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Jim Hawkins December 16th 13 01:54 PM

Microsoft Word
 
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins




Adrian December 16th 13 01:58 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 +0000, Jim Hawkins wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get
the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Not legit, no. Each version is withdrawn from retail when the new one
comes out.

Have you looked at LibreOffice?

The Natural Philosopher[_2_] December 16th 13 02:59 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


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Cursitor Doom December 16th 13 03:46 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations.
Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld.

Muddymike[_2_] December 16th 13 03:53 PM

Microsoft Word
 


I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


Try Open Office, it's free and will save documents in Word format.
http://www.openoffice.us.com/

Mike


Adrian December 16th 13 03:56 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:53:16 +0000, Muddymike wrote:

Try Open Office, it's free and will save documents in Word format.
http://www.openoffice.us.com/


LibreOffice is OpenOffice. Or, rather, it was, before the Oracle and Sun
merger took OpenOffice in some unpopular directions.

quick google
Oh, that's interesting - I'd missed that Oracle had handed OpenOffice
over to Apache.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/applicati...enoffice-4-vs-
libreoffice-41-224280
gives an interesting overview. The conclusions comment on document
conversion from Word - but, as somebody already mentioned, even
converting between Word versions can be far flakier than going to either
of this pair...

Adrian December 16th 13 03:57 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:46:07 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old
versions of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations.
Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld.


LibreOffice and OpenOffice are both available for Windows and OSX, too...

John Rumm December 16th 13 03:58 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Not from MS no. Best option would be a family pack of office 2010 from ebay.

The MS offering they would like you to go for is Office 365, which will
cost you around £65/year as a rental deal. However you are allowed to
install 5 seats for that and get some other freebies thrown in like 25
gig of cloud storage.

Note that all the Office 2013 products also require a MS account of some
form to install them.



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dennis@home December 16th 13 05:16 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins




Buy office home and student, it includes word and is about £90.

Use one of the free offices.

GB December 16th 13 05:19 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?


The Natural Philosopher[_2_] December 16th 13 05:48 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/13 15:53, Muddymike wrote:


I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


Try Open Office, it's free and will save documents in Word format.
http://www.openoffice.us.com/

Mike

libre office is better.

And its nothing to do with Oracle.


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diminishing number of producers.


The Natural Philosopher[_2_] December 16th 13 05:49 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/13 17:19, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?

probably so he can read the files generated by other later copies of 'word'


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.


harryagain[_2_] December 16th 13 05:54 PM

Microsoft Word
 

"Muddymike" wrote in message
om...


I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


Try Open Office, it's free and will save documents in Word format.
http://www.openoffice.us.com/

Mike



Yep, it's good, does doc and docx
Almost identically laid out so easy to get the hang of if you're used to
Word.
A few less of the less used features 0f Word.



GB December 16th 13 05:56 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 17:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/12/13 17:19, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?

probably so he can read the files generated by other later copies of 'word'



My version of word can do that. Microsoft supply a free converter that
integrates into the 2003 version. It is seamless.

PeterC December 16th 13 06:08 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


v4.2 is due in the next month or two, but wait for 4.2.x as that usually
addresses the odd little problems found after release.
--
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whilst religions hold sway

polygonum December 16th 13 06:10 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 17:56, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2013 17:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/12/13 17:19, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?

probably so he can read the files generated by other later copies of
'word'



My version of word can do that. Microsoft supply a free converter that
integrates into the 2003 version. It is seamless.


Though Word 2013 is pretty nifty at converting PDFs into Word documents.

--
Rod

Davidm December 16th 13 06:27 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 -0000, "Jim Hawkins"
wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


"Find someone" who is a student, or teacher and buy Office 365 from
somewhere like here for £53:
http://www.software4students.co.uk/

misterroy December 16th 13 06:29 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:10:27 PM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 16/12/2013 17:56, GB wrote:

On 16/12/2013 17:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


On 16/12/13 17:19, GB wrote:


On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:


I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.


I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.


Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?




I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?




probably so he can read the files generated by other later copies of


'word'






My version of word can do that. Microsoft supply a free converter that


integrates into the 2003 version. It is seamless.




Though Word 2013 is pretty nifty at converting PDFs into Word documents.



--

Rod


I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, you will no longer know where anything is. My old 2003 documents are a bit garbled by the new Word.
Download one of the free ones, or stay with what you have got.

Capitol December 16th 13 06:34 PM

Microsoft Word
 


John Rumm wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Not from MS no. Best option would be a family pack of office 2010 from
ebay.

The MS offering they would like you to go for is Office 365, which will
cost you around £65/year as a rental deal. However you are allowed to
install 5 seats for that and get some other freebies thrown in like 25
gig of cloud storage.

Note that all the Office 2013 products also require a MS account of some
form to install them.




Or alternatively try your local car boot sale. I'm still running word
97, it is better for drawings than later versions IMO.

Jim Hawkins December 16th 13 06:37 PM

Microsoft Word
 

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?



Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to
use later versions that my 2003 one can't read.

Jim Hawkins




Adrian December 16th 13 06:41 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:37:10 +0000, Jim Hawkins wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still
get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?


Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to use later
versions that my 2003 one can't read.


Office Compatibility Pack
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/downl...ails.aspx?id=3

F[_2_] December 16th 13 06:55 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 18:27 Davidm wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 -0000, "Jim Hawkins"
wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


"Find someone" who is a student, or teacher and buy Office 365 from
somewhere like here for £53:
http://www.software4students.co.uk/


A grandchild can be useful in situations like this. If you don't have
one, can you 'borrow' one?

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F




GB December 16th 13 07:13 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 18:37, Jim Hawkins wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?



Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to
use later versions that my 2003 one can't read.


Have you installed the add-in to let you read/write docs from later
versions?




Part Timer December 16th 13 07:13 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


What's wrong with 2003 and the conversion pack (free) to open .docx
files from later versions? I hate the newer versions without the proper
menus.


GB December 16th 13 07:14 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 18:37, Jim Hawkins wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?



Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to
use later versions that my 2003 one can't read.

Jim Hawkins


See Adrian's post - he even gives you a link to the add-in. Helpful lot
round here. :)


Nightjar December 16th 13 07:49 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 18:29, misterroy wrote:
....
I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, you will no longer know where anything is....


It is a bit of a steep learning curve if you are thoroughly used to the
older versions, but I quite like the new layout, now I have got used to
it. Office 365 allows me to store documents in the cloud and work on
them equally well from home or at the office.

Colin Bignell


tim...... December 16th 13 07:57 PM

Microsoft Word
 

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations.


That's not actually true

One of the most "locked down" and expensive programs any giant corporation
ever releases required a unix box to run

The cost of software is a function of what people are willing to supply, not
the box that it runs on

tim






Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld.



John Rumm December 16th 13 08:47 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 18:37, Jim Hawkins wrote:
"GB" wrote in message
...
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'?



Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to
use later versions that my 2003 one can't read.


.... and one should also point out that office 2013 does not run on
anything older than Win 7

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Martin Brown December 16th 13 09:11 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.


Why? What essential features are you lacking or do you enjoy being
tormented by the ribbon? Office 2003 was a good vintage.

Office 2007 was a complete dog and best avoided. 2010 was bearable.

Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins


Only if you already have copies. You might well be better off buying
Office 2013 just to get Word there are better discounts. ITR having seen
it on Amazon recently for less than you have found for just Word.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

alan December 16th 13 09:23 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins





If you work for a large company that uses LOTS of copies of Microsoft
Office your company may have a deal with Microsoft. I got a legitimate
licences copy of 2013 Office for a few pence under £9 (for personal use
only).

http://www.microsofthup.com/hupuk/home.aspx
You may need the appropriate passwords/keywords from your place of work.

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Bob Eager[_3_] December 16th 13 09:25 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 +0000, Jim Hawkins wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get
the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Look at Kingsoft Office: free version and cheap upgrade if you want a bit
more.

http://www.kingsoftstore.co.uk/



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RJH[_2_] December 17th 13 12:48 AM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 17:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins




Buy office home and student, it includes word and is about £90.


Quite so - I paid £15 IIRC. But of course it helps if you're a student
or have a loose connection with education.

Use one of the free offices.


They're generally excellent. However, if you rely on it - and I do - the
freebies are too unreliable when converting MS products.
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Dave Plowman (News) December 17th 13 10:21 AM

Microsoft Word
 
In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?


Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations.
Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld.


Like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc? I'd be willing to bet there
are more free apps available for Windows than Linux. But I'll leave you to
do the counting.

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tony sayer December 17th 13 10:39 AM

Microsoft Word
 
In article , Bob Eager
scribeth thus
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 +0000, Jim Hawkins wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get
the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Look at Kingsoft Office: free version and cheap upgrade if you want a bit
more.

http://www.kingsoftstore.co.uk/



+1!
--
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John Rumm December 17th 13 10:43 AM

Microsoft Word
 
On 17/12/2013 00:48, RJH wrote:
On 16/12/2013 17:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins




Buy office home and student, it includes word and is about £90.


Quite so - I paid £15 IIRC. But of course it helps if you're a student
or have a loose connection with education.


The so called "home and student" versions don't usually do any checking
to see if you meet the terms. The academic or university versions
normally have to be bought in a two stage process with proof of student
status.



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Rick Hughes[_5_] December 17th 13 11:49 AM

Microsoft Word
 
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price.
Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?

Jim Hawkins



If you go on-line you can buy a student license for a LOT less, all you
have to do is tick box to confirm you are studying something - and
license does not expire.

Brian Gaff December 17th 13 12:10 PM

Microsoft Word
 
Yes Libra Office and Open Office by that mob called apache.
Both are now integrating their code so java Access bridge is not even
needed for blind use. I'll certainly be going that route I think as
Microsofts intention in the long term to make all their apps on line only is
putting me off having their stuff.
Brian

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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 +0000, Jim Hawkins wrote:

I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013.
I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get
the versions between 2003 and 2013 ?


Not legit, no. Each version is withdrawn from retail when the new one
comes out.

Have you looked at LibreOffice?




The Natural Philosopher[_2_] December 17th 13 12:23 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 17/12/13 10:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote:
Have you looked at LibreOffice?

Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions
of word do, for sure

http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was.


The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations.
Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld.


Like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc? I'd be willing to bet there
are more free apps available for Windows than Linux. But I'll leave you to
do the counting.

they just run BETTER on Linux ..


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.


Andrew Gabriel December 17th 13 01:52 PM

Microsoft Word
 
In article ,
"Brian Gaff" writes:
Yes Libra Office and Open Office by that mob called apache.
Both are now integrating their code so java Access bridge is not even
needed for blind use. I'll certainly be going that route I think as
Microsofts intention in the long term to make all their apps on line only is
putting me off having their stuff.


People (particularly businesses, which are most of the remaining
Windows users at this point in time) have got wise to being forced
to upgrade to each new release, and that severely dented Microsoft's
revenue stream. Switching to a pay-per-use model restores a more
predictable revenue stream, or so the theory goes. Quite a lot of
the businesses I've worked for over the years would never allow
things like document editing to be performed out in the cloud
(although they probably conveniently forget the thousands of
unprotected laptops they have floating around the world).

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The Natural Philosopher[_2_] December 17th 13 04:14 PM

Microsoft Word
 
On 17/12/13 13:52, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"Brian Gaff" writes:
Yes Libra Office and Open Office by that mob called apache.
Both are now integrating their code so java Access bridge is not even
needed for blind use. I'll certainly be going that route I think as
Microsofts intention in the long term to make all their apps on line only is
putting me off having their stuff.


People (particularly businesses, which are most of the remaining
Windows users at this point in time) have got wise to being forced
to upgrade to each new release, and that severely dented Microsoft's
revenue stream. Switching to a pay-per-use model restores a more
predictable revenue stream, or so the theory goes. Quite a lot of
the businesses I've worked for over the years would never allow
things like document editing to be performed out in the cloud
(although they probably conveniently forget the thousands of
unprotected laptops they have floating around the world).

Bavaria officially a windows free zone now...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12...ource_project/

I have visions of Movember equipped Austrian corporals muttering 'Ze NSA
can't see me as I type my master verk'...

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.



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