I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with
reasonable flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with
a hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has
had 8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after
trailer comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting
on the side of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I
would need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3")
screw top lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?

"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...

I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with reasonable
flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with a
hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock' connector
and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has had
8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after trailer
comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting on
the side of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I
would need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3")
screw top lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?


I have a diesel transfer pump made by Webasco that drops into a drum, has a
hose on it and runs off a car battery. I don't see any reason that it can't
pump water, I don't think that it uses the fuel as a lubricant as it also
pumps petrol. Cost about #30 at my local agri store.

Andrew

In article , Andrew Mawson
writes
"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...

I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

I have a diesel transfer pump made by Webasco that drops into a drum, has a
hose on it and runs off a car battery. I don't see any reason that it can't
pump water, I don't think that it uses the fuel as a lubricant as it also
pumps petrol. Cost about #30 at my local agri store.

And of course if the pump is submerged in the tank then there is no need
to have a low level outlet, making sealing easier, although having the
hose disconnect close to the top-side outlet will avoid any risk of it
syphoning itself out.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 21/01/2014 21:02, fred wrote:
In article , Andrew Mawson
writes

And of course if the pump is submerged in the tank then there is no need
to have a low level outlet, making sealing easier, although having the
hose disconnect close to the top-side outlet will avoid any risk of it
syphoning itself out.


Thought of 2 options for container
30L square barrel http://tinyurl.com/p7ztsgh

50L Keg http://tinyurl.com/nepwvey

Prefer having pump inside and plumbed in ... easier & neater for moving
around & in use.

In article , Rick Hughes
writes
On 21/01/2014 21:02, fred wrote:
In article , Andrew Mawson
writes

And of course if the pump is submerged in the tank then there is no need
to have a low level outlet, making sealing easier, although having the
hose disconnect close to the top-side outlet will avoid any risk of it
syphoning itself out.


Thought of 2 options for container
30L square barrel http://tinyurl.com/p7ztsgh

50L Keg http://tinyurl.com/nepwvey

Prefer having pump inside and plumbed in ... easier & neater for moving
around & in use.

Both have nice wide lids to drop a pump in but I don't know how big the
pump is likely to be or needs to be. Jerry can shape would seem to be
the most space efficient but only you know the shape of your boot space.
Of the two pictured, the 30litre appears more space efficient, being
squared.

Depending on the pump you may be able to fill it from the outlet too, in
situ, but it would make sense to have any vent connected to a small bore
pipe to act as an overflow.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 21/01/2014 21:27, fred wrote:

Both have nice wide lids to drop a pump in but I don't know how big the
pump is likely to be or needs to be. Jerry can shape would seem to be
the most space efficient but only you know the shape of your boot space.
Of the two pictured, the 30litre appears more space efficient, being
squared.

Depending on the pump you may be able to fill it from the outlet too, in
situ, but it would make sense to have any vent connected to a small bore
pipe to act as an overflow.


If I could find Jerry can with 'wide mouth' lid that would be prefered

Good thoughts - Ta

On 21/01/2014 21:27, fred wrote:
Both have nice wide lids to drop a pump in but I don't know how big the
pump is likely to be or needs to be. Jerry can shape would seem to be
the most space efficient but only you know the shape of your boot space.
Of the two pictured, the 30litre appears more space efficient, being
squared.

The pump need only be about an inch in diameter and four inches long.
Mine will do up to 200 litres/ minute, depending on the head, but can
safely be throttled back by a tap on the pipe. If you have a power point
in the car, such as a cigarette lighter, then connect it by running the
outlet pipe and cable through sealed holes in the container stopper,
using maybe an elbow type skin fitting to connect the hose. If there's
no power point, then you have the perfect excuse to buy a jump starter
from somewhere like Halfrauds or Maplin.

The 12 volt submersible pump I bought recently to pump out the bilge
cost about £25 from a chandler, and will leave about a quarter of an
inch of water in the container. The version that's rated for petrol is a
touch more expensive, but will work on diesel, petrol or water. If you
do it right, the total should be less than fifty quid.

Depending on the pump you may be able to fill it from the outlet too, in
situ, but it would make sense to have any vent connected to a small bore
pipe to act as an overflow.

The one I bought doesn't have a non return valve in it, so it will let
water flow through it in reverse from a tap. Just don't forget to leave
a vent hole somewhere on the container.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 21/01/2014 21:08, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 21/01/2014 21:02, fred wrote:
In article , Andrew Mawson
writes

And of course if the pump is submerged in the tank then there is no need
to have a low level outlet, making sealing easier, although having the
hose disconnect close to the top-side outlet will avoid any risk of it
syphoning itself out.


Thought of 2 options for container
30L square barrel http://tinyurl.com/p7ztsgh

50L Keg http://tinyurl.com/nepwvey

Prefer having pump inside and plumbed in ... easier & neater for moving
around & in use.

I do something like this using the 20 litre containers used for
industrial chemicals, with an eBay bilge pump running off a leisure
battery. But it's all dropped in a hole cut in the top: plumbed in would
be much better.

These are a bit pricey but look pretty convenient

http://www.nomad-direct.co.uk/index....ders/i_12.html

This is a bit cheaper

http://horseshower.co.uk/aqua2go_portable_28.html

Oddly enough I am looking to make or buy something similar myself (to
rinse out the drainage channels in the bottom of a horse lorry).

On 21/01/2014 21:28, newshound wrote:


These are a bit pricey but look pretty convenient

http://www.nomad-direct.co.uk/index....ders/i_12.html

This is a bit cheaper

http://horseshower.co.uk/aqua2go_portable_28.html

Oddly enough I am looking to make or buy something similar myself (to
rinse out the drainage channels in the bottom of a horse lorry).


Not seen those before, nice but £144 is more than £100 more than I want
to pay :-)

Rick Hughes was thinking very hard :
On 21/01/2014 21:02, fred wrote:
In article , Andrew Mawson
writes

And of course if the pump is submerged in the tank then there is no need
to have a low level outlet, making sealing easier, although having the
hose disconnect close to the top-side outlet will avoid any risk of it
syphoning itself out.


Thought of 2 options for container
30L square barrel http://tinyurl.com/p7ztsgh

50L Keg http://tinyurl.com/nepwvey

Prefer having pump inside and plumbed in ... easier & neater for moving
around & in use.

Again caravanners use a 30, 40, or 50L container to store water along
side the caravan, a container which is intended to be rolled rather
than carried.

Just fill it up, drop the pump in and away you go.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 22/01/2014 11:45, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Again caravanners use a 30, 40, or 50L container to store water along
side the caravan, a container which is intended to be rolled rather than
carried.

Just fill it up, drop the pump in and away you go.



Familiar with them, but want something self contained .. in back of car,
pump permanently inside container ... so I just have to plug hose into
front and away to go

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On 21/01/2014 20:28, Rick Hughes wrote:
I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with
reasonable flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with
a hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has
had 8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate
problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after
trailer comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting
on the side of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I
would need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3")
screw top lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?

Look at caravan accessories. Typical arrangement is a 5 gallon
container, with a submersible pump attached to a cap with an outlet for
a hose. The pumps are 12V and just plug into the caravan to supply taps
or showers. You can simply use the original cap while travelling.

eg. http://tinyurl.com/qc7ed9r

SteveW

On 21/01/2014 21:44, SteveW wrote:


Look at caravan accessories. Typical arrangement is a 5 gallon
container, with a submersible pump attached to a cap with an outlet for
a hose. The pumps are 12V and just plug into the caravan to supply taps
or showers. You can simply use the original cap while travelling.

eg. http://tinyurl.com/qc7ed9r

SteveW


Ta I'll go look .... I had thought of these originally, but assumed they
were not high low rates

On 21/01/2014 22:06, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 21/01/2014 21:44, SteveW wrote:


Look at caravan accessories. Typical arrangement is a 5 gallon
container, with a submersible pump attached to a cap with an outlet for
a hose. The pumps are 12V and just plug into the caravan to supply taps
or showers. You can simply use the original cap while travelling.

eg. http://tinyurl.com/qc7ed9r

SteveW


Ta I'll go look .... I had thought of these originally, but assumed they
were not high low rates

The one I linked to is a little over 200 gallons per hour according to
the manufacturer. I've not been caravanning for 30 years, but I well
remember how fast the level in a 5 gallon container could go down!

SteveW

SteveW wrote:

On 21/01/2014 22:06, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 21/01/2014 21:44, SteveW wrote:

Look at caravan accessories. Typical arrangement is a 5 gallon
container, with a submersible pump attached to a cap with an outlet for
a hose. The pumps are 12V and just plug into the caravan to supply taps
or showers. You can simply use the original cap while travelling.

eg. http://tinyurl.com/qc7ed9r

Ta I'll go look .... I had thought of these originally, but assumed they
were not high flow rates

The one I linked to is a little over 200 gallons per hour according to
the manufacturer. I've not been caravanning for 30 years, but I well
remember how fast the level in a 5 gallon container could go down!

Not bad flow in my experience, what we don't know is the
resistance of the trailer system.

If you want a beefier pump, Shurflo produce plenty with piped
inlet and outlet, and self-priming, so you could simply strap it
to the side of your container.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 22/01/2014 08:28, Chris J Dixon wrote:



If you want a beefier pump, Shurflo produce plenty with piped
inlet and outlet, and self-priming, so you could simply strap it
to the side of your container.



Looked at several of these on sale .. they have 2 pipes (presume one 12V
one water) going thru what looks like a square plastic cap ... and then
onto a whale plug.

The Plastic cap ... will it screw onto standard containers .. or do
they only fit Caravan 'specials'

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On 21/01/2014 20:28, Rick Hughes wrote:
snip
Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with
a hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

I take it your boat is too big for a combi?

snip

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?

So put it in the boat :P

Incidentally if your boat is of a reasonable size putting a container on
deck might supply enough height to flush the hubs through.

Andy

On 21/01/2014 23:12, Vir Campestris wrote:

Incidentally if your boat is of a reasonable size putting a container on
deck might supply enough height to flush the hubs through.

Andy


I think you missed the point ... :-)

You launch boat ... pull trailer up slipway to car park, and it is at
that location where I want to be able to flush trailer ... so boat not
there at that time.



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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 20:28:11 +0000, Rick Hughes
wrote:

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting
on the side of container.

Alternatively, container with water, hose & valve out the bottom, compressed air
in the top. Either headspace and a tire valve, or a tube to a spare tire -- just
like the windshield washer system on old Beetles...


Thomas Prufer

Thomas Prufer wrote:

Alternatively, container with water, hose & valve out the bottom, compressed air
in the top. Either headspace and a tire valve, or a tube to a spare tire -- just
like the windshield washer system on old Beetles...

That stirred a few memory cells. I don't think the handbook
included the vital bit of information that the connection from
the spare included a pressure reducing valve, which also stopped
you dropping the tyre pressure too low for road use. I spent some
time trying to work out what was wrong.

You had to remember to top up the tyre every few water fills.

I'm not sure it would be the solution for the OP, since he would
have to get a largish container which was OK for max tyre
pressure.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

on 21/01/2014, Rick Hughes supposed :
I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or similar
onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with reasonable
flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with a
hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock' connector
and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has had 8
Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after trailer
comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what pump
etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump inside
it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting on the side
of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I would
need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3") screw top
lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?

Caravanners use 12v submersible pumps. They drop into the container and
pump at quite a good flow rate. My own high capacity unit outputs at
close to mains pressure.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 22/01/2014 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 21/01/2014, Rick Hughes supposed :

Caravanners use 12v submersible pumps. They drop into the container and
pump at quite a good flow rate. My own high capacity unit outputs at
close to mains pressure.



I have looked at those (from post earlier) however they are £40 and
come with a square hook up plug (OK that could be cut off) .... whereas
an 1100gph bilge pump is £8

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Rick Hughes wrote:
I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with
reasonable flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with
a hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has
had 8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate
problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after
trailer comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting
on the side of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I
would need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3")
screw top lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?
Whale pumps for caravans.

"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with reasonable
flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with a
hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has had
8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after
trailer comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Initial thoughts are a 5 Litre plastic Jerry can, and fit a bilge pump
inside it ... outlet of bilge pump plumbed into some form of tap fitting
on the side of container.

Something like this .. http://tinyurl.com/p4ca42j

The issue is Bilge pumps are tyically like this:
http://tinyurl.com/okusacg

he 360 galls and Hr should give high flow rate - the problem is that I
would need to be able to get it into the container, and the small (~3")
screw top lid isn't going to allow that.

Anybody any suggestions for container (or pump)

Need it to be a self contained unit, and not a separate container, pump
etc.

It also has to be sealed while driving - so I don't flood the car.

Ideas ?

Agricultural backpack sprayer.
No electricity needed.
10 or 15 litre sizes available.

Various nozzles.

On 22/01/2014 19:51, harryagain wrote:
"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
I have a need to have a container of water, with a 'self contained pump'
running off 12V

Container would need have an outlet near base which could be a tap or
similar onto which I can connect a short length of garden hose ...

Need to be able to pump out a couple of gallons at a time with reasonable
flow & pressure ...

Use (for those interested) I have a boat trailer, and it is fitted with a
hub flush system ... you connect a hose to a quick-fit 'hoselock'
connector and flush freshwater through the hubs after submersion is
salt-water.

However in practise .. you launch boat, use it for 6-8 Hrs then recover,
drive home, and then get the opportunity to flush brakes .... Salt has had
8 Hrs to dry on parts, plus heat of braking may even exacerbate problem.

Thought is if I had a 5 gal container in back of car, running off 12V
accessory socket, I could give hubs a quick rinse immediately after
trailer comes out of teh salt water.

Just wanted to get the some ideas form you guys of what container, what
pump etc.

Agricultural backpack sprayer.
No electricity needed.
10 or 15 litre sizes available.

Various nozzles.


You did read the bit about it needing to have a standard hoselock
connection and a flow rate not too far short of a normal tap, didn't you?

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 22/01/2014 19:51, harryagain wrote:


Agricultural backpack sprayer.
No electricity needed.
10 or 15 litre sizes available.

Various nozzles.


This is probably aimed at High pressure Low flow ... what I need is High
Flow .. not worried about pressure ...as long as it is enough to get
through the hose.

Looking now at options of using WHALE pump as mentioned here, if I can
find a 2nd hand one £40 is too much



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