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Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village
lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. -- Bill |
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In message , Bill
writes Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. We rely on some camping gas stoves. However, as they are stored behind the garage electric doors there may be something wrong with my plan! On 30th. October we were due to have our 11kV overheads disconnected and re-routed through the new underground cables. Because of the storm damage down South, all the available jointers were called off for emergency work elsewhere. The job was actually done last Sunday. We now have about 600m of safe to work overhead copper..... -- Tim Lamb |
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On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:22:50 AM UTC, Bill wrote:
Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. -- Bill How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Philip |
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writes Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. Was that from the genny or the frightened villagers trying to batter the door down (clearly the devil's work). -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:38:20 AM UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:22:50 AM UTC, Bill wrote: Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. -- Bill How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Philip ....presumably the hotel in the half with power? |
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On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:38:20 AM UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:22:50 AM UTC, Bill wrote: Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. -- Bill How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Philip If it happens on a night when we have heavy frost, then it could cost you a burst pipe. |
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On Wednesday 20 November 2013 11:38 Road_Hog wrote in uk.d-i-y:
If it happens on a night when we have heavy frost, then it could cost you a burst pipe. Come on - the residual heat in the house would prevent that - it takes a prolongued period of below freezing external temperatures to cool a building enough that the water in the pipes inside will also cool enough to freeze. Even then, you're still unlucky to get a burst pipe - copper and plastic can both take a bit of abuse. Lead OTOH was a bugger for splitting. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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In article , Bill
scribeth thus Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:41:21 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
If it happens on a night when we have heavy frost, then it could cost you a burst pipe. Come on - the residual heat in the house would prevent that - it takes a prolongued period of below freezing external temperatures to cool a building enough that the water in the pipes inside will also cool enough to freeze. Agreed, un lagged in an external draft in a well insulated roof space might be a problem. Even then, you're still unlucky to get a burst pipe - copper and plastic can both take a bit of abuse. Lead OTOH was a bugger for splitting. I must post a photo of the burst bit of 15 mm copper that appeared in the (untterly unheated) garage last winter. Trouble is I can't find it ATM. B-( -- Cheers Dave. |
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Tim Watts wrote:
Come on - the residual heat in the house would prevent that - it takes a prolongued period of below freezing external temperatures to cool a building enough that the water in the pipes inside will also cool enough to freeze. Unless you live in a sooper dooper thermally insulated newbuild house where the pipes are routed around the house on the *outside* of the insulation - as I did a few years ago in deepest Aberdeenshire. After a couple of days with snow piled up outside the pipes were frozzed solid. Nice cosy house, though. jgh |
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Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village
lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. I assume you had all the outside lights on to rub it in. Mike |
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On 20/11/13 13:57, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill scribeth thus Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. down here the 11KV is DEFINITELY a ring. when my 11kv developed a problem they cut off everyone, then isolated the km or so feeding me and one neighbour and gave us a genny each. Massive things. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 20/11/2013 16:37, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:38:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Two people, one night with power, vacancies and decent £150 to £200. Premier Inns are around £60/night/room they are OK but not what I would call "decent". Meal for two in a decent restaurant, not much change from £100. The eatery pubs next to Premier Inns are OK but not what I would call "decent", £30 to £50 for two with drinks. So £300 for the night away. That'll get the transfer switch and wiring. Depending on the size of the genset the next power cut and night away buys that. "Profit" from then on... Our 2 kVA standby genset and extension cables probably cost no more than £200. At some point I'll spend a bit more money either making a lean to shelter for it outside or extending the exhaust through the garage wall so it can be run in there. My 2.8 KVA set was, I think, only £60 from Aldi, or possibly Lidl. It is on wheels so I can use it around the garden and therefore be reasonably sure it will work when really needed. Don't have a changeover switch so have to rely on very strict procedures. Have prominent, and permanent, labels attached to main switch, connecting cable and generator, just in case I am not available (say dead) when the power returns and the house needs to be swirched back. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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" writes How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Philip The genny was free, and I forget about the transfer switch, not a lot though. You're not a hotelier by any chance? -- Bill |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:09:26 +0000, Bill wrote:
How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? The genny was free, and I forget about the transfer switch, not a lot though. You're not a hotelier by any chance? Can I have a free generator, please? |
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In message , tony sayer
writes Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. It was a bit strange Tony. My road has always been on a different feed from the rest of the area, but this time half the village went. In the past the faults have always been with an underground cable, but this time they told me it was an overhead. None nearby so it was presumably before the underground bit. 7.5KVA 2 cylinder Lister diesel. Ex one of our sites that I decommissioned a few years ago. We had the original genny stolen and this was the replacement, it had only done test hours in the few years it was in service, last night was probably the longest it has ever run!! -- Bill |
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writes Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. I assume you had all the outside lights on to rub it in. Yes :-) -- Bill |
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On 20/11/2013 13:57, tony sayer wrote:
Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. Only a single feed to my road. Overhead along the road (3 phase and earth/neutral/star point). Used to be fed overhead (by a bit of wet string) across a field opposite but when the new estate was built across that field (45 years ago) it went underground then up a pole opposite me. The estate is fed underground from the new substation. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:06:12 +0000, Old Codger wrote:
Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. Only a single feed to my road. Overhead along the road (3 phase and earth/neutral/star point). Used to be fed overhead (by a bit of wet string) across a field opposite but when the new estate was built across that field (45 years ago) it went underground then up a pole opposite me. The estate is fed underground from the new substation. Single feed to here, too. The transformer's up a pole on our land, serves six houses and a small farm. The 11kV comes a-wandering through quite a lot of trees which haven't been trimmed in too long - so there's going to be a full day shutdown in the very near future whilst they get busy with the chainsaws. The way the Western Power guys went a bit pale when they looked at how tangled it all is suggests that we're lucky it's not gone off yet. |
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Bill wrote:
In message , tony sayer writes Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. It was a bit strange Tony. My road has always been on a different feed from the rest of the area, but this time half the village went. In the past the faults have always been with an underground cable, but this time they told me it was an overhead. None nearby so it was presumably before the underground bit. 7.5KVA 2 cylinder Lister diesel. Ex one of our sites that I decommissioned a few years ago. We had the original genny stolen and this was the replacement, it had only done test hours in the few years it was in service, last night was probably the longest it has ever run!! Oo, nice. Let me know if you find another one. ;-) Tim |
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In article , Bill
scribeth thus In message , tony sayer writes Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. It was a bit strange Tony. My road has always been on a different feed from the rest of the area, but this time half the village went. In the past the faults have always been with an underground cable, but this time they told me it was an overhead. None nearby so it was presumably before the underground bit. OK... 7.5KVA 2 cylinder Lister diesel. Ex one of our sites that I decommissioned a few years ago. We had the original genny stolen and this was the replacement, it had only done test hours in the few years it was in service, last night was probably the longest it has ever run!! Ah!, That should be dependable when you need it  ....-- Tony Sayer |
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On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:22:50 PM UTC+13, Bill wrote:
Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! I've just finished wiring up the house with an alternative power supply from the garage. Two power points upstairs and two downstairs. A 1500 watt inverter from the car battery or a 2500 watt 4 stroke petrol generator. Next is a 12 volt system running LED lights and emergency spotlights. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
... On 20/11/13 13:57, tony sayer wrote: In article , Bill scribeth thus Well, it finally happened last night at about 19:15. Half the village lost power and we were told it would be 00:30 before it could be restored, overhead line down. They were actually early, it came back on at 00:27, so not bad! Anyway I put the transfer switch over and started the genny. Was I smug? YES!!!! Apart from a dull thudding sound in the background my evening carried on relatively as normal. Visited a few neighbours and boiled a few kettles. Only the one overhead?, I thought that most places like small villages were dual supplied so that power could be fed back through the one line whilst the other was down of is that wishful thunking?.. What's the power of the gennie Bill?, "thudding" seems like a diseasel.. down here the 11KV is DEFINITELY a ring. when my 11kv developed a problem they cut off everyone, then isolated the km or so feeding me and one neighbour and gave us a genny each. Massive things. When the underground 11kV supply to the substation in my back garden failed at 8pm YEDL turned up with what looked like a mobile burger van at 11pm, parked it outside my bedroom window and started the 3 phase 11kV generator up with "extension leads down to the substation" to supply the village. I have no idea if it was noisy as they also spend all night digging the pavement up:-( -- Adam --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 20/11/2013 08:54, Tim Lamb wrote:
On 30th. October we were due to have our 11kV overheads disconnected and re-routed through the new underground cables. Because of the storm damage down South, all the available jointers were called off for emergency work elsewhere. The job was actually done last Sunday. We now have about 600m of safe to work overhead copper..... Hmmmm, now you've posted that, will it be there tomorrow? -- Adrian C |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:33:29 +0000, Bill wrote:
In message , Muddymike writes I assume you had all the outside lights on to rub it in. Yes :-) Don't blame you. I would've too. ;-) At what point does it become more economical to run your own genny than to continue getting ****ed over by the power companies? Say if you get a diesel genny and run it on red (which I imagine is legal) Have we reached that point yet? cd |
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wrote: How mu did you spend on the genny, transfer switch etc? What would it have cost to book into a local decent hotel for the night and a meal out at a nice restaurant? Some people know the price of everything and the value of sweet eff a. |
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writes On 20/11/2013 08:54, Tim Lamb wrote: On 30th. October we were due to have our 11kV overheads disconnected and re-routed through the new underground cables. Because of the storm damage down South, all the available jointers were called off for emergency work elsewhere. The job was actually done last Sunday. We now have about 600m of safe to work overhead copper..... Hmmmm, now you've posted that, will it be there tomorrow? I have an all terrain masted forklift and plenty of pallets to stand on...:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 19:34 Cursitor Doom wrote in uk.d-i-y:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:33:29 +0000, Bill wrote: In message , Muddymike writes I assume you had all the outside lights on to rub it in. Yes :-) Don't blame you. I would've too. ;-) At what point does it become more economical to run your own genny than to continue getting ****ed over by the power companies? Say if you get a diesel genny and run it on red (which I imagine is legal) Have we reached that point yet? cd I would have hung up the external flashing fairly lights and put something brass-band like on the HiFi at full volume! -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:34:03 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom wrote:
Say if you get a diesel genny and run it on red (which I imagine is legal) Yep, only public highway using vehicles need to use road fuel (with a few exceptions). If you have a vehicle that never uses the public highway you can run it on red or claim back the duty paid on petrol (but I think the hoops are many an various). Have we reached that point yet? Haven't looked at the price of red recently but I should imagine it's about 75p/l. That roughly equates to 7.5p/kWHr but a small genset is not going to be very effcient, 30% maybe(*). so make that over 20p/kWhr. (*) If you can keep a decent load on it. Our 2kVA drinks about a litre an hour running the CH, fridge/freezer (dual compressor type) and freezer. I'd imagine the average load is only a couple of hundred watts, that's about 2% ... -- Cheers Dave. |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
I have an all terrain masted forklift and plenty of pallets to stand on...:-) A bit like this chap? http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18782/ or this? http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/13807/ This one didn't even need the forklift http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18291/ OTOH, with a telehandler http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18486/ Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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In message , Chris J Dixon
writes Tim Lamb wrote: I have an all terrain masted forklift and plenty of pallets to stand on...:-) A bit like this chap? http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18782/ or this? http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/13807/ This one didn't even need the forklift http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18291/ OTOH, with a telehandler http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/18486/ The pallet was intended to be jocular:-) Hugely tempting to use a grain bucket for unplanned, temporary access though. H&S have prosecuted managers for allowing employees to use unapproved equipment but I have not yet found cases involving the self employed. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 22/11/2013 09:50, Huge wrote:
On 2013-11-21, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:34:03 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom wrote: Say if you get a diesel genny and run it on red (which I imagine is legal) Yep, only public highway using vehicles need to use road fuel (with a few exceptions). If you have a vehicle that never uses the public highway you can run it on red or claim back the duty paid on petrol 'Fraid not. There is no process by which the duty on petrol can be reclaimed. Are you sure that includes the likes of engine testing? Avgas doesn't attract as much duty as road petrol. |
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:15:30 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:
Avgas doesn't attract as much duty as road petrol. But is significantly more expensive than "road" petrol. |
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On 22/11/2013 11:19, Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:15:30 +0000, Fredxxx wrote: Avgas doesn't attract as much duty as road petrol. But is significantly more expensive than "road" petrol. Maybe, but that is for economies of scale and distribution costs. Nevertheless it does prove that petrol can be purchased with less duty "content" than road petrol. |
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:46:01 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:
Yep, only public highway using vehicles need to use road fuel (with a few exceptions). If you have a vehicle that never uses the public highway you can run it on red or claim back the duty paid on petrol 'Fraid not. There is no process by which the duty on petrol can be reclaimed. Are you sure that includes the likes of engine testing? Avgas doesn't attract as much duty as road petrol. But is significantly more expensive than "road" petrol. Maybe, but that is for economies of scale and distribution costs. Nevertheless it does prove that petrol can be purchased with less duty "content" than road petrol. It does, yes. But that wasn't the question. The question related to reclaiming the duty on "road" petrol. |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:26:00 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:
(*) If you can keep a decent load on it. Our 2kVA drinks about a litre an hour running the CH, fridge/freezer (dual compressor type) and freezer. I'd imagine the average load is only a couple of hundred watts, that's about 2% ... I don't geddit. Your genny is 2kva yet you are running all this off it?? The heating alone is 1kw per rad minimum so what am I missing here? |
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On 22/11/13 09:42, Huge wrote:
On 2013-11-21, ARW wrote: When the underground 11kV supply to the substation in my back garden How is it that it does not surprise me that you have your own private substation?  )All the best people do :-) -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:54:06 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
wrote: I don't geddit. Your genny is 2kva yet you are running all this off it?? The heating alone is 1kw per rad minimum so what am I missing here? The electrical load of the heating system is for the pump and burner motor/controls only. |
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