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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) I find that in hotels, razor plugs are often a sloppy fit in shaver 240V sockets (possibly as a result of frequent use by heavy-handed customers), and tend to fall out. The fit in the 120V pair of holes is usually firmer (presumably because one has had much less wear and tear). that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. The only UK 13A 3-pin male to 2-hole female adapter that I've ever found to provide a really good fit for the plug of any razor I've had was supplied with a cheap Chinese amateur radio hand-held two-way radio (for its wide voltage range, wall wart charger, which has USA blades as pins). -- Ian |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , Roger Mills wrote: My bathroom light was like that, as supplied. So I re-engineered it to power the transformer from the incoming live rather than the switched live. Why don't you do the same? This *is* a DIY group! [I have put a warning label on the socket to the effect that it's live even when the light is switched off]. Many isolated shaver sockets actually have an internal switch so they are only powered when something is plugged in. I never saw one which wasn't switched by the socket shutters. I doubt one which is part of a light has the same - if it only worked when the light is on. Ones on lights may or may not have an isolating transformer. Only those with isolating transformers can be installed in rooms with a bath or shower. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: Many isolated shaver sockets actually have an internal switch so they are only powered when something is plugged in. I never saw one which wasn't switched by the socket shutters. I doubt one which is part of a light has the same - if it only worked when the light is on. Ones on lights may or may not have an isolating transformer. Only those with isolating transformers can be installed in rooms with a bath or shower. I was obviously referring to the type with a transformer in the part of my post you snipped. ;-) -- *I don't suffer from insanity -- I'm a carrier Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 11:25:29 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) I find that in hotels, razor plugs are often a sloppy fit in shaver 240V sockets (possibly as a result of frequent use by heavy-handed customers), and tend to fall out. The fit in the 120V pair of holes is usually firmer (presumably because one has had much less wear and tear). that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. The only UK 13A 3-pin male to 2-hole female adapter that I've ever found to provide a really good fit for the plug of any razor I've had was supplied with a cheap Chinese amateur radio hand-held two-way radio (for its wide voltage range, wall wart charger, which has USA blades as pins). I got this with my UV-5R https://flic.kr/p/nt8gci The supplied charger has euro pins https://flic.kr/p/nKrnQE But beware, the adapter has no fuse https://flic.kr/p/nMpmKg So plug it directly in to a 32A fused final circuit at your peril! I bet your adapter is likewise unused. It would be illegal to sell in the UK. PS I don't trust the S.M PSU either, it's plugged into an adapter fused at 3A just in case. Excellent value radio though. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 10:53:55 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Are you unable to change a plug? If so, why would it be someone else's problem? How do you change the plug on a wall wart? And even if it was a molded plug on a lead he would have been ill advised to change it. For starters it would invalidate the warrantee. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 25/05/2014 21:53, Roger Mills wrote:
My bathroom light was like that, as supplied. So I re-engineered it to power the transformer from the incoming live rather than the switched live. Why don't you do the same? This *is* a DIY group! [I have put a warning label on the socket to the effect that it's live even when the light is switched off]. Because it also buzzed when it was on :( I could of course have switched it elsewhere, outside the safe zones - but it was too much trouble. Andy |
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On 26/05/2014 21:14, Graham. wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2014 11:25:29 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) I find that in hotels, razor plugs are often a sloppy fit in shaver 240V sockets (possibly as a result of frequent use by heavy-handed customers), and tend to fall out. The fit in the 120V pair of holes is usually firmer (presumably because one has had much less wear and tear). that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. The only UK 13A 3-pin male to 2-hole female adapter that I've ever found to provide a really good fit for the plug of any razor I've had was supplied with a cheap Chinese amateur radio hand-held two-way radio (for its wide voltage range, wall wart charger, which has USA blades as pins). I got this with my UV-5R https://flic.kr/p/nt8gci The supplied charger has euro pins https://flic.kr/p/nKrnQE But beware, the adapter has no fuse https://flic.kr/p/nMpmKg So plug it directly in to a 32A fused final circuit at your peril! I bet your adapter is likewise unused. It would be illegal to sell in the UK. PS I don't trust the S.M PSU either, it's plugged into an adapter fused at 3A just in case. Excellent value radio though. This http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Elec.../sd2620/p60290 is a UK two pin adapter. It is not the same size as european two pin sockets/plugs. This http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EURO-EUROP...item2ed12d31fe is a converter for european two pin psus. They are fused. |
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On 25/05/2014 00:36, Davey wrote:
I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. Tesco wanted £35, Morrisons wanted £17.50 for the exact same model, so that's where we bought it. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. I have \oral-B also has only 2 pin, to be honest this is what you would expect them to fit as that is the only type of AC outlet in a bathroom. So they are being helpful. The fact you don't have a transformer isolated supply means you have to charge elsewhere, and supply your own adapter. -- UK SelfBuild: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/ |
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In message , Graham.
writes On Mon, 26 May 2014 11:25:29 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) I find that in hotels, razor plugs are often a sloppy fit in shaver 240V sockets (possibly as a result of frequent use by heavy-handed customers), and tend to fall out. The fit in the 120V pair of holes is usually firmer (presumably because one has had much less wear and tear). that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. The only UK 13A 3-pin male to 2-hole female adapter that I've ever found to provide a really good fit for the plug of any razor I've had was supplied with a cheap Chinese amateur radio hand-held two-way radio (for its wide voltage range, wall wart charger, which has USA blades as pins). I got this with my UV-5R https://flic.kr/p/nt8gci The supplied charger has euro pins https://flic.kr/p/nKrnQE But beware, the adapter has no fuse https://flic.kr/p/nMpmKg So plug it directly in to a 32A fused final circuit at your peril! I bet your adapter is likewise unused. It would be illegal to sell in the UK. PS I don't trust the S.M PSU either, it's plugged into an adapter fused at 3A just in case. Excellent value radio though. Mine's the UV-3R. The adapter's the same as yours, and as I said, the charger PSU has the USA blades (which the adapter will also take). I use it for both the radio charger and for my razor. As you say, there's no fuse, but in normal use, it usually gets plugged into a fused 4-way extension strip - so a 13A fuse is better than none. -- Ian |
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On Monday, May 26, 2014 10:53:55 AM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Are you unable to change a plug? If so, why would it be someone else's problem? How do you change the plug on a wall wart? All the oral b brushes I've seen have had a mains lead wth a plug on. NT |
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On Monday, May 26, 2014 9:38:29 PM UTC+1, Graham. wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2014 10:53:55 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , wrote: I just bought a new electric toothbrush, one of the Oral-B ones, pretty much universally available. But when unpacked, (after much fighting and cussing) it only has a 2-pin plug, which would be fine if we had one of those bathroom 120v transformer/sockets, but we don't. As it happens, I have lots of suitable 3pin-to-2pin adaptors. But is the supplier (Morrisons, who probably have no idea what they sell) not obliged to supply a UK-ready device? I think I saw something about this recently, but can't remember where, nor the outcome. Are you unable to change a plug? If so, why would it be someone else's problem? How do you change the plug on a wall wart? And even if it was a molded plug on a lead he would have been ill advised to change it. For starters it would invalidate the warrantee. I;ve never encountered anyone try to dodge a warranty claim by saying fitting a mains plug invalidates the warranty. If they did I'd be sending them an LBA. NT |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 12:22:39 +0100, Bill
wrote: In message , Davey writes . The same for my wife. I keep a manual one for emergencies. No comment................. Me neither, but it's tempting. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:23:14 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , writes l Most shaver sockets I see have sockets which will allow a variety of different shaped two pin plugs from overseas to fit, flat two pin, ,angled two pin . I doubt if all these plugs are just for toothbrushes and shavers It depends what you mean by 'just for'. I think you'll find that all such bathroom outlets are labelled "For shavers only". https://www.flickr.com/gp/g3zvt/cQ89kH -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 15:17:43 +0100
Roger Mills wrote: On 25/05/2014 11:16, Davey wrote: No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. Glad to hear that your wife has lots of power and depth of cleaning! g I keep a manual one for emergencies. What does a manual wife look like? Yeah, I realised the bad expression as soon as I had posted that, but reckoned that any attempt to explain it would only just dig me deeper and deeper, so I just let it go. -- Davey. |
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In message , polygonum
writes On 25/05/2014 18:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , bert ] wrote: Tooth brushes like razors seem to always come with two pin 'shaver plugs. Essential when they were mains - but rather strange when they are re-chargeable. My shaver socket is only live when the bathroom lights are on. But even if it weren't, it's a silly place to re-charge a razor, etc. In what way is it silly given that is where I use the said shaver and toothbrush. If it is mains operated. you have no choice but to power it from a special socket in the bathroom. If it is rechargeable, it can be plugged in somewhere rather safer. How much safer is a bedroom than a bathroom for charging? Do we have figures for deaths from shaver chargers in bathrooms and "other rooms" for comparison? I would not be at all surprised if the figures were both zero for almost any chosen year. It is very often more convenient to charge in the bathroom. Esp given that that is where yo are most likely to use said razor and toothbrush. -- bert |
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bert ] wrote: It is very often more convenient to charge in the bathroom. Esp given that that is where yo are most likely to use said razor and toothbrush. But it's not like they need charging every day. If they do, and it's convenient to use the shaver socket to charge them because that's where you use them, why not just get the mains version and save a load of money? -- *Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: But it's not like they need charging every day. If they do, and it's convenient to use the shaver socket to charge them because that's where you use them, why not just get the mains version and save a load of money? Do mains electric toothbrushes exist? Even mains shavers are pretty rare now, and only the bottom-end models. -- Richard |
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On 26/05/2014 10:36, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes and as far as I am aware, the voltage can legally be 230v. Most devices Isolating shaver sockets are typically 270V off-load, or at the very small load chargers use, and the appliances have to cope with that. (If you have a wide voltage range charger, you might want to plug it in to the 120V socket instead, if it fits or you have a safe adapter.) Might be a problem for some really dodgy US razor kit that is made down to a minimum price and will only be safe at under 150v and 60Hz. that run off these plugs are supposed to compensate. I have noticed, however that there do seem to be two varieties of this plug, one with slightly thinner pins. The UK shaver plug is not the same as the EU 2-pin plug. Most shaver sockets are designed to accept both in the 230V socket. Although for many of them that have the charger built into a thickened plug and designed primarily for the continental market not to keep the damn thing from falling out again when you remove your hand. You can buy continental socket adaptors to work with them or adaptors that take a two pin plug and turn it into a three pin. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:16:15 UTC+1, Davey wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:08:07 +0100 A quick, cost effective answer would be to buy a manual one! No electrical worries, no need to buy batteries and can be used any where at any time. No argument, but ever since starting to use en electric one, I have loved the extra power and depth of cleaning that it gives. The same for my wife. I keep a manual one for emergencies. You have an automatic and manual wife sounds likie two much trouble ;-) When my electric toothbrush runs out of power I continue to use it, but it just takes a little longer, I've found a 10-15min charge time is just enough for a 2min clean which is the 2nd option if I have the time. -- Davey. |
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On Wed, 28 May 2014 11:48:22 +0100
Martin Brown wrote: Might be a problem for some really dodgy US razor kit that is made down to a minimum price and will only be safe at under 150v and 60Hz. Until the batteries recently gave up, I was using a US 120v 50-60 Hz unit plugged into one of those travel adaptor transformers (outside the bathroom). It ran like that for more than three years, and was in use in the US before that. It is certainly not worth the hassle of trying to replace the battery in it, which is all that has failed. Ok for maybe 6 years of continuous use. -- Davey. |
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On Wed, 28 May 2014 04:23:44 -0700 (PDT)
whisky-dave wrote: You have an automatic and manual wife sounds likie two much trouble ;-) Not going into that subject ...... When my electric toothbrush runs out of power I continue to use it, but it just takes a little longer, I've found a 10-15min charge time is just enough for a 2min clean which is the 2nd option if I have the time. This one still works, but even left permanently plugged in, it slows down about half way through the two-minute period to a speed that doesn't do any good. It's a dead toothbrush, it is on its way to meet its maker. WEEE !! You are welcome to it, if you want it. It has, as already described up above, been replaced. -- Davey. |
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In article ,
Richard Tobin wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: But it's not like they need charging every day. If they do, and it's convenient to use the shaver socket to charge them because that's where you use them, why not just get the mains version and save a load of money? Do mains electric toothbrushes exist? Even mains shavers are pretty rare now, and only the bottom-end models. Well, mains electric drills could be considered 'bottom end' price wise - but still out perform any cordless. ;-) -- *Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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I had expected my toothbrush plug to fit in contenental hotel sockets but
the socket holes are either too small - or too widely spaced. What is the proper solution? |
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2, DerbyBorn wrote: I had expected my toothbrush plug to fit in contenental hotel sockets but the socket holes are either too small - or too widely spaced. What is the proper solution? as discussed earlier in the thread, plugs for 'shaver sockets' are not the same as continental 2 pin. You need a 'smiley' continental adapter like 2nd (pink adapter) and 3rd pics he https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h8k8vutc7...D7Th0HHPWIHTwa john -- John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. I used to have a handle on life, but it broke |
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How do you change the plug on a wall wart? And even if it was a molded plug on a lead he would have been ill advised to change it. For starters it would invalidate the warrantee. I believe the type of lead is not very easy to connect to a plug as the conductor is like tinsel and cotton (from an old razor experience) |
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DerbyBorn wrote: I believe the type of lead is not very easy to connect to a plug as the conductor is like tinsel and cotton (from an old razor experience) Use a ferrule. -- *If God had wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them on my knees Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Friday, May 30, 2014 8:57:17 AM UTC+1, DerbyBorn wrote:
How do you change the plug on a wall wart? And even if it was a molded plug on a lead he would have been ill advised to change it. For starters it would invalidate the warrantee. I believe the type of lead is not very easy to connect to a plug as the conductor is like tinsel and cotton (from an old razor experience) I've not come across that used in mains in a very long time. I dont see how it would be legal nowadays, a 13A fuse would never protect it. NT |
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On Friday, May 30, 2014 12:51:27 PM UTC+1, DerbyBorn wrote:
wrote in : On Friday, May 30, 2014 8:57:17 AM UTC+1, DerbyBorn wrote: How do you change the plug on a wall wart? And even if it was a molded plug on a lead he would have been ill advised to change it. For starters it would invalidate the warrantee. I believe the type of lead is not very easy to connect to a plug as the conductor is like tinsel and cotton (from an old razor experience) I've not come across that used in mains in a very long time. I dont see how it would be legal nowadays, a 13A fuse would never protect it. How does it achieve its flexibility - it must be a bit different to a normal flex. I am not going to look! http://www.affinitymed.com/news/2011/april.aspx NT |
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