proposed ever rolling out. The only reason the industry wants it is
so they can remotely cut off customers. You and Yours did a program
on it recently, and increasingly, people are realising the figures
don't add up, and the benefits as proposed are non-existant.

I think being able to monitor your usage in realtime is effective at
shaving around 10% off your electricity bill if you are inclined to
investigate why the base load is high, but having a red light come on
when you happen use the kettle is pointless cosmetics. Most people will
not be anything like systematic enough to make these savings though.

Monitoring of the guinea pigs has shown that this effect lasts only
about 2-3 weeks. Then it reverses, and as people see how cheap a kettle
boiling or washing machine run is, some become less concerned about
energy use than they were beforehand.

However, none of this requires smart metering - DIY power usage meters
have been commonplace for ~10 years, and given away by many electricity
companies. Giving one to every home would be much cheaper than smart
metering.

My biggest gain was finding which devices had insane default standby
power consumption and then dealing with them using smart sockets. You
need one of the more sensitive plug to socket testers for this bit.

Yes. Do check the consumption of the smart sockets - most consume
more than the standy power of TV's and other things people mistakenly
use them on. Set-top boxes tend to be bad in the UK, because they are
mostly country-specific, and we have no legislation requiring low
standby consumption, whereas TVs are sold into countries where such
legislation does exist, and we also benefit in that case.

It works even better for our village hall where it prevents people
leaving heating, lights and the main hot water immersion on overnight.
The gain there is much more than the nominal 10% off the bill.

I do that with home automation, and it's been extremely effective at
saving energy.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
"Richard" writes:
If the "Apply For This Job" route is followed (you'd need to be registered)
then you eventually get redirected to the Recruiter's site. There you find
an application form, part of which:
qPlease confirm you are aware that this is not a job, it is a training
course which has a guaranteed work placement and an interview with a
prospective employer that can lead to full time employment.
Yes
* Please confirm that you are aware that the cost of this course is £6,594
which would be the best investment that you could possibly make if you are
serious about getting a new career within a booming industry.
/q
Prior to the redirect, but after clicking the apply button are ads
exclaiming: "EX- Military? - Become a Dual Fuel smart metering engineer!"

That fee is completely off-the-wall for what's involved and the value
of the qualification.

Home energy assessors training rip-off, Mk II.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message , Richard
writes
"F" wrote in message
news:2cqdnf28tqwHowTJnZ2dnUVZ8sWdnZ2d@brightview. co.uk...

On 23/12/2014 09:56, tim..... wrote:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote



Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

then you saw a different ad to the one that is at the end of the link
you posted

+1

And the training costs(?) were not on the link I saw either.

If the "Apply For This Job" route is followed (you'd need to be
registered) then you eventually get redirected to the Recruiter's site.
There you find an application form, part of which:
qPlease confirm you are aware that this is not a job, it is a
training course which has a guaranteed work placement and an interview
with a prospective employer that can lead to full time employment.
Yes
* Please confirm that you are aware that the cost of this course is
£6,594 which would be the best investment that you could possibly make
if you are serious about getting a new career within a booming industry.
/q
Prior to the redirect, but after clicking the apply button are ads
exclaiming: "EX- Military? - Become a Dual Fuel smart metering
engineer!"

HTH
:
Do people coming out of the forces have a bag of cash with them and are
they desperate to get a job?
--
bert

"bert" ] wrote in message
...
In message , Richard
writes
"F" wrote in message
news:2cqdnf28tqwHowTJnZ2dnUVZ8sWdnZ2d@brightview .co.uk...

On 23/12/2014 09:56, tim..... wrote:

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 22 December 2014 07:44:00 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote



Why is the primary target ex-military?

Where are you getting that from ?

The advertisements for the job.

then you saw a different ad to the one that is at the end of the link
you posted

+1

And the training costs(?) were not on the link I saw either.

If the "Apply For This Job" route is followed (you'd need to be
registered) then you eventually get redirected to the Recruiter's site.
There you find an application form, part of which:
qPlease confirm you are aware that this is not a job, it is a training
course which has a guaranteed work placement and an interview with a
prospective employer that can lead to full time employment.
Yes
* Please confirm that you are aware that the cost of this course is £6,594
which would be the best investment that you could possibly make if you are
serious about getting a new career within a booming industry.
/q
Prior to the redirect, but after clicking the apply button are ads
exclaiming: "EX- Military? - Become a Dual Fuel smart metering engineer!"

HTH
:

Do people coming out of the forces have a bag of cash with them

Some do.

and are they desperate to get a job?

Some are.

In article ,
bert ] writes:
Do people coming out of the forces have a bag of cash with them and are
they desperate to get a job?

I booked myself on plastering and bricklaying courses many years ago.
The training centre was on the army grounds at Aldershot, and probably
over half the people doing the courses are still in the army, but
preparing to leave, so I assume the army paid for them as part of
their training to leave process. The centre did a full range of
building courses, each in various formats from just 2 day courses,
1 week courses, and full C&G.

That training centre has now closed, so I don't know what the current
situation is for the army. I have been to its replacement, and I didn't
see any army people there - it was all teenagers doing building trades
training (mostly standing around talking to each other).

--
Andrew

I signed in with Reed's agency to both learn more about the situation and to get future job vacancy notices. Now I keep getting emails offering me meter installation contracts of one sort or another.

If you signed up to learn more about this crap, are you too getting the same problem?