Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

TIA

Chris

wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and could
do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or
cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the standard
offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I
could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out
where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data (i'm
a long way off "All you can eat").



Get the 'Navfree' app.
It's free and like a satnav you don't need wifi and it doesn't use data.

Works well when you get the hang of it. It will probably pay to have a play
before you use it in combat.
You can pay for extra's e.g.., Stephen Fry doing the talking or speed
cameras etc.

mark

On 23/07/2014 14:15, mark wrote:
wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and could
do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or
cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the standard
offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I
could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out
where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data (i'm
a long way off "All you can eat").



Get the 'Navfree' app.
It's free and like a satnav you don't need wifi and it doesn't use data.

Works well when you get the hang of it. It will probably pay to have a play
before you use it in combat.
You can pay for extra's e.g.., Stephen Fry doing the talking or speed
cameras etc.


I've got the TomTom app on my iphone 4S. Works quite well, and doesn't
use data as far as I know - the maps are preloaded.


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"RJH" wrote in message
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On 23/07/2014 14:15, mark wrote:
wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could
do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or
cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the
standard
offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I
could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work
out
where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data
(i'm
a long way off "All you can eat").



Get the 'Navfree' app.
It's free and like a satnav you don't need wifi and it doesn't use data.

Works well when you get the hang of it. It will probably pay to have a
play
before you use it in combat.
You can pay for extra's e.g.., Stephen Fry doing the talking or speed
cameras etc.


I've got the TomTom app on my iphone 4S. Works quite well, and doesn't use
data as far as I know - the maps are preloaded.

But the price is outrageous. I have a tomtom that I used before getting
the iphone and did like the user interface, particularly the waypoints.

But now much prefer google maps on the iphone.

And while it does use data, it would take a hell of a long time
to pay the outrageous cost of the tomtom app on the iphone.
I normally get each navigation for just 5c quite literally, paying
5c/MB for the data, 1M minimum charge.

On 23/07/2014 22:25, Rod Speed wrote:


And while it does use data, it would take a hell of a long time
to pay the outrageous cost of the tomtom app on the iphone.
I normally get each navigation for just 5c quite literally, paying
5c/MB for the data, 1M minimum charge.

In my experience, many of the Satnav applications that require a mobile
data connection as they start up can be a PITA in rural UK where the
phone coverage may not be too hot. Even some of the Apps where the maps
can pre-downloaded still require a connection back to home to be able to
use them. If only navigating on main highways and built up areas this
may not be a problem.




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On 23/07/2014 23:17, alan_m wrote:
On 23/07/2014 22:25, Rod Speed wrote:


And while it does use data, it would take a hell of a long time
to pay the outrageous cost of the tomtom app on the iphone.
I normally get each navigation for just 5c quite literally, paying
5c/MB for the data, 1M minimum charge.


Have a look at the prices for the in-app bolt-ons. £4 for a Homer voice ;-)

In my experience, many of the Satnav applications that require a mobile
data connection as they start up can be a PITA in rural UK where the
phone coverage may not be too hot. Even some of the Apps where the maps
can pre-downloaded still require a connection back to home to be able to
use them. If only navigating on main highways and built up areas this
may not be a problem.


Quite so, and while the £30 (or so) is quite a hit, I've found it
worthwhile.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

TIA

Try playing with the satnavs in PC World, and find out whose interface
you prefer. Most of them do a few versions that will work on most makes
of mobile phones including Apples, and as the maps are all preloaded,
they use no data while you're travelling, unless you've got traffic
warnings enabled.

Or try the Apple equivalent of Google Maps, I only use about 3 to 5
megabytes of data per day using GM on Android on a big screen, and a lot
of that's the traffic information.

--
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John.

On 23/07/14 14:58, John Williamson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I
presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

TIA

Try playing with the satnavs in PC World, and find out whose interface
you prefer. Most of them do a few versions that will work on most makes
of mobile phones including Apples, and as the maps are all preloaded,
they use no data while you're travelling, unless you've got traffic
warnings enabled.

I've found the best satnav on Android is CoPilot. Do they do a version
for iPhone?


Or try the Apple equivalent of Google Maps,

Stop swearing...

On 23/07/14 17:33, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 14:58, John Williamson wrote:

I've found the best satnav on Android is CoPilot. Do they do a version
for iPhone?

Seems they do:

http://copilotgps.com/uk/

On 23/07/14 17:34, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 17:33, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 14:58, John Williamson wrote:

I've found the best satnav on Android is CoPilot. Do they do a version
for iPhone?

Seems they do:

http://copilotgps.com/uk/

Not free - but £20 for the UK is not breaking the bank - and you get
updates painlessly and fairly regularly. It's a *lot* less faff than the
Garmin nuvi I used to own that really required some buggering about to
do updates.

There's a speedcamera database too (think that's free) and a "live
traffic" thingy for jams (not free)

On 23/07/2014 17:37, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 17:34, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 17:33, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 14:58, John Williamson wrote:

I've found the best satnav on Android is CoPilot. Do they do a version
for iPhone?

Seems they do:

http://copilotgps.com/uk/

Not free - but £20 for the UK is not breaking the bank - and you get
updates painlessly and fairly regularly. It's a *lot* less faff than the
Garmin nuvi I used to own that really required some buggering about to
do updates.

There's a speedcamera database too (think that's free) and a "live
traffic" thingy for jams (not free)

I have had some bad experiences with CoPilot but it is difficult to know
where to point my finger. Some of them could have been a dodgy GPS on a
Nokia phone.

I don't mind paying but, between partner and me, we have iPad, iPhone,
Android phone, Android tablet an Windows phone. We only have one vehicle
and partner doesn't drive (at present). I am unwilling to pay for
something that like CoPilot where I might need three different versions
and each is costed separately.

I'd rather use the same basic software on each of them because it makes
life easier all round.

At present we end up using Waze quite a bit because it is so similar on
the three platforms (but burns battery power on the Windows phone).
Non-downloadedness is a big negative but mostly we manage OK.

I think, if they offered a suitable deal, I might choose Nokia Here.

--
Rod

On 23/07/2014 17:33, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/07/14 14:58, John Williamson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I
presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

TIA

Try playing with the satnavs in PC World, and find out whose interface
you prefer. Most of them do a few versions that will work on most makes
of mobile phones including Apples, and as the maps are all preloaded,
they use no data while you're travelling, unless you've got traffic
warnings enabled.

I've found the best satnav on Android is CoPilot. Do they do a version
for iPhone?

I would argue that Sygic is better, for a start it is much easier to
store the maps on a memory card.

With regard to the OP, I suspect that most of the power is needed to
power the screen, and would be the same regardless of what GPS app is
being used.

I run my Android phone from a cigarette lighter socket with high output
charger. The last car I hired had two such sockets. It turned out that
only one of them was 12v.


--
Michael Chare

On 23/07/14 22:26, Michael Chare wrote:

I would argue that Sygic is better, for a start it is much easier to
store the maps on a memory card.

I started with Sygic but switched to CoPilot and found it better. That
may of course be no longer true (2 years or so later).

/With regard to the OP, I suspect that most of the power is needed to
power the screen, and would be the same regardless of what GPS app is
being used. /q

The OP was asking about data usage not battery usage......

Jim K

On 23/07/2014 22:39, JimK wrote:
/With regard to the OP, I suspect that most of the power is needed to
power the screen, and would be the same regardless of what GPS app is
being used. /q

The OP was asking about data usage not battery usage......

Jim K


Quite right! If he just wants an app for the UK then Copilot which
stores the maps on the phone is free.


--
Michael Chare

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a
free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the
standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use
them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just
had to work out where it was and where it was going, I presume that would
use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

TIA

Try playing with the satnavs in PC World, and find out whose interface you
prefer. Most of them do a few versions that will work on most makes of
mobile phones including Apples, and as the maps are all preloaded, they
use no data while you're travelling, unless you've got traffic warnings
enabled.

Or try the Apple equivalent of Google Maps,

Main downside with that is that you can't tell it where to go using Siri.
Siri
uses the apple mapper by default and you can't tell it to use something
else.

Voice commands arent great tho, there are just so many different street
names that Siri doesn't have anything like as much success as it does
with dialing phone numbers from your contacts by voice commands.

I wanted it to go to Waugh St in a country town in the wilds of Australia
and the damned thing kept giving me directions to the New York stock
exchange even when I was in a town on the other side of the world and
named the town as well as the street in the Go To command.

Someone should put a bomb under the fool that programmed that.

I only use about 3 to 5 megabytes of data per day using GM on Android on a
big screen, and a lot of that's the traffic information.

Yeah, I don't see that the data is any big deal unless
you are paying some outrageous data rate like 25c/KB
that you can get when roaming internationally.

On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
Hi All,

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").


Don't forget you could use wi-fi to download in advance rather than a
mobile data connection.

I use TomTom (not free - £30(ish)) on a mobile phone where all the UK
map is stored on the SD card and it doesn't require a mobile connection
- apart from phoning home once every 100 starts or once per month (which
can be via wi-fi)

Watch out for apps that do require a mobile connection to constantly
update the map OR to just start the app itself. If in unfamiliar
territory you may be in a black spot for mobile connections.

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wrote:

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going

Google Maps on Android will let you cache quite a large map area over
WiFi (e.g. the rough rectangle that includes Watford, Brentwood,
Dartford & Hounslow) maybe the iThing version of Google Maps lets you do
the same?

Beware that it purges unused maps after 30 days.

Andy Burns wrote
wrote

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going

Google Maps on Android will let you cache quite a large map
area over WiFi (e.g. the rough rectangle that includes Watford,
Brentwood, Dartford & Hounslow) maybe the iThing version
of Google Maps lets you do the same?

Yes it does.

Only real downside on the iphone is that you can't
get Siri to use it to navigate with a voice command.

Beware that it purges unused maps after 30 days.

wrote

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon
and could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion.
Is there a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of
data usage than the standard offering from Apple (Which I
presume downloads maps as you use them, if I could use an
app where preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work
out where it was and where it was going, I presume that
would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can eat").

The free google maps for the iphone does now allow offline maps.

I don't normally bother tho, it cost so little in data that
it isnt worth farting around. I pay for the data at 5c/MB.

On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I
presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can
eat").

Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp standards, but much
better than the cheaper apps I've tried.

Jon

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:59:47 AM UTC+1, Jon Connell wrote:
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:

I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and

could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there

a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage

than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps

as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and

it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I

presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can

eat").



Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp standards, but much

better than the cheaper apps I've tried.



Jon

Thanks for all the replies guys.

Chris

"Jon Connell" wrote in message
...
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar territory soon and
could do with using the iphone (4) as a satnav on occasion. Is there
a free or cheap app which is more efficient in terms of data usage
than the standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads maps
as you use them, if I could use an app where preload Surrey maps and
it then just had to work out where it was and where it was going, I
presume that would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can
eat").

Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp standards, but much
better than the cheaper apps I've tried.

They are both worse than google maps which is free.

On 24/07/2014 10:38, Rod Speed wrote:


They are both worse than google maps which is free.


Personal preference. Having been let down by Google maps (or the way it
works) too often I've purchased an application, with life time map
updates, which works better for me and the types of situations where I
need Satnav most often.

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alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp standards,
but much better than the cheaper apps I've tried.

They are both worse than google maps which is free.

Personal preference.

Nope, fact.

Having been let down by Google maps (or the way it works) too
often I've purchased an application, with life time map updates,

More fool you.

which works better for me and the types
of situations where I need Satnav most often.

And which doesn't provide street view or anything
like that same quality of real time traffic info.

On 26/07/2014 11:11, Rod Speed wrote:


And which doesn't provide street view or anything like that same quality
of real time traffic info.

Why would you want a photo of a street to navigate in a car? Turn right
at that house with the colourful hanging baskets - oh it's winter. I
wonder if the road looks the same as the photo - when I can see beyond
the bus or truck in front of me. Hyped up features that are OK if you
just sitting at home in front of your computer.


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On 24/07/2014 10:38, Rod Speed wrote:
They are both worse than google maps which is free.

The OP asked for data-efficient navigation on an iPhone. Google Maps is
a data hog whereas CoPilot and TomTom are offline maps that will cost
nothing when roaming.

My datapoint for Google Maps being a data hog? 75 quid of roaming
charges for a single day with Google Maps for navigation in the US.

Jon

Jon Connell wrote
Rod Speed wrote

They are both worse than google maps which is free.

The OP asked for data-efficient navigation on an iPhone.

Like hell he did.

Google Maps is a data hog

Bull****. Most navigations cost me quite literally
5c for the data, charged in 1MB chunks.

whereas CoPilot and TomTom are offline
maps that will cost nothing when roaming.

google maps has offline maps and they cost nothing when
you download them using your wifi before you leave.

My datapoint for Google Maps being a data hog? 75 quid of roaming
charges for a single day with Google Maps for navigation in the US.

You were too stupid to use an operation that has sensible
data charges or the free wifi that is very common indeed.
http://www.lycamobile.us/en/

In article , Jon Connell
wrote:
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar
territory soon and could do with using the iphone (4)
as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or cheap app
which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the
standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads
maps as you use them, if I could use an app where
preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out
where it was and where it was going, I presume that
would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can
eat").

Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp
standards, but much better than the cheaper apps I've
tried.

Jon
In the days before satnavs, I used a TomTom prog on my Psion
plus a Garmin GPS unit and managed to get around several
countries OK. Only real problems were in thick fog around
Madrid where there were new roads not showing on the screen.

No annoying voice prompts, but there seemed to be cables
everywhere!

I think CoPilot on the Psion had voice prompts.

John

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On 25/07/2014 11:59, JTM wrote:
In article , Jon Connell
wrote:
On 23/07/2014 13:46, wrote:
I may be doing a fiar bit of driving in unfamiliar
territory soon and could do with using the iphone (4)
as a satnav on occasion. Is there a free or cheap app
which is more efficient in terms of data usage than the
standard offering from Apple (Which I presume downloads
maps as you use them, if I could use an app where
preload Surrey maps and it then just had to work out
where it was and where it was going, I presume that
would use less data (i'm a long way off "All you can
eat").

Get CoPilot or TomTom. They're a bit pricey by iApp
standards, but much better than the cheaper apps I've
tried.

Jon
In the days before satnavs, I used a TomTom prog on my Psion
plus a Garmin GPS unit and managed to get around several
countries OK. Only real problems were in thick fog around
Madrid where there were new roads not showing on the screen.

No annoying voice prompts, but there seemed to be cables
everywhere!

I think CoPilot on the Psion had voice prompts.

John


Just received email from CoPilot offering a 10% discount.


--
Michael Chare

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