Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You have absolutely no idea if his is letting
no water in at all until after the wash phase.

"On a rinse cycle it seems to work okay",
so water is added later, just like mine.

But that could well be just because the solenoid
has been used more by then and so some of the
scaling has been dislodged.

I've taken the solenoid out and examined it. No scale.

You didn't take his out and examine it.

But given that later in the cycle his machine let rinse water
in, I suspect we can conclude it's not a blocked valve.

You're wrong. It may well not let enough in in the wash phase
and the repeated use of it sees more let thru in the later rinses.

In message , at 09:42:56 on Sat, 20
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
You have absolutely no idea if his is letting
no water in at all until after the wash phase.

"On a rinse cycle it seems to work okay", so water is added
later, just like mine.

But that could well be just because the solenoid
has been used more by then and so some of the
scaling has been dislodged.

I've taken the solenoid out and examined it. No scale.

You didn't take his out and examine it.

But given that later in the cycle his machine let rinse water in, I
suspect we can conclude it's not a blocked valve.

You're wrong. It may well not let enough in in the wash phase

It lets none in - have you forgotten so soon that I've observed the flow
in the transparent pipes in the side of the washer.

and the repeated use of it sees more let thru in the later rinses.

First use (wash) no flow. Second use (first rinse) full flow.

That doesn't match your diagnosis.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You have absolutely no idea if his is letting
no water in at all until after the wash phase.

"On a rinse cycle it seems to work okay",
so water is added later, just like mine.

But that could well be just because the solenoid
has been used more by then and so some of the
scaling has been dislodged.

I've taken the solenoid out and examined it. No scale.

You didn't take his out and examine it.

But given that later in the cycle his machine let rinse water
in, I suspect we can conclude it's not a blocked valve.

You're wrong. It may well not let enough in in the wash phase

It lets none in

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

- have you forgotten so soon that I've observed the
flow in the transparent pipes in the side of the washer.

I never believed you on that, and that's not HIS DISHWASHER anyway.

and the repeated use of it sees more let thru in the later rinses.

First use (wash) no flow.

I never believed you on that, and that's not HIS DISHWASHER anyway.

Second use (first rinse) full flow.

You don't know that about his dishwasher either.

That doesn't match your diagnosis.

You can't even manage to work out which dishwasher is being discussed.

In message , at 06:59:47 on Sun, 21
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit are rare enough not to
show up in Internet searches, so that people can give the dishwasher-DIY
equivalent of the massively unhelpful "have you tried turning it on" and
"why don't you re-install Windows) are exactly the same as mine.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit
are rare enough not to show up in Internet searches,

That is a lie.

so that people can give the dishwasher-DIY equivalent of the
massively unhelpful "have you tried turning it on" and "why
don't you re-install Windows) are exactly the same as mine.

You don't know that last either.

And we do know that NO ONE world wide has
EVER seen what you claim to have seen when
a Bosch dishwasher detects water in the chassis.

EVERYONE has in fact said that in that situation
Bosch dishwashers pump the sump to the outlet
all the time even with the door open which is
exactly what makes sense if a leak is detected
and so you will have to pardon us if we don't
believe that you have a ****ing clue what your
dishwasher is actually doing, let alone his that
you have never actually seen.

In message , at 06:01:08 on Mon, 22
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit are rare enough not to
show up in Internet searches,

That is a lie.

If you are admitting that you told a lie when saying:

And we do know that NO ONE world wide has EVER seen what you claim to
have seen when a Bosch dishwasher detects water in the chassis.

Why keep repeating it?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit are
rare enough not to show up in Internet searches,

That is a lie.

If you are admitting that you told a lie when saying:

And we do know that NO ONE world wide has
EVER seen what you claim to have seen when
a Bosch dishwasher detects water in the chassis.

Nope. I said that either you lied thru your teeth,
or you are such a terminal ****wit that you can't
even work out if the ONLY dishwasher you can
actually look at is actually so badly designed
that it deliberately does the entire wash phase
with JUST the stagnant dregs that could have
been in the sump for weeks and then does
ALL the rinses as normal, even when it detects
a leak into the chassis.

I admitted to nothing, you pathetic
excuse for a lying bull**** artist/troll.

Why keep repeating it?

Because everyone can see for themselves that
you are either a terminal ****wit, or a pathetic
excuse for a bull**** artist, or a pathetic excuse
for a troll.

In message , at 21:20:01 on Mon, 22
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit are rare enough not
to show up in Internet searches,

That is a lie.

If you are admitting that you told a lie when saying:

And we do know that NO ONE world wide has EVER seen what you claim
to have seen when a Bosch dishwasher detects water in the chassis.

Nope. I said that either you lied thru your teeth,

I never do that

a pathetic excuse for a troll.

Psychologists call that "morroring"
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You don't know that that is true with HIS DISHWASHER.

His reported symptoms (which you freely admit
are rare enough not to show up in Internet searches,

That is a lie.

If you are admitting that you told a lie when saying:

And we do know that NO ONE world wide has EVER seen what you claim
to have seen when a Bosch dishwasher detects water in the chassis.

Nope. I said that either you lied thru your teeth,

I never do that

Corse if you did, you would say that.

a pathetic excuse for a troll.

Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

In message , at 06:45:24 on Tue, 23
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".

Still a bare faced lie.

In message , at 06:30:45 on Wed, 24
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".

Still a bare faced lie.

No, it's fact; but a bit off topic.

As it's Xmas, you can have the last word, as long as it's not
derogatory.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".

Still a bare faced lie.

No, it's fact;

Nope, it's a bare face lie.

but a bit off topic.

Nope.

As it's Xmas,

Another lie.

you can have the last word,

No I can't.

as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

In message , at 07:06:19 on Thu, 25
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".

Still a bare faced lie.

No, it's fact;

Nope, it's a bare face lie.
but a bit off topic.

Nope.
As it's Xmas,

Another lie.
you can have the last word,

No I can't.
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 07:06:19 on Thu, 25 Dec
2014, Rod Speed remarked:
Psychologists call that "morroring"

Another bare faced lie.

A typo; should have said "mirroring".

Still a bare faced lie.

No, it's fact;

Nope, it's a bare face lie.
but a bit off topic.

Nope.
As it's Xmas,

Another lie.
you can have the last word,

No I can't.
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.

Nope.

In message , at 07:48:53 on Thu, 25
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

you can have the last word,
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.

Nope.

Is "**** you" non-derogatory?
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 07:48:53 on Thu, 25 Dec
2014, Rod Speed remarked:

you can have the last word,
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.

Nope.

Is "**** you" non-derogatory?

Corse it is, it's a simple instruction, stupid.

And even if it was derogatory,
that doesn't mean I lose anyway.

In message , at 07:09:12 on Sat, 27
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
you can have the last word,
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.

Nope.

Is "**** you" non-derogatory?

Corse it is, it's a simple instruction, stupid.

That explains a lot.

And even if it was derogatory,
that doesn't mean I lose anyway.

It does, because you were given an opportunity to 'stop digging', and
threw it away.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 07:09:12 on Sat, 27 Dec
2014, Rod Speed remarked:
you can have the last word,
as long as it's not derogatory.

**** you |-)

Oh dear. You lose.

Nope.

Is "**** you" non-derogatory?

Corse it is, it's a simple instruction, stupid.

That explains a lot.

And even if it was derogatory,
that doesn't mean I lose anyway.

It does,

Wrong, as always.

because you were given an opportunity to 'stop digging',

You're the only one who ever dug any hole for yourself.

and threw it away.

Another bare faced lie.

In message , at 06:06:13 on Sun, 28
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

you were given an opportunity to 'stop digging',

You're the only one who ever dug any hole for yourself.

In your dreams.

and threw it away.

Another bare faced lie.

But you did.

Why not have another try - reply in a conciliatory fashion.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

you were given an opportunity to 'stop digging',

You're the only one who ever dug any hole for yourself.

In your dreams.

You're the one with pathetic little drug crazed
hallucinations of any Bosch dishwasher ever
doing the entire wash phase with just the
fetid dregs left in the sump when it detects
a leak and then doing the rinse phases
normally even tho its detected a leak.

and threw it away.

Another bare faced lie.

But you did.

Nope, nothing was thrown away.

Why not have another try

No point, it would be more
profitable to do it with a stone.

- reply in a conciliatory fashion.

No point, you have clearly been
mindlessly trolling all along.

In message , at 08:48:29 on Sun, 28
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

you have clearly been mindlessly trolling all along.

Except I haven't. Although it's been a useful learning experience that
certain posters use exaggerated language which leads others such as
myself to think they are being critical. But then they [you] admit it's
in effect just routine banter.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

you have clearly been mindlessly trolling all along.

Except I haven't.

Easy to claim.

How odd that JUST YOU has ever actually claimed
to have seen a Bosch dishwasher mindlessly do the
entire wash phase with the fetid dregs left in the
sump and then go on to do all the rinse phases as
per normal when it has detected a leak into the
chassis and EVERYONE ELSE world wide has seen
every Bosch dishwasher do what makes a lot more
sense when a leak is detected, keep pumping
the sump to the outlet even with the door open.

reams of your pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it belongs

In message , at 07:33:11 on Tue, 30
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
How odd that JUST YOU has ever actually claimed to have seen a Bosch
dishwasher mindlessly do the entire wash phase with the fetid dregs
left in the sump and then go on to do all the rinse phases as per
normal when it has detected a leak into the chassis and EVERYONE ELSE
world wide has seen every Bosch dishwasher do what makes a lot more
sense when a leak is detected, keep pumping
the sump to the outlet even with the door open.

When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent fault, then
many odd things might happen.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

How odd that JUST YOU has ever actually claimed to have seen
a Bosch dishwasher mindlessly do the entire wash phase with the
fetid dregs left in the sump and then go on to do all the rinse phases
as per normal when it has detected a leak into the chassis and EVERYONE
ELSE world wide has seen every Bosch dishwasher do what makes a lot
more sense when a leak is detected, keep pumping the sump to the
outlet even with the door open.

When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent
fault, then many odd things might happen.

If that was the problem, you would have seen variable symptoms.

In fact you claimed that what you saw was completely reproducible.

That doesn't happen with an intermittent fault.

In message , at 21:34:07 on Tue, 30
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent fault,
then many odd things might happen.

If that was the problem, you would have seen variable symptoms.
In fact you claimed that what you saw was completely reproducible.
That doesn't happen with an intermittent fault.

It was completely reproducible until I emptied the 'flood detecting'
cavity in the chassis. After that it started working.

What I should do is go back and see whether there's any water in that
cavity now. But rolling around on the kitchen floor (to get access to
the built-in washer) during the Xmas holidays is not very high up my
priority list.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent
fault, then many odd things might happen.

If that was the problem, you would have seen variable symptoms.
In fact you claimed that what you saw was completely reproducible.
That doesn't happen with an intermittent fault.

It was completely reproducible until I emptied the 'flood detecting'
cavity in the chassis. After that it started working.

So it clearly ISN'T an intermittent fault.

In message , at 06:21:34 on Wed, 31
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:
When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent fault,
then many odd things might happen.

If that was the problem, you would have seen variable symptoms.
In fact you claimed that what you saw was completely reproducible.
That doesn't happen with an intermittent fault.

It was completely reproducible until I emptied the 'flood detecting'
cavity in the chassis. After that it started working.

So it clearly ISN'T an intermittent fault.

Did you miss my posting earlier today which said it happened again
recently?
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 06:21:34 on Wed, 31 Dec
2014, Rod Speed remarked:
When you consider that the dishwasher has an intermittent fault,
then many odd things might happen.

If that was the problem, you would have seen variable symptoms.
In fact you claimed that what you saw was completely reproducible.
That doesn't happen with an intermittent fault.

It was completely reproducible until I emptied the 'flood detecting'
cavity in the chassis. After that it started working.

So it clearly ISN'T an intermittent fault.

Did you miss my posting earlier today which said it happened again
recently?

Not visible on my news server or groups.google either.

You are just trolling, again.

In message , at 07:49:42 on Wed, 31
Dec 2014, Rod Speed remarked:

Did you miss my posting earlier today which said it happened again
recently?

Not visible on my news server or groups.google either.

I don't know where that earlier posting ended up, but what I said was
that the fault had re-occurred a couple of days ago, just once, but not
again since then.

[With the family home for Xmas we run the washer about twice a day].
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Did you miss my posting earlier today
which said it happened again recently?

Not visible on my news server or groups.google either.

I don't know where that earlier posting ended up,
but what I said was that the fault had re-occurred a
couple of days ago, just once, but not again since then.

Not very surprising if it is a leak to the chassis,
that sort of thing can come and go like that.

[With the family home for Xmas we run the washer about twice a day].