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Which booster pump for the shower?
Hi folks,
Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down Thanks -- Chris French |
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On 02/10/2013 00:27, chris French wrote:
Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down I installed a Monsoon pump eleven years ago and it is still working fine - had to replace the starting capacitor a couple of years ago but that is the only maintenance it has had. When I installed it the opinion here was that a cheap pump form one of the sheds would only be expected to last a couple of years. Andrew |
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On 02/10/2013 08:41, Andrew May wrote:
On 02/10/2013 00:27, chris French wrote: Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down I installed a Monsoon pump eleven years ago and it is still working fine - had to replace the starting capacitor a couple of years ago but that is the only maintenance it has had. When I installed it the opinion here was that a cheap pump form one of the sheds would only be expected to last a couple of years. Andrew +1 for Stuart Turner, I've had a couple of shed pumps lasting less than five years. I have two in a loft, and have both of them mounted inside small "cold water header tanks" with a drain into the shower tray, in case of leaks. (Had a shed one leak, but never an ST). |
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"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 02/10/2013 08:41, Andrew May wrote: On 02/10/2013 00:27, chris French wrote: Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down I installed a Monsoon pump eleven years ago and it is still working fine - had to replace the starting capacitor a couple of years ago but that is the only maintenance it has had. When I installed it the opinion here was that a cheap pump form one of the sheds would only be expected to last a couple of years. Andrew +1 for Stuart Turner, I've had a couple of shed pumps lasting less than five years. I have two in a loft, and have both of them mounted inside small "cold water header tanks" with a drain into the shower tray, in case of leaks. (Had a shed one leak, but never an ST). I have to ask - what is meant by 'shed pump'? |
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writes "newshound" wrote in message news:IsCdnXtOwL_ifdbPnZ2dnUVZ8hOdnZ2d@brightview. co.uk... +1 for Stuart Turner, I've had a couple of shed pumps lasting less than five years. I have two in a loft, and have both of them mounted inside small "cold water header tanks" with a drain into the shower tray, in case of leaks. (Had a shed one leak, but never an ST). I have to ask - what is meant by 'shed pump'? Generic pattern stuff sold in 'sheds' eg. B&Q. (It took me a couple of minutes to catch on too) -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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chris French wrote:
Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down Thanks How old is your tank? How quick is the reheating? Might be time to think about a mains pressure tank. Tim |
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In article , Max Quad writes "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... +1 for Stuart Turner, I've had a couple of shed pumps lasting less than five years. I have two in a loft, and have both of them mounted inside small "cold water header tanks" with a drain into the shower tray, in case of leaks. (Had a shed one leak, but never an ST). I have to ask - what is meant by 'shed pump'? Generic pattern stuff sold in 'sheds' eg. B&Q. (It took me a couple of minutes to catch on too) Usually grey & yellow, sometimes called 'Showerforce'. Ours only lasted 4-5 years which seems a fairly typical experience. Tim |
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newshound wrote:
Andrew May wrote: the opinion here was that a cheap pump form one of the sheds would only be expected to last a couple of years. +1 for Stuart Turner, I've had a couple of shed pumps lasting less than five years. I had a showerforce (I think) that only lasted 3 years, replaced with a Salamander, no problems in the 7 years since, probably not all-brass like ST were/are, but well made all the same and a little cheaper. |
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-septembe r.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down Thanks How old is your tank? Not sure, though if I rummage in the documentation left by the previous owners I'd probably find something. But it is a relatively modern, foam insulated tank It has obviously been replaced at some point, probably when the boiler was replaced in IIRC 2002. How quick is the reheating? Well, it was poor, as it was a gravity HW system, with a bit of a convoluted pipe run. But I have been in the process of converting it to a pumped system (just need to re-wire up the controls really) So I'm hoping much improved, but we will have to see. Might be time to think about a mains pressure tank. Hmm, did ponder that a bit, but decided to stick with what we have (our mains flowrate doesn't seem that good, and the water main is an old, pretty small bore steel pipe). Maybe replace the tank with a fast recovery one if the current one can't keep up. But our normal usage pattern doesn't demand multiple showers all in a row, and once I've done this, we are going to put an ensuite in, that that will probably have it's own HW tank any -- Chris French |
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On 02/10/2013 00:27, chris French wrote:
Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down Thanks I have a Mita Vigour power shower e.g. it has the pump built in. Very pleased with it, 14 litres/min & the thermostatic control is excellent. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"chris French" wrote in message ... -septembe Might be time to think about a mains pressure tank. Hmm, did ponder that a bit, but decided to stick with what we have (our mains flowrate doesn't seem that good, and the water main is an old, pretty small bore steel pipe). We have a mains pressure HW tank, it's great for keeping vast amounts of hot water available but sometimes the mains pressure drops are a problem (especially mornings, when everyone in the street is running a bath at the same time). it can slow to an alarming degree, so much that the shower is a thin drizzle. I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. |
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Steve Walker wrote:
I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Possible, but not permissible. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote:
"chris French" wrote in message ... -septembe Might be time to think about a mains pressure tank. Hmm, did ponder that a bit, but decided to stick with what we have (our mains flowrate doesn't seem that good, and the water main is an old, pretty small bore steel pipe). We have a mains pressure HW tank, it's great for keeping vast amounts of hot water available but sometimes the mains pressure drops are a problem (especially mornings, when everyone in the street is running a bath at the same time). it can slow to an alarming degree, so much that the shower is a thin drizzle. Apart from sluggardly teenagers, who has a bath in the morning? Is this a local custom? I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Illegal and potentially dangerous as you'd potentially pull the mains pressure lower than the surrounding groundwater pressure which would draw in mud/dirt/sewage through any small leaks that would be otherwise harmless. Tim |
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chris French wrote:
In message -septembe r.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. I will also be using it to pump the supply to the bath and the HW to the basin (cold on the mains), but this is as much because it makes the plumbing easier as anything else (though does mean we can use a mixer on the handbasin which we would prefer) Intended to install in on a concrete slab, with old foam backed carpet/foam sheet or whatever to reduce sound transmission. Dedicated feed from the CW tank, feed from the HW tank via an Essex flange probably So any suggestions for a pump, and any tips for installation? Considering a Stuart Turner Monsoon Twin 2.0 bar at the moment. Quality, reliability, noise levels are probably as important to me as keeping the cost down Thanks How old is your tank? Not sure, though if I rummage in the documentation left by the previous owners I'd probably find something. But it is a relatively modern, foam insulated tank It has obviously been replaced at some point, probably when the boiler was replaced in IIRC 2002. How quick is the reheating? Well, it was poor, as it was a gravity HW system, with a bit of a convoluted pipe run. But I have been in the process of converting it to a pumped system (just need to re-wire up the controls really) So I'm hoping much improved, but we will have to see. That should make a huge difference. Might be time to think about a mains pressure tank. Hmm, did ponder that a bit, but decided to stick with what we have (our mains flowrate doesn't seem that good, and the water main is an old, pretty small bore steel pipe). Maybe replace the tank with a fast recovery one if the current one can't keep up. Fair enough. If your main supply is poor then a storage tank system makes sense. But our normal usage pattern doesn't demand multiple showers all in a row, and once I've done this, we are going to put an ensuite in, that that will probably have it's own HW tank any Before we got our mains pressure tank we used our pump to pump the supply to all taps which worked well. Our en-suite shower was some distance from the tank but still worked well even with a lowly 1.2 bar (iirc) pump. Tim |
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writes Steve Walker wrote: I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Possible, but not permissible. Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. -- Chris French |
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rnal-september.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: In message -septembe r.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: Hi folks, Looking to fit a pump for the shower in the bathroom refurb. Haven't decided on the shower yet, but it will be a standard thermostatic one,with a 'normal' shower head, no extra body jets, or great big watering can heads etc. Gravity water supply, tank will go by the base of the HW tank. snip But our normal usage pattern doesn't demand multiple showers all in a row, and once I've done this, we are going to put an ensuite in, that that will probably have it's own HW tank any Before we got our mains pressure tank we used our pump to pump the supply to all taps which worked well. Our en-suite shower was some distance from the tank but still worked well even with a lowly 1.2 bar (iirc) pump. Well, it's going to be a bit of suck it and see situation. It's a bit of long and tortuous route from the HW tank to where the en suite will be (it's a Victorian house, L shaped, which is basically two buildings joined together. The lofts don't connect as one building is not as tall as the other, nor are the upper floors on the same level. Getting services from one bit to the other is a PITA really ) it might be tedious waiting for HW to arrive, and I don't know how the capacity of the HW tank will be with the extra shower. So planning on both possibilities and will see how we go. -- Chris French |
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chris French wrote:
In message , Chris J Dixon writes Steve Walker wrote: I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Possible, but not permissible. Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. I don't follow the logic of that. I can't see how that prevents negative pressures in the mains supply. Tim |
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-septembe r.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: In message , Chris J Dixon writes Steve Walker wrote: I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Possible, but not permissible. Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. I don't follow the logic of that. I can't see how that prevents negative pressures in the mains supply. No idea, I just had a quick look at the webpage (I only knew about it cos I've been researching shower pumps lately ) Presumably there is more too it, and that was just the simple for the consumer explanation. -- Chris French |
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chris French wrote:
In message -septembe r.org, Tim+ writes chris French wrote: Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. I don't follow the logic of that. I can't see how that prevents negative pressures in the mains supply. No idea, I just had a quick look at the webpage (I only knew about it cos I've been researching shower pumps lately ) Presumably there is more too it, and that was just the simple for the consumer explanation. Seems to me that it might be designed to meet the letter of the regulations, rather than their intent. I guess that it has never previously been practicable to control to a flow rate, so the question has never arisen. I note that their FAQ states that it won't solve the problem of a collapsed main water pipe. I wonder exactly what range of parameters it will actually help with? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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"chris French" wrote in message ... In message , Chris J Dixon writes Steve Walker wrote: I've wondered about the slightly selfish option of installing a boost pump to pull extra volume in from the main supply, not sure if that's possible. Possible, but not permissible. Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. Brilliant - one of those on each hot water tap, and we'll be sorted... :-) |
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On 04/10/2013 23:29, Steve Walker wrote:
Salamander now produce a pump designed for thr situation of poor mains pressure/flow http://www.home-boost.co.uk/ It says it's Water Regs compliant, which seems to mean that it boosts upto a maximum of 12L/min. If the mains flow goes above that it stops boosting. Brilliant - one of those on each hot water tap, and we'll be sorted... :-) Who believes blurb that states "•Say good bye to slow bath fill" when it limits flow to 12l a minute? 12l a minute is slow, its only just enough for a proper shower. |
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Brilliant - one of those on each hot water tap, and we'll be sorted... :-) http://www.home-boost.co.uk/FAQ "Can it go on the hot water pipework? No, the maximum temperature allowed to pass through the pump is 20 degrees. For pumps needed to supply hot water, other pumps in the Salamander range would be more suitable." Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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On 05/10/2013 09:44, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: Brilliant - one of those on each hot water tap, and we'll be sorted... :-) http://www.home-boost.co.uk/FAQ "Can it go on the hot water pipework? No, the maximum temperature allowed to pass through the pump is 20 degrees. For pumps needed to supply hot water, other pumps in the Salamander range would be more suitable." Chris This summer I recorded a mains water temperature of 21 C. Looks like GW has made the product a none starter in the UK. |
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