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On 17/12/2013 13:52, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , "Brian Gaff" writes: Yes Libra Office and Open Office by that mob called apache. Both are now integrating their code so java Access bridge is not even needed for blind use. I'll certainly be going that route I think as Microsofts intention in the long term to make all their apps on line only is putting me off having their stuff. People (particularly businesses, which are most of the remaining Windows users at this point in time) have got wise to being forced to upgrade to each new release, and that severely dented Microsoft's revenue stream. Switching to a pay-per-use model restores a more predictable revenue stream, or so the theory goes. Quite a lot of the businesses I've worked for over the years would never allow things like document editing to be performed out in the cloud (although they probably conveniently forget the thousands of unprotected laptops they have floating around the world). The editing does not take place in the cloud in, for example, the locally installed 365 product. Eminently provable by working offline! (Though precisely where things happen in the online apps, that is more difficult to fathom.) -- Rod |
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On 17/12/2013 12:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/12/13 10:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote: Have you looked at LibreOffice? Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions of word do, for sure http://www.libreoffice.org/download Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was. The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations. Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld. Like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc? I'd be willing to bet there are more free apps available for Windows than Linux. But I'll leave you to do the counting. they just run BETTER on Linux .. But that's only true of win 3.0. |
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On 17/12/13 20:21, dennis@home wrote:
On 17/12/2013 12:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 17/12/13 10:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote: Have you looked at LibreOffice? Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions of word do, for sure http://www.libreoffice.org/download Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was. The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations. Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld. Like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc? I'd be willing to bet there are more free apps available for Windows than Linux. But I'll leave you to do the counting. they just run BETTER on Linux .. But that's only true of win 3.0. no, all windows runs better on Linux! -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 16/12/2013 17:19, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'? Yes, I wondered the same thing. I think that 2003 is the last decent version before they started mucking about with the UI - and introduced these blasted ribbons instead of proper menus. [I *am* using 2007 - but I don't really like it]. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 16/12/2013 17:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/12/13 17:19, GB wrote: On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'? probably so he can read the files generated by other later copies of 'word' You can get a free converter - even though you wouldn't be able to write docx files. Although I'm using 2007, I always store my files in .doc rather than .docx format for backwards compatibility. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 16/12/2013 18:34, Capitol wrote:
John Rumm wrote: On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? Not from MS no. Best option would be a family pack of office 2010 from ebay. The MS offering they would like you to go for is Office 365, which will cost you around £65/year as a rental deal. However you are allowed to install 5 seats for that and get some other freebies thrown in like 25 gig of cloud storage. Note that all the Office 2013 products also require a MS account of some form to install them. Or alternatively try your local car boot sale. I'm still running word 97, it is better for drawings than later versions IMO. *And* far better for Clipart. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 16/12/2013 18:37, Jim Hawkins wrote:
wrote in message ... On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'? Only because other people I exchange documents with tend to use later versions that my 2003 one can't read. Jim Hawkins In that case, see the comments about the free converter which a couple of us have made. And people with later versions will still be able to read any of your files generated with 2003. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 16/12/2013 19:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 16/12/2013 18:29, misterroy wrote: ... I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, you will no longer know where anything is.... It is a bit of a steep learning curve if you are thoroughly used to the older versions, but I quite like the new layout, now I have got used to it. Office 365 allows me to store documents in the cloud and work on them equally well from home or at the office. Colin Bignell I'm totally amazed at people's willingness to store all their private stuff on somebody else's "cloud"! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 17/12/2013 23:13, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/12/2013 19:49, Nightjar wrote: On 16/12/2013 18:29, misterroy wrote: ... I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, you will no longer know where anything is.... It is a bit of a steep learning curve if you are thoroughly used to the older versions, but I quite like the new layout, now I have got used to it. Office 365 allows me to store documents in the cloud and work on them equally well from home or at the office. Colin Bignell I'm totally amazed at people's willingness to store all their private stuff on somebody else's "cloud"! I rather doubt anybody would find my invoicing and stock control spreadsheets interesting and they certainly would not find them to be of any use, except to run my very niche business. Colin Bignell |
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On 17/12/2013 23:13, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/12/2013 19:49, Nightjar wrote: On 16/12/2013 18:29, misterroy wrote: ... I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, you will no longer know where anything is.... It is a bit of a steep learning curve if you are thoroughly used to the older versions, but I quite like the new layout, now I have got used to it. Office 365 allows me to store documents in the cloud and work on them equally well from home or at the office. Colin Bignell I'm totally amazed at people's willingness to store all their private stuff on somebody else's "cloud"! But most people are willing to store all of their money in someone else's "bank". What is a bank if not a cloud store for cash. -- Chris |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 23:01:21 +0000, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/12/2013 17:19, GB wrote: On 16/12/2013 13:54, Jim Hawkins wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? I still use 2003. Out of interest, why do you want to 'upgrade'? Yes, I wondered the same thing. I think that 2003 is the last decent version before they started mucking about with the UI - and introduced these blasted ribbons instead of proper menus. [I *am* using 2007 - but I don't really like it]. Is that the one that was the equivalent of ME? Is it 2010 that's OK? I wouldn't dream of having 2013 but, if I did have to update, would go for 2010. The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 17/12/2013 23:04, Roger Mills wrote:
You can get a free converter - even though you wouldn't be able to write docx files. Actually, the free converter allows you both to read and write docx files. |
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:00 +0000, PeterC
wrote: The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. What are your concerns about LibreOffice? -- |
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:48:17 +0000, The Other Mike wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:00 +0000, PeterC wrote: The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. What are your concerns about LibreOffice? Just retaining complex formatting - it does mangle a rather fancy .doc table/form that also has loadsa BSA (bits stuck anywhere). -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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In article , PeterC
scribeth thus On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:48:17 +0000, The Other Mike wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:00 +0000, PeterC wrote: The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. What are your concerns about LibreOffice? Just retaining complex formatting - it does mangle a rather fancy .doc table/form that also has loadsa BSA (bits stuck anywhere). Give this one a try, its free this version. Used to have LO and OO on the wife's machine nowt but complaints but none since:)... http://www.kingsoftstore.co.uk/kings...-freeware.html -- Tony Sayer |
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On 18/12/2013 10:25, GB wrote:
On 17/12/2013 23:04, Roger Mills wrote: You can get a free converter - even though you wouldn't be able to write docx files. Actually, the free converter allows you both to read and write docx files. Fair enough - I stand corrected! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:22:45 +0000, tony sayer wrote:
In article , PeterC scribeth thus On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:48:17 +0000, The Other Mike wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:00 +0000, PeterC wrote: The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. What are your concerns about LibreOffice? Just retaining complex formatting - it does mangle a rather fancy .doc table/form that also has loadsa BSA (bits stuck anywhere). Give this one a try, its free this version. Used to have LO and OO on the wife's machine nowt but complaints but none since:)... http://www.kingsoftstore.co.uk/kings...-freeware.html I mentioned that near the top of the thread. Amazingly good. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org My posts (including this one) are my copyright and if @diy_forums on Twitter wish to tweet them they can pay me £30 a post *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 18/12/2013 08:36, news wrote:
On 17/12/2013 23:13, Roger Mills wrote: I'm totally amazed at people's willingness to store all their private stuff on somebody else's "cloud"! But most people are willing to store all of their money in someone else's "bank". What is a bank if not a cloud store for cash. Well, there is government protection for up to 85 grands worth of my money in each independent bank I use. Who will protect me against loss of data, or for the consequences of sensitive data getting into the 'wrong' hands? -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 18/12/2013 20:19, Roger Mills wrote:
On 18/12/2013 08:36, news wrote: On 17/12/2013 23:13, Roger Mills wrote: I'm totally amazed at people's willingness to store all their private stuff on somebody else's "cloud"! But most people are willing to store all of their money in someone else's "bank". What is a bank if not a cloud store for cash. Well, there is government protection for up to 85 grands worth of my money in each independent bank I use. Who will protect me against loss of data, That is what backups are for. The really important bits of my data are on two computers in entirely different locations and on a memory stick that I can hang around my neck. or for the consequences of sensitive data getting into the 'wrong' hands? IMO the cloud is like an email - never put anything in it that you don't mind sharing with the world. Colin Bignell |
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On 17/12/2013 12:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes Libra Office and Open Office by that mob called apache. FYI Brian your speech-to-text has misled you. That's libre (ends in E) not libra (ends in A) Andy |
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:22:45 +0000, tony sayer wrote:
In article , PeterC scribeth thus On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:48:17 +0000, The Other Mike wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:51:00 +0000, PeterC wrote: The way LibreOffice is going, MS Office might be kept just in case. What are your concerns about LibreOffice? Just retaining complex formatting - it does mangle a rather fancy .doc table/form that also has loadsa BSA (bits stuck anywhere). Give this one a try, its free this version. Used to have LO and OO on the wife's machine nowt but complaints but none since:)... http://www.kingsoftstore.co.uk/kings...-freeware.html I did try it, thanks, after the first mention. Not too bad, wouldn't open docs done in W97 and didn't like some of the modern formats for docs or spreadsheets. Up until about 2005, Wordpro would open just about anything. Not always intact, but enough to see the contents. It doesn't do the modern formats. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 19/12/2013 10:37, Huge wrote:
If you use Word at work, you can get it for very little money for use at home. I think my copy cost me about £10. https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/...e-program.aspx There are a couple of companies offering a replacement for the Ribbon menus in Word. This one offers a free licence for private use. http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ The other is called Classic Menus and costs around £20. http://www.addintools.com/office2010...lus/index.html |
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"Huge" wrote in message ...
On 2013-12-16, misterroy wrote: I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, I have the new version of Word at work. Once I got used to the new menu layout, it's *way* easier to use than the old version. +1 |
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On Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:23:51 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/12/13 10:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:59:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 16/12/13 13:58, Adrian wrote: Have you looked at LibreOffice? Definitely better. It reads some word documents better than old versions of word do, for sure http://www.libreoffice.org/download Version 4 is a lot better than 3 was. The beauty of Linux is you're not held to ransom by giant corporations. Tons of free applications you just download for nothing in LinuxWorld. Like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc? I'd be willing to bet there are more free apps available for Windows than Linux. But I'll leave you to do the counting. they just run BETTER on Linux .. PDAs used in warehouses seem locked into Windows. I know they get the extortion back from tax or whatever but the loading times on the apps is ridiculous. I haven't seen any with Linux on so I can't say things are better in open source. |
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On Tuesday, 17 December 2013 16:14:44 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Bavaria officially a windows free zone now... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12...ource_project/ But Opera is targeting the US with its NSA friendly Android app: "We only provide savings for HTTP non-encrypted data usage. Opera Max will not save you data on applications that use HTTPS encrypted or other protocols, like User Datagram Protocol. In normal English this means that you won’t save data on encrypted apps." http://blogs.opera.com/news/2013/12/...a-savings-app/ And that's just for starters. |
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On Monday, 16 December 2013 13:54:40 UTC, Jim Hawkins wrote:
I see Microsoft are wanting �110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? Haven't you already got the version you are thinking of updating? Or is this a troll? |
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On 19/12/2013 10:37, Huge wrote:
On 2013-12-16, Davidm wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:54:40 -0000, "Jim Hawkins" wrote: I see Microsoft are wanting £110 for a copy of Word 2013. I want to update my Word 2003 - but not at that price. Can you still get the versions between 2003 and 2013 ? Jim Hawkins "Find someone" who is a student, or teacher and buy Office 365 from somewhere like here for £53: http://www.software4students.co.uk/ If you use Word at work, you can get it for very little money for use at home. I think my copy cost me about £10. https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/...e-program.aspx If you use Word at work, you ****May be able to **** get it for very little money for use at home. This depends entirely on the number of licences your employer has and the support contract they have with MS. My employer used to offer this but as a result of cost savings the MS support contract was downgraded and the employer pulled out of the Home Use Programme. As a result of this anyone who had bought under the HUP received an e mail highlighting one of the T&Cs they had signed up to vis "The licence was only valid whilst you remained with the employer and the employer remained in the HUP". As a result all HUP purchased software should have been removed from home computers. -- Chris |
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On Tuesday, 17 December 2013 23:04:54 UTC, Roger Mills wrote:
I always store my files in .doc rather than .docx format for backwards compatibility. I store my Office Libre stuff as Win 97 ... or is it Word 97? Annoyingly I have to remember to do so repeatedly if I alter it. I used to have to write it like that to get Windows machines to open it. Otherwise it had to go as a text file. It ended up opening as one big paragraphless lump with Microsoft Office but Office Libre and Open Office always behave impeccably doing the return favour. How much space would the NSA need to house the internet? I bet they could cut it by a tenth with little trouble and compress that to another tenth. So how much stuff would they need just for housing files? The other question is that is there such a thing as unbreakable code. Cryptocommnicon discussed once only pads and the kind for throwaway use in WW2. With transworld travel so easily available keeping things secret is much less of an hassle than it would have been back then. |
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On 18/12/2013 21:08, Nightjar wrote:
On 18/12/2013 20:19, Roger Mills wrote: Well, there is government protection for up to 85 grands worth of my money in each independent bank I use. Who will protect me against loss of data, That is what backups are for. The really important bits of my data are on two computers in entirely different locations and on a memory stick that I can hang around my neck. Mine too - all in locations whch I control - not on any 'cloud'! or for the consequences of sensitive data getting into the 'wrong' hands? IMO the cloud is like an email - never put anything in it that you don't mind sharing with the world. Indeed. But how many people understand that? It's far too easy - particularly with Apple devices (which I don't use) to keep all your i(You name it)s synchronised via a 'cloud' which then contains all manner of stuff which no thinking person would wish to share with the world. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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In message , Richard
writes "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2013-12-16, misterroy wrote: I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, I have the new version of Word at work. Once I got used to the new menu layout, it's *way* easier to use than the old version. +1 -1 -- bert |
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In message , Huge
writes On 2013-12-19, bert ] wrote: In message , Richard writes "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2013-12-16, misterroy wrote: I have the new version of Word at work.Do not go near it. The menus are not in a standard format, I have the new version of Word at work. Once I got used to the new menu layout, it's *way* easier to use than the old version. +1 -1 Yes, but you're a ****tard, so that counts as a "+1" Nice to see you rising to the upper reaches of your intellectual capacity yet again. -- bert |
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I've used the ribbon, and I can get by. I haven't used it enough to find
it anything other than a nuisance, but I could grow to love it, I guess. My wife, on the other hand, finds all things technical a real strain, and it would take her ages to adjust. |
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On 21/12/2013 10:48, GB wrote:
I've used the ribbon, and I can get by. I haven't used it enough to find it anything other than a nuisance, but I could grow to love it, I guess. I've used it a lot - and still detest it! My wife, on the other hand, finds all things technical a real strain, and it would take her ages to adjust. +1 -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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