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I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty
much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. -- Davey. |
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On Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:36:44 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. There's a provision in the Regulations for shavers and similar items to be used in bathrooms, which have 2 pin plugs suitable for shaver outlets. It should be a proper UK shaver plug though, not a Euro 2-pin. Owain |
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"Davey" wrote in message ... I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. A bathroom shaver socket has a transformer fitted and is isolated from the mains supply. This makes it next to impossible to get an electric shock. The bathroom socket can only supply a few watts This is why shavers and toothbrushes have a special plug, so only they can fit into the bathroom socket .. |
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I'm almost sure tht toothbrushes all come with the shaver plugs these days,
as do, um shavers. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Davey" wrote in message ... I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. -- Davey. |
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Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices
that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active wrote in message ... On Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:36:44 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote: But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. There's a provision in the Regulations for shavers and similar items to be used in bathrooms, which have 2 pin plugs suitable for shaver outlets. It should be a proper UK shaver plug though, not a Euro 2-pin. Owain |
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in
: I'm almost sure tht toothbrushes all come with the shaver plugs these days, as do, um shavers. Brian And they don't fit into European sockets so you need an adaptor on the continent |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:30:11 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote: "Davey" wrote in message ... I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, A bathroom shaver socket has a transformer fitted and is isolated from the mains supply. This makes it next to impossible to get an electric shock. The bathroom socket can only supply a few watts Most shaver sockets I see have sockets which will allow a variety of different shaped two pin plugs from overseas to fit, flat two pin, ,angled two pin . I doubt if all these plugs are just for toothbrushes and shavers The UK shaver plug has the same pin size and spacing as an old 2 pin 5 amp plug so if I so desired i would have no trouble plugging an ancient lamp from by Grans House which has been packed away for about 50 years. Equally I do know of a premises that still has a 2 pin 5 amp socket in place. A toothbrush could easily be plugged in. So your statement This is why shavers and toothbrushes have a special plug, so only they can fit into the bathroom socket is wrong. G.Harman |
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On 25/05/2014 10:30, Davey wrote:
But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? You can use an adapter, but can I suggest charging the toothbrush outside the bathroom. I certainly would not run an extension flex into the bathroom. |
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In article ,
Davey wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Tooth brushes like razors seem to always come with two pin 'shaver plugs. Essential when they were mains - but rather strange when they are re-chargeable. My shaver socket is only live when the bathroom lights are on. But even if it weren't, it's a silly place to re-charge a razor, etc. -- *I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , Davey
writes But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? A quick, cost effective answer would be to buy a manual one! No electrical worries, no need to buy batteries and can be used any where at any time. -- Bill |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:08:07 +0100
Bill wrote: In message , Davey writes But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? A quick, cost effective answer would be to buy a manual one! No electrical worries, no need to buy batteries and can be used any where at any time. No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. I keep a manual one for emergencies. -- Davey. |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:01:20 +0100
GB wrote: On 25/05/2014 10:30, Davey wrote: But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? You can use an adapter, but can I suggest charging the toothbrush outside the bathroom. I certainly would not run an extension flex into the bathroom. Nor would I. There is a convenient socket just outside the bathroom, which is perfect, but it's the principle that surprises me. But of course, it's a lot cheaper to just fit a simple fuse-less 2-pin plug rather than a spec. UK fused 3-pin one. As I mentioned, I do have several adaptors, but that's by luck, not design. What if I had none? Would the seller be required to give me one, and if not, why not? I purchased an appliance, in the UK, for use in a UK household, and it does not work as purchased. -- Davey. |
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On 25/05/2014 11:20, Davey wrote:
Nor would I. There is a convenient socket just outside the bathroom, which is perfect, but it's the principle that surprises me. But of course, it's a lot cheaper to just fit a simple fuse-less 2-pin plug rather than a spec. UK fused 3-pin one. As I mentioned, I do have several adaptors, but that's by luck, not design. What if I had none? Would the seller be required to give me one, and if not, why not? I purchased an appliance, in the UK, for use in a UK household, and it does not work as purchased. I don't know the law, but you can look up the regs as easily as anybody. You are just assuming that the regs say the plug supplied has to be a 3 pin one. |
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In article , Davey wrote:
Nor would I. There is a convenient socket just outside the bathroom, which is perfect, but it's the principle that surprises me. But of course, it's a lot cheaper to just fit a simple fuse-less 2-pin plug rather than a spec. UK fused 3-pin one. The charger is intended to be used in the bathroom, just like a shaver, so it must have a two-pin plug. Would you complain if a shaver had a two-pin plug (as they all do)? -- Richard |
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In message , Davey
writes . The same for my wife. I keep a manual one for emergencies. No comment................. -- Bill |
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In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote: In message , writes l Most shaver sockets I see have sockets which will allow a variety of different shaped two pin plugs from overseas to fit, flat two pin, ,angled two pin . I doubt if all these plugs are just for toothbrushes and shavers It depends what you mean by 'just for'. I think you'll find that all such bathroom outlets are labelled "For shavers only". The MK one I've got omits the "for" -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On 25/05/2014 11:01, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2014 10:30, Davey wrote: But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? You can use an adapter, but can I suggest charging the toothbrush outside the bathroom. I certainly would not run an extension flex into the bathroom. +1 -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 25/05/2014 11:16, Davey wrote:
No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. Glad to hear that your wife has lots of power and depth of cleaning! g I keep a manual one for emergencies. What does a manual wife look like? -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 25/05/2014 11:20, Davey wrote:
Nor would I. There is a convenient socket just outside the bathroom, which is perfect, but it's the principle that surprises me. But of course, it's a lot cheaper to just fit a simple fuse-less 2-pin plug rather than a spec. UK fused 3-pin one. As I mentioned, I do have several adaptors, but that's by luck, not design. What if I had none? Would the seller be required to give me one, and if not, why not? I purchased an appliance, in the UK, for use in a UK household, and it does not work as purchased. As others have said, the most likely use is in the bathroom, using a shaver socket. If if came fitted with a 13A 3-pin plug, you wouldn't be able to do that. But, the way it is, you *can* use it in a 13A socket outside the bathroom by using an adaptor - albeit not supplied with it. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:17:43 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
On 25/05/2014 11:16, Davey wrote: No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. Glad to hear that your wife has lots of power and depth of cleaning! g I keep a manual one for emergencies. What does a manual wife look like? Your hand. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org My posts (including this one) are my copyright and if @diy_forums on Twitter wish to tweet them they can pay me £30 a post *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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In message , Davey
writes On Sun, 25 May 2014 10:07:01 +0100 wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:30:11 +0100, "harryagain" wrote: "Davey" wrote in message ... I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, A bathroom shaver socket has a transformer fitted and is isolated from the mains supply. This makes it next to impossible to get an electric shock. The bathroom socket can only supply a few watts Most shaver sockets I see have sockets which will allow a variety of different shaped two pin plugs from overseas to fit, flat two pin, ,angled two pin . I doubt if all these plugs are just for toothbrushes and shavers The UK shaver plug has the same pin size and spacing as an old 2 pin 5 amp plug so if I so desired i would have no trouble plugging an ancient lamp from by Grans House which has been packed away for about 50 years. Equally I do know of a premises that still has a 2 pin 5 amp socket in place. A toothbrush could easily be plugged in. So your statement This is why shavers and toothbrushes have a special plug, so only they can fit into the bathroom socket is wrong. G.Harman But I don't have a bathroom shaver socket, so what am I supposed to do? Get a 3 pin - 2 pin adapter and charge your tooth brush outside the bathroom -- bert |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Davey wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Tooth brushes like razors seem to always come with two pin 'shaver plugs. Essential when they were mains - but rather strange when they are re-chargeable. My shaver socket is only live when the bathroom lights are on. But even if it weren't, it's a silly place to re-charge a razor, etc. In what way is it silly given that is where I use the said shaver and toothbrush. -- bert |
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On 25/05/2014 00:36, Davey wrote:
I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Buy a shaver adapter to plug into a 13A socket. Or cut the plug off and fit a new plug. They are fine on 240V mains. |
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On 25 May 2014 14:36:13 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:17:43 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: On 25/05/2014 11:16, Davey wrote: No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. Glad to hear that your wife has lots of power and depth of cleaning! g I keep a manual one for emergencies. What does a manual wife look like? Your hand. Certainly adds possibilities to "RTFM" -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:23:14 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , writes l Most shaver sockets I see have sockets which will allow a variety of different shaped two pin plugs from overseas to fit, flat two pin, ,angled two pin . I doubt if all these plugs are just for toothbrushes and shavers It depends what you mean by 'just for'. I think you'll find that all such bathroom outlets are labelled "For shavers only". Which is what they were developed for, it's probably too awkard to change the lettering or get type approval to account for the development of Electric toothbrushes which I wouldn't be too surprised were well on the way to be more more numerous than electric shavers as the whole family can usually use them. Any how my comment was about the the two pin plugs not the sockets which Harry was trying to suggest were special to Shavers and toothbrushes. Shavers and toothbrushes may be the last common use of round two pin plugs in the UK but the American flat two pin plug and the flat angled two pin plug used In Australasia/ China which these shaver units also take are still used for lots of things besides shavers and tooth brushes , It will be rare that a foreign user will bring such an appliance over and attempt to use it in a UK shaver socket, but I bet a US travel Iron has blown a few Hotel ones as the user has seen the possiblity of plugging in. G.Harman |
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bert ] wrote: Tooth brushes like razors seem to always come with two pin 'shaver plugs. Essential when they were mains - but rather strange when they are re-chargeable. My shaver socket is only live when the bathroom lights are on. But even if it weren't, it's a silly place to re-charge a razor, etc. In what way is it silly given that is where I use the said shaver and toothbrush. If it is mains operated. you have no choice but to power it from a special socket in the bathroom. If it is rechargeable, it can be plugged in somewhere rather safer. -- *I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 00:36:44 +0100, Davey
wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Two pin plugs have been normal for shavers and toothbrushes for as long as I can remember. Use an adapter, widely available. I have noticed that a lot of hotel bathrooms don't now have a shaver socket, I expect the thinking is that we all use rechargeable. personally I don't like rechargeable shavers, I expect 15-20 years out of a Philishave, and get it, batteries wouldn't last that long. I bought a Philishave for my son, the same model was twice the price in Argos compared to Boots next door, but it was a rechargeable one. I couldn't find a mains one, are they still made? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 25/05/2014 21:08, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 25/05/2014 01:16, wrote: There's a provision in the Regulations for shavers and similar items to be used in bathrooms, which have 2 pin plugs suitable for shaver outlets. It should be a proper UK shaver plug though, not a Euro 2-pin. And as a warning - our light-come-shaver-adapter died. I bought another, only to find it would only charge with the light on. Forcing me to waste 60W while charging at 2W :( I charged it elsewhere. Andy My bathroom light was like that, as supplied. So I re-engineered it to power the transformer from the incoming live rather than the switched live. Why don't you do the same? This *is* a DIY group! [I have put a warning label on the socket to the effect that it's live even when the light is switched off]. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 25/05/2014 18:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , bert ] wrote: Tooth brushes like razors seem to always come with two pin 'shaver plugs. Essential when they were mains - but rather strange when they are re-chargeable. My shaver socket is only live when the bathroom lights are on. But even if it weren't, it's a silly place to re-charge a razor, etc. In what way is it silly given that is where I use the said shaver and toothbrush. If it is mains operated. you have no choice but to power it from a special socket in the bathroom. If it is rechargeable, it can be plugged in somewhere rather safer. How much safer is a bedroom than a bathroom for charging? Do we have figures for deaths from shaver chargers in bathrooms and "other rooms" for comparison? I would not be at all surprised if the figures were both zero for almost any chosen year. It is very often more convenient to charge in the bathroom. -- Rod |
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On Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:36:44 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Are you unable to change a plug? If so, why would it be someone else's problem? NT |
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In article ,
Vir Campestris writes: On 25/05/2014 01:16, wrote: There's a provision in the Regulations for shavers and similar items to be used in bathrooms, which have 2 pin plugs suitable for shaver outlets. It should be a proper UK shaver plug though, not a Euro 2-pin. And as a warning - our light-come-shaver-adapter died. I bought another, only to find it would only charge with the light on. Forcing me to waste 60W while charging at 2W :( Those striplamps are horribly inefficient because they are single-coil vacuum bulbs, and significantly underrun. You can buy CFL retrofits (and possibly LED ones too). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Graham. wrote: personally I don't like rechargeable shavers, I expect 15-20 years out of a Philishave, and get it, batteries wouldn't last that long. Neither do the cutting heads. They can cost as much as a new shaver. -- *'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Roger Mills wrote: My bathroom light was like that, as supplied. So I re-engineered it to power the transformer from the incoming live rather than the switched live. Why don't you do the same? This *is* a DIY group! [I have put a warning label on the socket to the effect that it's live even when the light is switched off]. Many isolated shaver sockets actually have an internal switch so they are only powered when something is plugged in. I doubt one which is part of a light has the same - if it only worked when the light is on. So I'd need to be sure the transformer is happy being powered up 24/7 - and even then it will waste power unnecessarily. -- *Shin: a device for finding furniture in the dark * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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polygonum wrote: If it is mains operated. you have no choice but to power it from a special socket in the bathroom. If it is rechargeable, it can be plugged in somewhere rather safer. How much safer is a bedroom than a bathroom for charging? Do we have figures for deaths from shaver chargers in bathrooms and "other rooms" for comparison? I would not be at all surprised if the figures were both zero for almost any chosen year. It might be safer for the device being charged. Dropping it on a hard surface or into water, etc. It is very often more convenient to charge in the bathroom. Obviously depends on circumstances. I have other cordless devices which I'd normally use in the bathroom which don't have a two pin plug anyway. Like hair clippers. -- *Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Are you unable to change a plug? If so, why would it be someone else's problem? How do you change the plug on a wall wart? -- *Remember, no-one is listening until you fart.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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