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harryagain wrote:
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I prefer to use the self checkouts, if possible. Although Lidl don't
yet have them. Less boring than watching someone else doing it. And
usually, less of a queue. But I do tend to shop little and often -
rather than a once a week large one.
The thing with self checkouts is that it relieves someone of a job.

As you are doing by using a self service supermarket. You need to use the
corner shop for maximum employment. Of one family, at least. ;-)

Personally I'd love to see manned checkouts no longer needed. It must be
the most boring job on the planet.


People need to be kept occupied or they get into all kinds of mischief.

Sometimes true.

Checkout is OK for the thick ones.

That they have to do it is a consequense of earlier idleness.
I don't feel sorry for them. Everyone makes their own future and has to live
with it.


Not true, in my experience.

Not all people have the capability to be nuclear scientists. Not all
people have the patience to sit at a till all day scanning stuff and
listening to the beeps. A fair bit of the difference is innate, and I
know of one extremely bright couple who adopted two children at less
than six months old from a mother whom the authorities would not allow
to bring them up for a number of reasons. The children are noticeably
slower in school than their peers, so intelligence is *not* all to do
with upbringing.

They will be pushed gently to their limits, but those limits may involve
them being checkout operators or fork lift truck drivers. Dad is a
research chemist, and Mum has an MA. On the other hand, the way they're
going, one of them may end up being a professional athlete, if the
initial promise is fulfilled.

In what way is this their choice, as you imply? Bad choice of
(biological) parents?


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harryagain wrote:
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bm wrote:
I prefer to use the self checkouts, if possible. Although Lidl don't
yet have them. Less boring than watching someone else doing it. And
usually, less of a queue. But I do tend to shop little and often -
rather than a once a week large one.
The thing with self checkouts is that it relieves someone of a job.
As you are doing by using a self service supermarket. You need to use
the
corner shop for maximum employment. Of one family, at least. ;-)

Personally I'd love to see manned checkouts no longer needed. It must be
the most boring job on the planet.


People need to be kept occupied or they get into all kinds of mischief.

Sometimes true.

Checkout is OK for the thick ones.

That they have to do it is a consequense of earlier idleness.
I don't feel sorry for them. Everyone makes their own future and has
to live with it.


Not true, in my experience.

Not all people have the capability to be nuclear scientists. Not all
people have the patience to sit at a till all day scanning stuff and
listening to the beeps. A fair bit of the difference is innate, and I
know of one extremely bright couple who adopted two children at less
than six months old from a mother whom the authorities would not allow
to bring them up for a number of reasons. The children are noticeably
slower in school than their peers, so intelligence is *not* all to do
with upbringing.

They will be pushed gently to their limits, but those limits may involve
them being checkout operators or fork lift truck drivers. Dad is a
research chemist, and Mum has an MA. On the other hand, the way they're
going, one of them may end up being a professional athlete, if the
initial promise is fulfilled.

In what way is this their choice, as you imply? Bad choice of
(biological) parents?


I often wonder whether it's all over by the age of 6 months. If the
child has been ignored till then, the rest is all downhill, and they
don't catch up
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If you want to see a *really* fast checkout operator, wait until the
manager of my local Aldi gets on a till. He sometimes has to scan stuff
twice because the system can't keep up with him.

We have a couple who are phenomenal in our local Lidl.

When I made a joke about a special speed training school, ours just
smiled....


Remember before scanners? Aldidl staff tapped in the price of everything,
bloody amazing.




Dunno about your lot but out here Aldi revolutionized scanners They had
a long belt, a far superior scanning system (wider barcodes that were
huge) the staff sat, all other shops they stood,things just flew past
the scanners with rarely a hiccup,other shops stopped frequently and had
to enter codes manually.
Now all the other supermarkets have adopted the same markings of barcodes.
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On 08/08/2013 19:08, John Williamson wrote:
If you want to see a *really* fast checkout operator, wait until the
manager of my local Aldi gets on a till. He sometimes has to scan
stuff
twice because the system can't keep up with him.

We have a couple who are phenomenal in our local Lidl.

When I made a joke about a special speed training school, ours just
smiled....

Remember before scanners? Aldidl staff tapped in the price of
everything,
bloody amazing.


Pah. There was a lady in the CoOp in Banstead in the 70's who went like
greased lightening on an electro-mechanical till (run pillar buttons,
push
10's and 1's and fraction (and £s if necessary - rare then) and hit the
big
black L shaped enter knob. Had avague feeling she had to push another
button for product group - not sure.

Then she had to dial out the green shield stamps - the funny little
machine
that dispensed those fascinated me.

Anyone remmeber when Woolworths had change dispensers at the far end of
the
checkout - somehow linked to the till so it dispensed the correct
coinage?

Anyone remember pneumatic tubes for cash or before that the wire across
the cieling that "pinged" a container of cash and change back and forth
across the room?


Marsh & Baxters butchers used wires to one central "money person". Maybe
they couldn't trust the staff


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Anyone remmeber when Woolworths had change dispensers at the far end of the
checkout - somehow linked to the till so it dispensed the correct coinage?



They seem to have died out here for some reason but are still
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I often wonder whether it's all over by the age of 6 months. If the
child has been ignored till then, the rest is all downhill, and they
don't catch up


In this case, one of them was adopted almost at birth.

It has been long established that potential intelligence has a genetic
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On 08/08/2013 19:08, John Williamson wrote:
If you want to see a *really* fast checkout operator, wait until
the manager of my local Aldi gets on a till. He sometimes has to
scan stuff twice because the system can't keep up with him.

We have a couple who are phenomenal in our local Lidl.

When I made a joke about a special speed training school, ours just
smiled....

Remember before scanners? Aldidl staff tapped in the price of
everything,
bloody amazing.

Pah. There was a lady in the CoOp in Banstead in the 70's who went
like greased lightening on an electro-mechanical till (run pillar
buttons, push 10's and 1's and fraction (and £s if necessary - rare
then) and hit the big black L shaped enter knob. Had avague feeling
she had to push another button for product group - not sure.

Then she had to dial out the green shield stamps - the funny little
machine that dispensed those fascinated me.

Anyone remmeber when Woolworths had change dispensers at the far end
of the checkout - somehow linked to the till so it dispensed the
correct coinage?

Anyone remember pneumatic tubes for cash or before that the wire across
the cieling that "pinged" a container of cash and change back and forth
across the room?


Marsh & Baxters butchers used wires to one central "money person". Maybe
they couldn't trust the staff


The reason was hygiene.

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Anyone remmeber when Woolworths had change dispensers at the far end of
the checkout - somehow linked to the till so it dispensed the correct
coinage?



They seem to have died out here for some reason but are still
commonplace in the USA.


they exist at self serve checkouts and railway ticket machines - but
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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:22:38 PM UTC+1, John Williamson wrote:
polygonum wrote:

On 08/08/2013 19:08, John Williamson wrote:


If you want to see a *really* fast checkout operator, wait until the


manager of my local Aldi gets on a till. He sometimes has to scan stuff


twice because the system can't keep up with him.




We have a couple who are phenomenal in our local Lidl.




When I made a joke about a special speed training school, ours just
smiled....


maybe it wasn't that funny in reality?

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Personally I'd love to see manned checkouts no longer needed. It must be
the most boring job on the planet.


People need to be kept occupied or they get into all kinds of mischief.


Checkout is OK for the thick ones.


That's where you are wrong. It doesn't need a genius, but isn't a suitable
job for someone with less than average intelligence.

That they have to do it is a consequense of earlier idleness. I don't
feel sorry for them. Everyone makes their own future and has to live
with it.


I feel sorry for you. Being so out of touch with reality.

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On Friday 09 August 2013 10:28 charles wrote in uk.d-i-y:

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On 08/08/2013 21:25, Tim Watts wrote:


Anyone remmeber when Woolworths had change dispensers at the far end of
the checkout - somehow linked to the till so it dispensed the correct
coinage?



They seem to have died out here for some reason but are still
commonplace in the USA.


they exist at self serve checkouts and railway ticket machines - but
integrated into the machine. They are more secure that way.


Not really the same thing - a machine that accepts money automatically is
able to dispense change?

The woolies ones were to shave a few seconds off the till operator digging
around in the draw for cash.

Seemed a bit pointless...
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Anyone remember pneumatic tubes for cash or before that the wire across
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cieling that "pinged" a container of cash and change back and forth
across the room?


Many supermarkets and B&Qs still use those.

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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:38:23 PM UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
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polygonum wrote:


On 08/08/2013 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


It takes several pleasant checkout persons to undo the harm done by one


grumpy one. Here, at least. So I'd rather not bother. I can get


annoyed at


a machine but give it no more thought, other than at the time.




They have flashing lights. Four out of nine were red. (Actually I might


be wrong, one or two might be off.)




And always some are card-only, some cash-only. And that is difficult to


see from afar.




Yes, that's annoying, that is.




The most recent checkout operator to really annoy me was in Waitrose.


She was extraordinarily slow and made no effort to be pleasant,


apologise for the delay (almost all her fault), or even appear to give a


damn about anyone. Unusual at any of the supermarkets I use. (There is


one Lidl person who obviously doesn't want to be there, but she is at


least efficient.)




If you want to see a *really* fast checkout operator, wait until the


manager of my local Aldi gets on a till. He sometimes has to scan stuff


twice because the system can't keep up with him.




Or go to the US of A. Their slowest checkout operator beats any UK one.


My annoyance is waiting for packing before the next customer can be scanned..
And why did they remove the conveyer on the other side of the till so all the shopping piles up in tiny area ? To make you pack faster ?
The checkouts of shops we went to in the states had a hinged bar that could be moved into two positions, so after scanning the shopping would go into one of two bays. The first shopper could pack from one bay whilst the other bay was filled with the next shopper's goods. Never understood why that is not done here ? To make sure the operators get a break between shoppers ?
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massive snip

My annoyance is waiting for packing before the next customer can be scanned.

And why did they remove the conveyer on the other side of the till so all the shopping piles up in tiny area ? To make you pack faster ?

The checkouts of shops we went to in the states had a hinged bar that could be moved into two positions, so after scanning the shopping would go into one of two bays. The first shopper could pack from one bay whilst the other bay was filled with the next shopper's goods. Never understood why that is not done here ? To make sure the operators get a break between shoppers ?


this was in UK when I were a lad "Presto" IIRC - late 70s - they even had US style thick brown paper bags to pack into - for a few years at least...

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Don't you lot have self scanning in the UK?


We have something called EPOS (Electronic ****ing-Off System). The principle is that you pass a bar-coded item over its scanner and it then repeats the phrase "Unexpected item in bagging area. Please wait for assistance," until you get the urge to go on a killing spree. It's also the reason we don't have gun counters in UK supermarkets.




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My annoyance is waiting for packing before the next customer can be
scanned.


I always just pile it back into the trolley, and bag things up at the car.

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Aldi checkout staff are like lightening.


To a point they are too fast, you have to literally throw your shopping into


the trolley.



If they try that with me I deliberately slow down


Aldi and Lidl are great places to practise you spatial reasoning.

I grab a box when I go in, put the shopping on the conveyor in a way that I know will pack efficiently and, as they zip it through the till, I zip it in the box. It's been close once or twice but they haven't beaten me yet.



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My annoyance is waiting for packing before the next customer can be
scanned. And why did they remove the conveyer on the other side of the
till so all the shopping piles up in tiny area ? To make you pack faster ?
The checkouts of shops we went to in the states had a hinged bar that
could be moved into two positions, so after scanning the shopping would go
into one of two bays. The first shopper could pack from one bay whilst the
other bay was filled with the next shopper's goods. Never understood why
that is not done here ? To make sure the operators get a break between
shoppers ? Simon.


ah yes - another thing we used to have here that seems to have
disappeared... The US did not have a monopoly on this - it was at many
supermarkets until not *that* long ago...


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I'm really glad so many hate the self checkouts and prefer to queue up
waiting for a human. Lets me get out of the supermarket more quickly - my
main aim.


I often find the self checkouts slower.
Next time your there do a check as I dio. When tehy say the self checkouts are quicker, loko at teh last person in teh line and then see if you can get through the manned checkout befor

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I prefer to use the self checkouts, if possible. Although Lidl don't
yet have them. Less boring than watching someone else doing it. And
usually, less of a queue. But I do tend to shop little and often -
rather than a once a week large one.


The thing with self checkouts is that it relieves someone of a job.


As you are doing by using a self service supermarket. You need to use the
corner shop for maximum employment. Of one family, at least. ;-)

Personally I'd love to see manned checkouts no longer needed. It must be
the most boring job on the planet.


People need to be kept occupied or they get into all kinds of mischief.

Checkout is OK for the thick ones.

That they have to do it is a consequense of earlier idleness.
I don't feel sorry for them. Everyone makes their own future and has to live
with it.



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I was in discussion with someone
last week from the Dementia Action Alliance who is trying to educate
supermarket staff on the symptoms of dementia and hopefully persuade
some to open slow-go lanes.


That'll be Sainsburys. A dire depressing place plastered in orange where they
have no concept of getting the customer processed effectively and the cash
securely in the till. Getting them out of the door freeing more space in the
car park and more space for others to shop seems a very alien concept. Having
queues blocking up the aisles with 95% of checkouts closed is their usual
standard of service.


Very rarely have a queue of more than 2 people at any till in our local
Sainsburys.
My pet hate is people with trolleys who use the self check-outs.
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I'm really glad so many hate the self checkouts and prefer to queue up
waiting for a human. Lets me get out of the supermarket more quickly
- my main aim.


I often find the self checkouts slower.


I don't.

Next time your there do a check
as I dio. When tehy say the self checkouts are quicker, loko at teh last
person in teh line and then see if you can get through the manned
checkout befor


At the time of day I shop, there's usually a self checkout free. Any time
I use a manned one I always get stuck behind someone using lots of
discount vouchers - which they spend ages finding - and then spend even
more time trying to find the credit card they've decided to use. Often
after the first one tried is rejected. And only after all that do they
start bagging up. The actual checkout staff are usually quick enough. When
they don't decide to chat to the person before me.

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Very rarely have a queue of more than 2 people at any till in our local
Sainsburys.


I know one like that too. Bet it closes shortly.

My pet hate is people with trolleys who use the self check-outs.


Why? If they are before you, what's the problem?

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You fitted 3 of them or did eternal september have a fit and install
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I grab a box when I go in, put the shopping on the conveyor in a way that I know will pack efficiently and, as they zip it through the till, I zip it in the box. It's been close once or twice but they haven't beaten me yet.


Bingo. Been working for me for years, has that.


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I put the bar in Aldi at an angle to see if it arrives at the
checkout
at the same angle, it almost never does,someone just has to
straighten it.



LOL... what other little things do you do to see how the world reacts
to your personal games?


So it is only me that plays the "take a trolley with shopping already in it
(easy to do) and see if you can put everything in that trolley back on the
supermarket shelves" game?


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alo wrote:
I put the bar in Aldi at an angle to see if it arrives at the
checkout
at the same angle, it almost never does,someone just has to
straighten it.


LOL... what other little things do you do to see how the world
reacts to your personal games?


So it is only me that plays the "take a trolley with shopping
already in it (easy to do) and see if you can put everything in that
trolley back on the supermarket shelves" game?


Jew means sumone else's trolley?


Yes.

Any trolley "owned" by a fat **** blocking the aisle whilst chatting to her
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Tim Streater wrote:
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alo wrote:
I put the bar in Aldi at an angle to see if it arrives at the
checkout at the same angle, it almost never does,someone just has
to straighten it.


LOL... what other little things do you do to see how the world
reacts to your personal games?

So it is only me that plays the "take a trolley with shopping
already in it (easy to do) and see if you can put everything in that
trolley back on the supermarket shelves" game?

Jew means sumone else's trolley?


Yes.

Any trolley "owned" by a fat **** blocking the aisle whilst chatting to
her mate (often spermarket staff) and paying no notice to their
surroundings.


What is happening to your trolley while this is going on?


It's the way you get an empty trolley for yourself...

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Any trolley "owned" by a fat **** blocking the aisle whilst chatting to
her mate (often spermarket staff) and paying no notice to their
surroundings.


Or replace it with a trolley filled with lettuce and weight loss products as
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Very rarely have a queue of more than 2 people at any till in our local
Sainsburys.


I know one like that too. Bet it closes shortly.

My pet hate is people with trolleys who use the self check-outs.


Why? If they are before you, what's the problem?

Self check outs are for quickies just a few items and go - IMO
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Any trolley "owned" by a fat **** blocking the aisle whilst chatting
to her mate (often spermarket staff) and paying no notice to their
surroundings.


Or replace it with a trolley filled with lettuce and weight loss
products as see if it takes the hint ;-


That's the other game I play. Adding something to someones trolley without
them noticing or just removing one item.

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So it is only me that plays the "take a trolley with shopping already in it
(easy to do) and see if you can put everything in that trolley back on the
supermarket shelves" game?


Too much hassle.
I just pop something unexpected and hopefully slightly embarrassing
into the odd trolley.
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Very rarely have a queue of more than 2 people at any till in our
local Sainsburys.


I know one like that too. Bet it closes shortly.

My pet hate is people with trolleys who use the self check-outs.


Why? If they are before you, what's the problem?

Self check outs are for quickies just a few items and go - IMO


You make the rules for others to follow, do you?

If the store wants to make them x items or fewer, they can put up a sign
saying just that. Otherwise I'll use any checkout I want to.

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Very rarely have a queue of more than 2 people at any till in our
local Sainsburys.

I know one like that too. Bet it closes shortly.

My pet hate is people with trolleys who use the self check-outs.

Why? If they are before you, what's the problem?

Self check outs are for quickies just a few items and go - IMO


You make the rules for others to follow, do you?

If the store wants to make them x items or fewer, they can put up a sign
saying just that. Otherwise I'll use any checkout I want to.


I was in S'bury's yesterday and there the self serve said "baskets only"

But I only had a trolley because I was buying a bathroom mirror and wanted
to carry it around the shop safely. The rest of my shopping was 6 items in
total.

Bit silly really

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Self check outs are for quickies just a few items and go - IMO


You make the rules for others to follow, do you?

If the store wants to make them x items or fewer, they can put up a
sign saying just that. Otherwise I'll use any checkout I want to.


I was in S'bury's yesterday and there the self serve said "baskets only"


I've seen some where the entrance to the self serve area is 'taped' in
such a way to make it difficult to get a trolley through. But if it did
say baskets only I'd probably observe that. The supermarket I use the most
doesn't say.

But I only had a trolley because I was buying a bathroom mirror and
wanted to carry it around the shop safely. The rest of my shopping was
6 items in total.


Bit silly really


Well, yes. Quite easy to have less in a trolley than a basket. Number of
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So it is only me that plays the "take a trolley with shopping
already in it (easy to do) and see if you can put everything in that
trolley back on the supermarket shelves" game?


Too much hassle.
I just pop something unexpected and hopefully slightly embarrassing
into the odd trolley.


What items would you call "slightly embarrassing"?

Salad in a fat *******s trolley?


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On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:35:46 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

One problem these machines have is you have to remember to use one which
has enough space on the output weighing part. Ours had enough space for
one bag so I lifted it off and put it on the floor. It couldn't cope
with that.


Stupid machine... If you have a trolly full I reckon they are slower
than a normal checkout, they are certainly harder work, You have to
scan each item, shove it in a bag, scan the next etc, pay, then lift
everything off the landing stage back into the trolley. With normal
checkout you stack the conveyor, then move through checkout, operator
scans as you pack and reload trolly, then just pay and go.

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On Friday, August 16, 2013 1:57:11 AM UTC+1, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I just pop something unexpected and hopefully slightly embarrassing
into the odd trolley.


I was slightly surprised to see that Tesco (a) sell vibrators (or some form of sex toy branded by Dimplex), and (b) had them in the reduced/end-of-line section.

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I was slightly surprised to see that Tesco (a) sell vibrators
(or some form of sex toy branded by Dimplex), and (b) had
them in the reduced/end-of-line section.


s/Dimplex/Durex

:-)

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:26:39 -0700, spuorgelgoog wrote:

On Friday, August 16, 2013 1:57:11 AM UTC+1, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I just pop something unexpected and hopefully slightly embarrassing
into the odd trolley.


I was slightly surprised to see that Tesco (a) sell vibrators (or some
form of sex toy branded by Dimplex), and (b) had them in the
reduced/end-of-line section.


Really kinky. Oil filled ones presumably...

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