Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

On 01/10/13 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

Same goes for salt tablets for a water softener.

Green energy prices really hit hard on stuff that is 'all energy, sod
all labour'.

And of course there are green taxes on digging stuff out of the ground
as well.

"Very substantial sums are paid these days for the extraction of
minerals from the ground and it is quite easy to overlook some tax
planning opportunities in this area.

In tax terms, mineral deposits include any natural deposits capable of
being lifted or extracted from the earth and also geothermal energy
which, in this context, is treated as a natural deposit. Some of the
most common minerals which landowners may be able to sell are gravel and
other materials of use to the construction industry, but all other
materials which can be taken from the land are equally classed as
minerals for tax purposes."

http://www.parmentierarthur.co.uk/pd...r08article.pdf


In short, if it is fixed the ground (houses) tax it.
If it moves, tax it.

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/10/2013 11:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/13 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

Same goes for salt tablets for a water softener.

Green energy prices really hit hard on stuff that is 'all energy, sod
all labour'.

And of course there are green taxes on digging stuff out of the ground
as well.

"Very substantial sums are paid these days for the extraction of
minerals from the ground and it is quite easy to overlook some tax
planning opportunities in this area.

In tax terms, mineral deposits include any natural deposits capable of
being lifted or extracted from the earth and also geothermal energy
which, in this context, is treated as a natural deposit. Some of the
most common minerals which landowners may be able to sell are gravel and
other materials of use to the construction industry, but all other
materials which can be taken from the land are equally classed as
minerals for tax purposes."

http://www.parmentierarthur.co.uk/pd...r08article.pdf


In short, if it is fixed the ground (houses) tax it.
If it moves, tax it.


Ok, so I AM out of date :-)

stuart noble wrote:
On 01/10/2013 11:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/13 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

Same goes for salt tablets for a water softener.

Green energy prices really hit hard on stuff that is 'all energy, sod
all labour'.

And of course there are green taxes on digging stuff out of the ground
as well.

"Very substantial sums are paid these days for the extraction of
minerals from the ground and it is quite easy to overlook some tax
planning opportunities in this area.

In tax terms, mineral deposits include any natural deposits capable of
being lifted or extracted from the earth and also geothermal energy
which, in this context, is treated as a natural deposit. Some of the
most common minerals which landowners may be able to sell are gravel and
other materials of use to the construction industry, but all other
materials which can be taken from the land are equally classed as
minerals for tax purposes."

http://www.parmentierarthur.co.uk/pd...r08article.pdf


In short, if it is fixed the ground (houses) tax it.
If it moves, tax it.


Ok, so I AM out of date :-)

In a similar vein, there has been massive inflation in all sorts of
things I only occasionally buy but that don't get measured in the
"basket of goods" that they use to calculate official inflation figures[1].

Seems to be down to companies are playing the "times are hard card" and
getting cleverer at advertising discounts and telling us they're prices
are low, while bumping everything up willynilly. Screwfix went through a
phase where catalogue after catalogue seemed to have a 20% hike across
the board.


[1] Like bloody house prices 10+ years ago while that idiot Brown kept
standing there saying we had really low inflation.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On 01/10/13 15:07, Scott M wrote:
stuart noble wrote:
On 01/10/2013 11:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/13 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

Same goes for salt tablets for a water softener.

Green energy prices really hit hard on stuff that is 'all energy, sod
all labour'.

And of course there are green taxes on digging stuff out of the ground
as well.

"Very substantial sums are paid these days for the extraction of
minerals from the ground and it is quite easy to overlook some tax
planning opportunities in this area.

In tax terms, mineral deposits include any natural deposits capable of
being lifted or extracted from the earth and also geothermal energy
which, in this context, is treated as a natural deposit. Some of the
most common minerals which landowners may be able to sell are gravel and
other materials of use to the construction industry, but all other
materials which can be taken from the land are equally classed as
minerals for tax purposes."

http://www.parmentierarthur.co.uk/pd...r08article.pdf


In short, if it is fixed the ground (houses) tax it.
If it moves, tax it.


Ok, so I AM out of date :-)

In a similar vein, there has been massive inflation in all sorts of
things I only occasionally buy but that don't get measured in the
"basket of goods" that they use to calculate official inflation figures[1].

Seems to be down to companies are playing the "times are hard card" and
getting cleverer at advertising discounts and telling us they're prices
are low, while bumping everything up willynilly. Screwfix went through a
phase where catalogue after catalogue seemed to have a 20% hike across
the board.


[1] Like bloody house prices 10+ years ago while that idiot Brown kept
standing there saying we had really low inflation.

the easiets way to reduce peoples incomes without them knowing is to
create measures that indcrease the cost of gerneral goods - especially
those NOT in the RPI - and divert some of that flow into indirect taxation.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Just as well heartbeats are not taxed then.
Have they taxed pets yet?

Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 01/10/13 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

Same goes for salt tablets for a water softener.

Green energy prices really hit hard on stuff that is 'all energy, sod all
labour'.

And of course there are green taxes on digging stuff out of the ground as
well.

"Very substantial sums are paid these days for the extraction of minerals
from the ground and it is quite easy to overlook some tax
planning opportunities in this area.

In tax terms, mineral deposits include any natural deposits capable of
being lifted or extracted from the earth and also geothermal energy which,
in this context, is treated as a natural deposit. Some of the most common
minerals which landowners may be able to sell are gravel and other
materials of use to the construction industry, but all other materials
which can be taken from the land are equally classed as minerals for tax
purposes."

http://www.parmentierarthur.co.uk/pd...r08article.pdf


In short, if it is fixed the ground (houses) tax it.
If it moves, tax it.

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members
of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded
with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 01/10/2013 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

What did you pay OOI?

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 01/10/2013 13:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/10/2013 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

What did you pay OOI?

Grabbed some patching plaster there for convenience while shopping for
something else, ISTR that even with pensioner discount it would have
been cheaper at Wickes.

On 01/10/2013 13:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/10/2013 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

What did you pay OOI?


I didn't. Just happened to notice the prices when buying something else

"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a car
load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth shopping
around for 25kg bags?

B&Q is an expensive hole.
Ring round a few local builders merchants.
Do NOT visit, if you ring they know you are ringing round and they need to
come up with a good price.
When you turn up to collect don't look too affluent.

If you have a lot of work, set up an account. They love accounts. They
think they have you by the ********.
But ALWAYS ask for a price before you order anything the first time, even if
you have an account.
That price goes on your record. They will let you know any special offers
too.

If you can get to the minimum order, delivery is free. (Find out what it is)
After this you just pick up the phone and they will deliver.
Save a fortune in petrol and f***g about. Wonderful, some othe bugger does
all the heavy lifting..

On 01/10/2013 19:37, harryagain wrote:
"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a car
load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth shopping
around for 25kg bags?

B&Q is an expensive hole.
Ring round a few local builders merchants.
Do NOT visit, if you ring they know you are ringing round and they need to
come up with a good price.
When you turn up to collect don't look too affluent.

If you have a lot of work, set up an account. They love accounts. They
think they have you by the ********.
But ALWAYS ask for a price before you order anything the first time, even if
you have an account.
That price goes on your record. They will let you know any special offers
too.

If you can get to the minimum order, delivery is free. (Find out what it is)
After this you just pick up the phone and they will deliver.
Save a fortune in petrol and f***g about. Wonderful, some othe bugger does
all the heavy lifting..



I'll check but, for half a dozen bags? Last thing I want is leftover sand

On 01/10/2013 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

I normally find for basic materials like that Wickes is pretty good -
either that or our local independent wood merchant strangely.

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Cheers,

John.

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On 02/10/2013 09:48, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/10/2013 11:00, stuart noble wrote:
Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

I normally find for basic materials like that Wickes is pretty good -
either that or our local independent wood merchant strangely.


Actually our B&Q never could organise the heavy stuff. Fork lifts tore
half the bags and the customers tore the rest by dragging them off the
racks. The place was always a mess.
I'll try Wickes but it's not quite so local for me

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:00:53 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:

Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

It's the cost of energy. Blame Ed, but also blame Thatcher for firing the
starting gun in the first place.

--

On 2 Oct 2013 09:39:09 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2013-10-02, The Other Mike wrote:
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:00:53 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:

Horrified at the prices for sand and cement at B&Q yesterday. Am I just
out of date or has there been a 50% increase nationally? I just need a
car load at a time so not in the bulk discount area. Is it worth
shopping around for 25kg bags?

It's the cost of energy. Blame Ed, but also blame Thatcher for firing the
starting gun in the first place.

As soon as anyone blames Thatcher for anything, you can be certain they're
talking ********.

As soon as anyone leaps to defend Thatcher you can be certain they're talking
********.


--

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:15:42 +0100, The Other Mike wrote:

As soon as anyone blames Thatcher for anything, you can be certain
they're talking ********.

As soon as anyone leaps to defend Thatcher you can be certain they're
talking ********.

Because, of course, "leaping to defend" is the only alternative to blame.
A quarter of a century later.