I've replaced some rafters with green oak ones,
i'm told i need 6 inch stainless steel nails
to attach them to the purlins
but cant find any in Hereford or on internet.

Any ideas where to get them?


These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...item23317e15a8

In message , george - dicegeorge
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These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...aterial_Nails_
Fixing_MJ&var=&hash=item23317e15a8

I've no idea whether they are suitable, but am intrigued by the way 50
appear to cost £7.50 but 100 cost £23. What have I missed?
--
Bill

In message , Bill
writes
In message , george - dicegeorge
writes
These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...ank-Nails-150m
m-x-4-50-Various-Quantities-/151154202024?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Nails_
Fixing_MJ&var=&hash=item23317e15a8

I've no idea whether they are suitable, but am intrigued by the way 50
appear to cost £7.50 but 100 cost £23. What have I missed?

10 = £2 (20p each)
20 = £4 (20p each)
30 = £6.50 (21,666p each)
50 = £7.50 (15p each)
100 = £23 (23p each)
Obviously, it's best to buy packs of 50.
[Possibly it's because of postal weight price breaks?]
--
Ian

"george - dicegeorge" wrote in message
...
I've replaced some rafters with green oak ones,
i'm told i need 6 inch stainless steel nails
to attach them to the purlins
but cant find any in Hereford or on internet.

Any ideas where to get them?


These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...item23317e15a8

You can get SS coach screws. Use them istead.

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well restrained.
Also not very strong.

It was only used years ago because they had nothing else and it was rot
resistant.

On 09/07/14 08:38, harryagain wrote:
"george - dicegeorge" wrote in message
...
I've replaced some rafters with green oak ones,
i'm told i need 6 inch stainless steel nails
to attach them to the purlins
but cant find any in Hereford or on internet.

Any ideas where to get them?


These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...item23317e15a8

You can get SS coach screws. Use them istead.

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well restrained.
Also not very strong.

It was only used years ago because they had nothing else and it was rot
resistant.


I was told that green oak is better than tanalised as thats what the
other rafters were made of.
And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if needed.
[g]

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:21:45 +0100, george - dicegeorge wrote:

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well
restrained.

I thought that's why things built of green oak used proper pegged
timber joints, so it could move.

And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if
needed.

Damn sight easier to undo screws than pull nails, especially big 6"
jobbies. Anyway see above shouldn't be a metal nail in sight, joints
and pegs.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:21:45 +0100, george - dicegeorge wrote:

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well
restrained.

I thought that's why things built of green oak used proper pegged
timber joints, so it could move.

And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if
needed.

Damn sight easier to undo screws than pull nails, especially big 6"
jobbies. Anyway see above shouldn't be a metal nail in sight, joints
and pegs.

Not if the screws are Turbo Ultra A2 stainless. Using these in Oak I
found they snap off if you attempt to undo.

Counter boring or 8mm hex head might be OK. Driving a soft 6" nail in
any sort of Oak is going to be a recipe for bad language:-)


--
Tim Lamb

On 09/07/2014 11:21, george - dicegeorge wrote:
On 09/07/14 08:38, harryagain wrote:
"george - dicegeorge" wrote in message
...
I've replaced some rafters with green oak ones,
i'm told i need 6 inch stainless steel nails
to attach them to the purlins
but cant find any in Hereford or on internet.

Any ideas where to get them?


These ones look too thin, or are they?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-...item23317e15a8


You can get SS coach screws. Use them istead.

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well
restrained.
Also not very strong.

It was only used years ago because they had nothing else and it was rot
resistant.


I was told that green oak is better than tanalised as thats what the
other rafters were made of.
And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if needed.
[g]

Not if they are annular ring nails, like the ones you linked to. They
are designed to be almost impossible to pull out of timber.

--
Colin Bignell

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:21:45 +0100, george - dicegeorge wrote:

Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well
restrained.

I thought that's why things built of green oak used proper pegged
timber joints, so it could move.

And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if
needed.

Damn sight easier to undo screws than pull nails, especially big 6"
jobbies. Anyway see above shouldn't be a metal nail in sight, joints
and pegs.

Not if the screws are Turbo Ultra A2 stainless. Using these in Oak I found
they snap off if you attempt to undo.

Counter boring or 8mm hex head might be OK. Driving a soft 6" nail in any
sort of Oak is going to be a recipe for bad language:-)

Green oak is very soft.
It is hard as iron almost when dried out.
You have to drill pilot holes even for nails in old oak.

the purlins which im attaching the new green oak rafters are very old oak, at least a hundred years old. Hve bought some stianless steel coach bolts as well as the nails. I will report back.
[George]
(PS using google groups as the newsgroup keeps failing at my ISP)

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:10:29 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:
"Tim Lamb" wrote in message

...

In message o.uk, Dave

Liquorice writes

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:21:45 +0100, george - dicegeorge wrote:



Green oak is bad news. It warps, splits and twists unlees well

restrained.



I thought that's why things built of green oak used proper pegged

timber joints, so it could move.



And to use nails not screws so that it can be taken apart later if

needed.



Damn sight easier to undo screws than pull nails, especially big 6"

jobbies. Anyway see above shouldn't be a metal nail in sight, joints

and pegs.



Not if the screws are Turbo Ultra A2 stainless. Using these in Oak I found

they snap off if you attempt to undo.



Counter boring or 8mm hex head might be OK. Driving a soft 6" nail in any

sort of Oak is going to be a recipe for bad language:-)



Green oak is very soft.

It is hard as iron almost when dried out.

You have to drill pilot holes even for nails in old oak.