Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

cheers,

cd

On 08/03/2014 01:13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

Not realistically... To serve any real purpose it needs to be a
continuous membrane under the tile battens.


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On 08/03/14 03:52, John Rumm wrote:
On 08/03/2014 01:13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

Not realistically... To serve any real purpose it needs to be a
continuous membrane under the tile battens.


Wot John said - there is no way to do it that has any meaning.

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??


No.

My roof has none, indeed one can see daylight from inside.
Brian

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 08/03/2014 01:13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

Not realistically... To serve any real purpose it needs to be a continuous
membrane under the tile battens.


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John.

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"harryagain" writes:

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

No.

I have done it from the outside a few times, and it's not
very difficult, but you do have to take the tiles off,
and at least temporarily release the battens from the
rafters (if you aren't also replacing the battens anyway).

I must get around to putting up the pictures of doing this.

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In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

What a very strange question. ;-)

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 08/03/2014 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

What a very strange question. ;-)

Well I suppose one could do it by leaving the tiles and battens in
place, and pulling the rafters off the underside ;-)


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Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or
the battens??

No.
The felt (sarking) is tight between the joists and battens, and the battens
are nailed through it.
If there was a small hole that you could get at from the loft, it's
/possible/ to bodge a temporary fix by using a tube of silicone and some
bits of polythene, but I wouldn't hold out much hope of it lasting long.

If the felt is knackered at the gutter end, it's possible to strip the
bottom 4 rows or tiles, remove 3 or 4 battens and apply a new length of
breathable felt before re-battening and re-siting the tiles, one man could
easily do this in a day from a ladder, and I have done it myself.

If it generally knackered all over, it may be time for a new roof

On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 14:22:17 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

On 08/03/2014 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

What a very strange question. ;-)

Well I suppose one could do it by leaving the tiles and battens in
place, and pulling the rafters off the underside ;-)

That'd work for someone who has long laces on his boots to save buying a
loft-ladder.
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Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

Brian Gaff wrote:
My roof has none, indeed one can see daylight from inside.
Brian

Old slate roofs didn't have sarking, most still don't

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 08/03/2014 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or the
battens??

What a very strange question. ;-)

Well I suppose one could do it by leaving the tiles and battens in
place, and pulling the rafters off the underside ;-)

True. I've got some paint which is good but coming adrift. How can I just
replace the primer - as that's what's failed? ;-)

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In article ,
Phil L wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
My roof has none, indeed one can see daylight from inside.
Brian

Old slate roofs didn't have sarking, most still don't

They do in Scotland. Or anywhere where you'd get extremes of weather.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 14:22:17 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

Well I suppose one could do it by leaving the tiles and battens in
place, and pulling the rafters off the underside ;-)

I think we're on the same wavelength. That's exactly the kind of wheeze I
had in mind. ;-)

On 08/03/2014 15:06, Phil L wrote:
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Hi all,

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or
the battens??

No.
The felt (sarking) is tight between the joists and battens, and the battens
are nailed through it.
If there was a small hole that you could get at from the loft, it's
/possible/ to bodge a temporary fix by using a tube of silicone and some
bits of polythene, but I wouldn't hold out much hope of it lasting long.

If the felt is knackered at the gutter end, it's possible to strip the
bottom 4 rows or tiles, remove 3 or 4 battens and apply a new length of
breathable felt before re-battening and re-siting the tiles, one man could
easily do this in a day from a ladder, and I have done it myself.

If it generally knackered all over, it may be time for a new roof

Or just accept that if the tiles are good, you can go without sarking as
used to the normal practice in many Victorian places...


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On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:39:03 PM UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 08/03/2014 15:06, Phil L wrote:
Cursitor Doom wrote:

Is there some way of replacing sarking in a roof from the inside and
without removing (or disturbing too much at any rate) the tiles? Or
the battens??

No.

If it generally knackered all over, it may be time for a new roof

Or just accept that if the tiles are good, you can go without sarking as
used to the normal practice in many Victorian places...

Quite. Torching is another option, but not one I ever want. Spray foam is an option to steer well clear of.


NT

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 09:48:55 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

My roof has none, indeed one can see daylight from inside.
Brian

The roofer who retiled and re-membraned my roof was adamant that it's the
felt that makes it weatherproof, not the tiles ....


I'm sure that there is quite a bit of truth in that. Although you'd expect a
fully tiled and sound roof would be weatherproof, as soon as wind becomes
involved rain or snow no longer only goes down hill and gets in unexpected
places. We've just (hopefully) cured a leak over our bedroom - newly tiled,
but in one place the roofer had got the overlap of the flashing and the
sarking the wrong way round. Absolutely fine even in torrential rain unless
there was a wind from a particular direction.

Andrew

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 09:48:55 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

My roof has none, indeed one can see daylight from inside.
Brian

The roofer who retiled and re-membraned my roof was adamant that it's the
felt that makes it weatherproof, not the tiles ....

Felt is a relatively new thing only used in the last sixty years or so.
We have previously had two thousand years without it.

It makes the roofspace more draught proof and provides a secondary barrier
if there are loose/missing tiles.
During construction, it enables the house to be made weatherproof at an
earlier stage in construction.

It can cause dampness/rot issues if not properly installed too.

On 10/03/14 16:27, Jethro_uk wrote:

Our roofer fitted a breathable membrane ... lets moisture out, but not
water in.


They all should now. Damn tough it is too... But it will rot where the
sun gets to it - so they often fit gutter trays or a layer of DPC along
the edges.